Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:0f4b93e2-d8fa-edbd-e1ff-502101839...@rhsoft.net... well, you always ignore anything but your opinion and the next step is calling people "except if you are a nit-picking, anal retentive OCD sufferer" because they don't follow your argumentation as it happened in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 07.11.2017 um 12:53 schrieb Tony Marston: It should also be obvious to every first year student that if a program contains code that is rarely or never used then carrying around the "weight" of that code has a detrimental effect but you don#t get the basics right: you need to measure if

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

"Alice Wonder" wrote in message news:572d0e30-7214-0842-6624-7647514b9...@librelamp.com... On 11/07/2017 02:21 AM, Tony Marston wrote: Some things are so obvious that they do not need scientific proof. Some things that appear obvious are incorrect, especially when bias enters. Scientific

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

On 11/07/2017 03:43 AM, Tony Marston wrote: Irrelevant analogy. If you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_instruction_set_computer you will see the advantage of getting rid of complex and specialised instructions and concentrating on simple and general instructions. You will see

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

"Stephen Reay" wrote in message news:562e5c38-b46b-449d-8676-8699b59dd...@koalephant.com... On 7 Nov 2017, at 17:21, Tony Marston wrote: I was around when that happened, so I know what I'm talking about. I'm not going to get into the whole "it can be done in

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

> On 7 Nov 2017, at 17:21, Tony Marston wrote: > > I was around when that happened, so I know what I'm talking about. I'm not going to get into the whole "it can be done in userland why do we need it in core" debate, because honestly that's a silly discussion to have

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

On 11/07/2017 02:21 AM, Tony Marston wrote: Some things are so obvious that they do not need scientific proof. Some things that appear obvious are incorrect, especially when bias enters. Scientific proof brings human bias out of the equation, or at least reduces it. For example, in a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 07.11.2017 um 11:21 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:748869f7-13bb-5bdd-6fec-399a33b79...@rhsoft.net... Everybody knows that carrying around code which is either rarely used or not used at all is an overhead everybody knows that claims without measure the impact are worthless

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:748869f7-13bb-5bdd-6fec-399a33b79...@rhsoft.net... Am 06.11.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:55fb932f-7f61-33eb-1fd9-aa425bc6f...@rhsoft.net... Am 05.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 06.11.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:55fb932f-7f61-33eb-1fd9-aa425bc6f...@rhsoft.net... Am 05.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:d70cc49d-c397-3f09-d08d-b79b31014...@rhsoft.net... it depends on the implementation and just beause you say

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:55fb932f-7f61-33eb-1fd9-aa425bc6f...@rhsoft.net... Am 05.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:d70cc49d-c397-3f09-d08d-b79b31014...@rhsoft.net... it depends on the implementation and just beause you say so does not prove anything and even if you

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 05.11.2017 um 11:24 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:d70cc49d-c397-3f09-d08d-b79b31014...@rhsoft.net... it depends on the implementation and just beause you say so does not prove anything and even if you need to measure, optimize and make decisions based on technical facts -

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:d70cc49d-c397-3f09-d08d-b79b31014...@rhsoft.net... Am 04.11.2017 um 10:18 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:941fd347-4a17-78b6-1bd7-4a5519aa7...@rhsoft.net... Am 03.11.2017 um 11:33 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 04.11.2017 um 10:18 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:941fd347-4a17-78b6-1bd7-4a5519aa7...@rhsoft.net... Am 03.11.2017 um 11:33 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022e...@rhsoft.net... Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston: "Kalle

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:941fd347-4a17-78b6-1bd7-4a5519aa7...@rhsoft.net... Am 03.11.2017 um 11:33 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022e...@rhsoft.net... Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston: "Kalle Sommer Nielsen" wrote in message I fail to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 03.11.2017 um 11:33 schrieb Tony Marston: wrote in message news:6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022e...@rhsoft.net... Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston: "Kalle Sommer Nielsen"  wrote in message I fail to see how it offers "negative benefits to the vast number of programmers who

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

wrote in message news:6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022e...@rhsoft.net... Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston: "Kalle Sommer Nielsen" wrote in message I fail to see how it offers "negative benefits to the vast number of programmers who are happy with the language as it currently

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston: "Kalle Sommer Nielsen"  wrote in message I fail to see how it offers "negative benefits to the vast number of programmers who are happy with the language as it currently exists", I If it's put into the language then it affects 100% of the users,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

"Kalle Sommer Nielsen" wrote in message news:CAJW__o3QJOe6G3ybmBcoCU=fcadjzacgbktijrbm3rs8q0h...@mail.gmail.com... Hi Tony 2017-10-31 11:35 GMT+01:00 Tony Marston : This strikes me as being nothing more than a micro-optimisation that does nothing but pander to the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

Hi Tony 2017-10-31 11:35 GMT+01:00 Tony Marston : > This strikes me as being nothing more than a micro-optimisation that does > nothing but pander to the laziness of certain programmers. Instead of having > to write a few lines of code to validate something they want the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7

On 10/31/2017 3:35 AM, Tony Marston wrote: ""Michal Harezlak""  wrote in message news:caltzvrkflncw4+d-fu4cp2rmoscf77vzfz4f1cuvp3vymzk...@mail.gmail.com... Hallo, I would like to create a RFC for PHP 7, but the same RFC was created and declined 3 years ago for PHP 5.4. PHP 7 support much