Re: [IPsec] WG last call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-01

2009-11-23 Thread Tero Kivinen
Nicolas Williams writes: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 02:36:20PM +0300, Tero Kivinen wrote: Yes. That was what I tried to say. Do you think my already changed sentence is ok, or do we need to explain it more. Well, the heuristics will benefit from the information cached for the TCP/UDP flow

[IPsec] Comments on draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-01

2009-11-23 Thread Tero Kivinen
Tero Mononen writes: Overall comments: The draft contains quite a lot of background information (what you are trying to achieve on technical point of view, what were the alternative solutions considered). Part of this background is also available on WESP draft. Making this

[IPsec] draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-02.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Tero Kivinen
Submitted now a new version of the heuristics draft, which includes changes from Williams, Mononen, Richardson, Graveman and Moononen. This should now include all changes that were requested, if I missed some, send me a note. Draft can already be found from the ietf repository

[IPsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-02.txt

2009-11-23 Thread Internet-Drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets Author(s) : T. Kivinen, D.

[IPsec] Hiroshima meeting minutes posted

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
They are at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/minutes/ipsecme.txt; please let Yaron or I know if you find any errors. FWIW, Gabriel got them to us almost immediately after the meeting, so the lateness is the fault of your WG chairs, not of the minutes-taker. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN

[IPsec] #121: Rekeying IKE SAs: KEr errors and PRF question

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
We earlier agreed in issue #50 to make the KEr in Section 1.3.2 (Rekeying IKE SAs with the CREATE_CHILD_SA Exchange) mandatory: -- HDR, SK {SA, Nr, KEr} Note that this is not in the current draft, but will be in the next one. So, what happens if the responder does

[IPsec] #122: Integrity proposals with combined algorithms

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
The 4th paragraph of section 3.3 says If an algorithm that combines encryption and integrity protection is proposed, it MUST be proposed as an encryption algorithm and an integrity protection algorithm MUST NOT be proposed. This means that an integrity protection algorithm can only be proposed

Re: [IPsec] #122: Integrity proposals with combined algorithms

2009-11-23 Thread Dan McDonald
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 04:32:43PM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: The second sentence seems wrong. Proposed rewording: For example, [AEAD] specifies additional formats based on authenticated encryption, in which the integrity algorithm is an inherent part of the combined algorithm; in

Re: [IPsec] #123: Proposal to remove the IANA tables from IKEv2bis

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 8:12 PM -0500 11/23/09, Dan McDonald wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 04:37:22PM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: This has flummoxed a few reviewers. Tables such as those in section 3.3.2 are already out of date because things have been added since RFC 4306. I propose that we remove all these

Re: [IPsec] #123: Proposal to remove the IANA tables from IKEv2bis

2009-11-23 Thread Dan McDonald
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 08:37:32PM -0500, Dan McDonald wrote: SNIP! The warning and URL is the critical part. are the critical part, - uggh, mustn't press Send so quickly. Dan ___ IPsec mailing list IPsec@ietf.org

Re: [IPsec] #123: Proposal to remove the IANA tables from IKEv2bis

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 8:37 PM -0500 11/23/09, Dan McDonald wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 05:27:36PM -0800, Paul Hoffman wrote: Can you move 'em to an appendix, with a permanent URL reference to the IANA up-to-date versions? As long as you mean an appendix that clearly says 'these were in RFC 4306 but are now

Re: [IPsec] #123: Proposal to remove the IANA tables from IKEv2bis

2009-11-23 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi Paul, Please add to Issue #123 a list of the affected tables. For example, I wouldn't imagine the list of notification types moving away, even though it's already been extended by IANA. Similarly for the stuff in Sec. 3.6, which is strongly related to descriptive text. Thanks,

[IPsec] Closing #22 (was: RE: Closing #25)

2009-11-23 Thread Yaron Sheffer
And this is exactly the table that I claim needs to remain in the spec. A list of errors - even if partial! - is essential to understanding a protocol. Thanks, Yaron -Original Message- From: ipsec-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ipsec-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman