Re: [IPsec] [Schc] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ipsecme-diet-esp and draft-mglt-ipsecme-ikev2-diet-esp-extension

2023-12-12 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
Let me reply to Hannes’ statement: “Integrating the functionality into SCHC alone is not enough.” I consider SCHC as a technical mean and not an end. I.e., it is not about adding IPsec to SCHC but rather about using SCHC to compress IPsec (= ESP & IKE). The SCHC WG did a similar work with COAP.

[IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-auth-announce-06.txt

2023-12-12 Thread internet-drafts
Internet-Draft draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-auth-announce-06.txt is now available. It is a work item of the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions (IPSECME) WG of the IETF. Title: Announcing Supported Authentication Methods in IKEv2 Author: Valery Smyslov Name:draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-auth-announce-06.txt

2023-12-12 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi, the -06 version has the security considerations section updated. Regards, Valery. > -Original Message- > From: IPsec [mailto:ipsec-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 4:09 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: ipsec@ietf.org >

Re: [IPsec] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ipsecme-diet-esp and draft-mglt-ipsecme-ikev2-diet-esp-extension

2023-12-12 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Hannes, Seems I did not click "sent" yesterday. Please see my response inline. Yours, Daniel On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 12:02 PM Hannes Tschofenig < hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net> wrote: > Hi Daniel, Hi all, > > > don't get me wrong: I am trying to be helpful. > > > This is how I am reading your co

Re: [IPsec] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ipsecme-diet-esp and draft-mglt-ipsecme-ikev2-diet-esp-extension

2023-12-12 Thread hannes . tschofenig=40gmx . net
Hi Paul, reading your response it sounds to me that a myth busting (or a hitchhiker's guide to IKEv2/IPsec) document would be useful. I am curious whether others have also run into similar discussions about Wireguard. Additionally, it seems worthwhile to think about doing something simil

Re: [IPsec] [Schc] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ipsecme-diet-esp and draft-mglt-ipsecme-ikev2-diet-esp-extension

2023-12-12 Thread hannes . tschofenig=40gmx . net
Hi Eric, I think we are saying the same thing. Making the SCHC integration will be nice but does not get you to solve anything for constrained IoT device implementations. Ciao Hannes From: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) Sent: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2023 12:34 To: Hannes Tschofenig ; Daniel

Re: [IPsec] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ipsecme-diet-esp and draft-mglt-ipsecme-ikev2-diet-esp-extension

2023-12-12 Thread hannes . tschofenig=40gmx . net
Hi Daniel, thanks for your response. See my response below. From: Daniel Migault Sent: Dienstag, 12. Dezember 2023 15:20 To: Hannes Tschofenig Cc: Hannes Tschofenig ; Carsten Bormann ; Tero Kivinen ; ipsec@ietf.org; s...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IPsec] WG Adoption calls for draft-mglt-ip

Re: [IPsec] Why ipsecme-anti-replay-subspaces is needed.

2023-12-12 Thread Tero Kivinen
Pierre Pfister (ppfister) writes: > > Sending 144 small encrypted packets, and receiving 144 small encrypter > > packets should not take lots of CPU power. The CREATE_CHILD_SA does > > NOT need to do any Diffie-Hellman, and there is no public key crypto > > on them, so it is just encrypting those p

Re: [IPsec] Why ipsecme-anti-replay-subspaces is needed.

2023-12-12 Thread Tero Kivinen
Antony Antony writes: > > What we are saying is do this: > > > > T=00:00 Establish IKE SA with 1st Child SA (lifetime 1h for IKE SA, 8h for > > Child SA) > > T=00:01 Establish 2nd Child SA using DH (lifetime 8h) > > T=01:00 Rekey IKE SA > > T=02:00 Rekey IKE SA > > [...] > > T=07:00 Rekey IK