Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 07:31:47PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote: > > > Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The > > > main > > > point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code effectively > > > *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in emulated cases > > > like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both try to > > > bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The aspect which > > > might warrant clarification is that there's no combination of supported > > > drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could appear in the same > > > system - even if you tried to contrive something by emulating, say, VT-d > > > (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you could still only describe > > > one > > > or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. > > > > Right, and that is still something we need to protect against with > > this ops check. VFIO is not checking that the bus's are the same > > before attempting to re-use a domain. > > > > So it is actually functional and does protect against systems with > > multiple iommu drivers on different busses. > > But as above, which systems *are* those? IDK it seems wrong that the system today will allow different buses to have different IOMMU drivers and not provide a trivial protection check. > FWIW my iommu/bus dev branch has got as far as the final bus ops removal and > allowing multiple driver registrations, and before it allows that, it does > now have the common attach check that I sketched out in the previous > discussion of this. If you want to put the check in your series that seems fine too, as long as we get it in the end. > It's probably also noteworthy that domain->ops is no longer the same > domain->ops that this code was written to check, and may now be different > between domains from the same driver. Yes, the vfio check is not good anymore. Jason ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On 2022-06-24 14:16, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 08:54:45AM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote: On 2022-06-16 23:23, Nicolin Chen wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed-driver systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So remove it. It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual platform is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual VT-d or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed out) there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of simply saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit code to reject such configuration. 😊 Will edit this part. Thanks! Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The main point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code effectively *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in emulated cases like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both try to bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The aspect which might warrant clarification is that there's no combination of supported drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could appear in the same system - even if you tried to contrive something by emulating, say, VT-d (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you could still only describe one or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. Right, and that is still something we need to protect against with this ops check. VFIO is not checking that the bus's are the same before attempting to re-use a domain. So it is actually functional and does protect against systems with multiple iommu drivers on different busses. But as above, which systems *are* those? Everything that's on my radar would have drivers all competing for the platform bus - Intel and s390 are somewhat the odd ones out in that respect, but are also non-issues as above. FWIW my iommu/bus dev branch has got as far as the final bus ops removal and allowing multiple driver registrations, and before it allows that, it does now have the common attach check that I sketched out in the previous discussion of this. It's probably also noteworthy that domain->ops is no longer the same domain->ops that this code was written to check, and may now be different between domains from the same driver. Thanks, Robin. ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 08:54:45AM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote: > On 2022-06-16 23:23, Nicolin Chen wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: > > > > > > The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed-driver > > > > systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So > > > > remove it. > > > > > > It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual > > > platform > > > is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual > > > VT-d > > > or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed > > > out) > > > there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of > > > simply > > > saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit > > > code > > > to reject such configuration. 😊 > > > > Will edit this part. Thanks! > > Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The main > point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code effectively > *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in emulated cases > like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both try to > bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The aspect which > might warrant clarification is that there's no combination of supported > drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could appear in the same > system - even if you tried to contrive something by emulating, say, VT-d > (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you could still only describe one > or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. Right, and that is still something we need to protect against with this ops check. VFIO is not checking that the bus's are the same before attempting to re-use a domain. So it is actually functional and does protect against systems with multiple iommu drivers on different busses. Jason ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 03:50:22AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: > External email: Use caution opening links or attachments > > > > From: Robin Murphy > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:55 PM > > > > On 2022-06-16 23:23, Nicolin Chen wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: > > > > > >>> The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed- > > driver > > >>> systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So > > >>> remove it. > > >> > > >> It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual > > platform > > >> is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual > > >> VT- > > d > > >> or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed > > >> out) > > >> there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of > > simply > > >> saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit > > code > > >> to reject such configuration. 😊 > > > > > > Will edit this part. Thanks! > > > > Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The > > main point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code > > effectively *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in > > emulated cases like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both > > try to bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The > > aspect which might warrant clarification is that there's no combination > > of supported drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could > > appear in the same system - even if you tried to contrive something by > > emulating, say, VT-d (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you > > could still only describe one or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. > > > > This explanation is much clearer! thanks. Thanks +1 I've also updated the commit log. ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
RE: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
> From: Robin Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:55 PM > > On 2022-06-16 23:23, Nicolin Chen wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: > > > >>> The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed- > driver > >>> systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So > >>> remove it. > >> > >> It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual > platform > >> is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual > >> VT- > d > >> or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed out) > >> there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of > simply > >> saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit > code > >> to reject such configuration. 😊 > > > > Will edit this part. Thanks! > > Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The > main point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code > effectively *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in > emulated cases like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both > try to bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The > aspect which might warrant clarification is that there's no combination > of supported drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could > appear in the same system - even if you tried to contrive something by > emulating, say, VT-d (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you > could still only describe one or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. > This explanation is much clearer! thanks. ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On 2022-06-16 23:23, Nicolin Chen wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed-driver systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So remove it. It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual platform is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual VT-d or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed out) there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of simply saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit code to reject such configuration. 😊 Will edit this part. Thanks! Oh, physical platforms with mixed IOMMUs definitely exist already. The main point is that while bus_set_iommu still exists, the core code effectively *does* prevent multiple drivers from registering - even in emulated cases like the example above, virtio-iommu and VT-d would both try to bus_set_iommu(&pci_bus_type), and one of them will lose. The aspect which might warrant clarification is that there's no combination of supported drivers which claim non-overlapping buses *and* could appear in the same system - even if you tried to contrive something by emulating, say, VT-d (PCI) alongside rockchip-iommu (platform), you could still only describe one or the other due to ACPI vs. Devicetree. Thanks, Robin. ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 06:40:14AM +, Tian, Kevin wrote: > > The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed-driver > > systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So > > remove it. > > It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual platform > is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual VT-d > or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed out) > there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of simply > saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit code > to reject such configuration. 😊 Will edit this part. Thanks! ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
RE: [PATCH v2 3/5] vfio/iommu_type1: Remove the domain->ops comparison
> From: Nicolin Chen > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 8:03 AM > > The domain->ops validation was added, as a precaution, for mixed-driver > systems. However, at this moment only one iommu driver is possible. So > remove it. It's true on a physical platform. But I'm not sure whether a virtual platform is allowed to include multiple e.g. one virtio-iommu alongside a virtual VT-d or a virtual smmu. It might be clearer to claim that (as Robin pointed out) there is plenty more significant problems than this to solve instead of simply saying that only one iommu driver is possible if we don't have explicit code to reject such configuration. 😊 > > Per discussion with Robin, in future when many can be permitted we will > rely on the IOMMU core code to check the domain->ops: > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/6575de6d-94ba-c427-5b1e- > 967750ddf...@arm.com/ > > Signed-off-by: Nicolin Chen Apart from that, Reviewed-by: Kevin Tian ___ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
