On 12.02.15, 14.14, Gert Doering g...@space.net wrote:
I wonder if it would make a difference if big eyeballs ISPs (among the
3 largest in a country) would start talking to content providers, telling
them hey, you know, your content is quite popular with our users, but
since it's v4-only, we
On 12.02.15, 12.24, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no wrote:
IPv6 doesn't relieve you of IPv4 growth pains until you can start
shutting down IPv4 in parts of your network, and reassign those
reclaimed IPv4 addresses to more valuable end-points (such as the CPEs).
However, once you have implemented
Is it related to the paranoid option of blocking all inbound traffic? To
mimick NAT44 ?
-éric
On 12/02/15 14:00, Thomas Schäfer tho...@cis.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
Am 12.02.2015 um 13:40 schrieb erik.tarald...@telenor.com:
This might be so in Norway. In German customer portals the gamers
mostly
I wonder if it would make a difference if big eyeballs ISPs (among the
3 largest in a country) would start talking to content providers, telling
them hey, you know, your content is quite popular with our users, but
since it's v4-only, we need to seriously throttle it to avoid overloading
our
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:00:21AM +0100, Ole Troan wrote:
So, any thoughts on this topic, and any qualified guesses on when we no
longer need to do IPv4 and still be able to call our internet product
premium?
When will IPv6 provide me as an end-user with more value than what my
Gert,
So, any thoughts on this topic, and any qualified guesses on when we no
longer need to do IPv4 and still be able to call our internet product
premium?
When will IPv6 provide me as an end-user with more value than what my
current NATed IPv4 connection does?
Today!
(I'm
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41:05AM +0100, Ole Troan wrote:
But that's better value by making IPv4 work less good. and I'll
postulate that we can make A+P / shared IPv4 work good enough that
end-users who are trained to live behind a NATs will not notice.
You mean, trained to see their
Mikael,
But that's better value by making IPv4 work less good. and I'll postulate
that we can make A+P / shared IPv4 work good enough that end-users who are
trained to live behind a NATs will not notice.
Problem with that is that this doesn't work with anything that doesn't have
+P, so
* Anfinsen, Ragnar
I am working with my management team to implement IPv6, but I got an
interesting question from one of the managers; Why do we need more
IPv4 if we are moving towards IPv6?
IPv6 doesn't relieve you of IPv4 growth pains until you can start
shutting down IPv4 in parts of your
* Ole Troan
When will IPv6 provide me as an end-user with more value than what
my current NATed IPv4 connection does?
If you, like me, like to play games online, and at some point find
yourself googling for the cause of connectivity problems (it is just
*so* *extremely* infuriating to have the
On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:33 AM, olaf.bonn...@telekom.de
mailto:olaf.bonn...@telekom.de wrote:
I wonder if it would make a difference if big eyeballs ISPs (among the
3 largest in a country) would start talking to
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:33 AM, olaf.bonn...@telekom.de wrote:
I wonder if it would make a difference if big eyeballs ISPs (among the
3 largest in a country) would start talking to content providers, telling
them hey, you know, your content is quite popular with our users, but
since it's
Appreciate your feedback, but as long as the majority of Norwegian content
providers does not move on IPv6, including governmental sites, and the
potential risk of the Norwegian government implementing some sort of Data
Retention Directive, it makes sense to by addresses instead of doing
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41:05AM +0100, Ole Troan wrote:
When will IPv6 provide me as an end-user with more value than what my
current NATed IPv4 connection does?
Today!
[..]
But that's better value by making IPv4 work less good. and I'll
postulate that we can make A+P /
Hi!
[Gert wrote]
(I'm hearing more and more reports that the CGNs deployed by big german
cable ISPs are breaking SIP and IPSEC to IPv4-only targets for their
customers...)
Yes, they do break that. We had one case, where we replaced
IPsec with OpenVPN to overcome that issue.
KabelBW is
Nice to hear that you feel like that ;-).
However I’ve often got another impression. But may be that is a subjective
experience.
From: Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:lore...@google.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015 23:05
To: Bonneß, Olaf
Cc: Gert Doering; Ragnar Anfinsen; Steinar Gunderson; IPv6
On 12.02.15, 10.58, Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
As Steinar pointed out: You can help speeding up the process by enabling
native IPv6 access for as many as possible (all?) of your subscribers
today.
I am sure you know that you can't completely skip the dual-stack phase,
and that's what you
Am 12.02.2015 um 15:01 schrieb Anfinsen, Ragnar:
Sure, but this requires our product department to look at IPv4 as legacy
and stop caring about customers who do gaming and have their own servers
and such.
No. We should help them to migrate their games and own servers to IPv6.
One argument
Am 12.02.2015 um 13:40 schrieb erik.tarald...@telenor.com:
This might be so in Norway. In German customer portals the gamers mostly
demand ipv4 (public ipv4 address to their home) instead of DS-Lite. They
have already native IPv6 but avm was forced to allow teredo over DS
and DS-lite - because
On 12.02.15, 01.05, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.commailto:cb.li...@gmail.com
wrote:
I always cringe when folks say premium internet. Internet is always best
effort, we are all always reduced to the least common denominator for network
quality.
Sure, but doing CGN or equivalent reduces the best
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:11:21PM +, Anfinsen, Ragnar wrote:
However, we are there soon, but it does not change the fact that we still
need to keep our IPv4 running, due to the slow movement of many content
providers.
Amen. Frustrating as it is.
I wonder if it would make a
On 12.02.15, 09.16, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Anfinsen, Ragnar wrote:
So, any thoughts on this topic, and any qualified guesses on when we no
longer need to do IPv4 and still be able to call our internet product
premium?
Depends. Are you selling
* Thomas Schäfer
This might be so in Norway. In German customer portals the gamers
mostly demand ipv4 (public ipv4 address to their home) instead of
DS-Lite. They have already native IPv6 but avm was forced to allow
teredo over DS and DS-lite - because xbox has problems with native
IPv6.
On 12.02.15, 01.11, Steinar H. Gunderson se...@google.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:42:00PM +, Anfinsen, Ragnar wrote:
I am working with my management team to implement IPv6, but I got an
interesting question from one of the managers; Why do we need more IPv4
if
we are moving
Inline below.
-Original Message-
From: ipv6-ops-bounces+olaf.bonness=telekom...@lists.cluenet.de
[mailto:ipv6-ops-bounces+olaf.bonness=telekom...@lists.cluenet.de] On Behalf Of
Gert Doering
Sent: Donnerstag, 12. Februar 2015 14:14
To: Anfinsen, Ragnar
Cc: Steinar H. Gunderson; IPv6 Ops
Am 12.02.2015 um 12:05 schrieb Tore Anderson:
And then if the gamer
then starts googling this «IPv6» thing he might find out that it
abolishes the hated NAT stuff entirely, and suddenly Microsoft's
statement makes perfect sense to him, and he will actually end up
actively *wanting* IPv6.
This
On 12/02/15 12:40, erik.tarald...@telenor.com wrote:
This might be so in Norway. In German customer portals the gamers mostly
demand ipv4 (public ipv4 address to their home) instead of DS-Lite. They
have already native IPv6 but avm was forced to allow teredo over DS
and DS-lite - because xbox
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015, erik.tarald...@telenor.com wrote:
This might be so in Norway. In German customer portals the gamers mostly
demand ipv4 (public ipv4 address to their home) instead of DS-Lite. They
have already native IPv6 but avm was forced to allow teredo over DS
and DS-lite - because xbox
So, any thoughts on this topic, and any qualified guesses on when we no
longer need to do IPv4 and still be able to call our internet product
premium?
When will IPv6 provide me as an end-user with more value than what my current
NATed IPv4 connection does?
Best regards,
Ole
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