Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-14 Thread Yannis Nikolopoulos
On 5/10/19 2:10 PM, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 01:07:44PM +0200, H.Zuleger wrote: (The whole reason why /64 semeed a good idea back then was CGA and "we can make it work with EUI-64 on IEEE-1394 devices!", of which CGA never truly happened, EUI-64 based on MAC addresses

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-14 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 14 May 2019, WILSON Sam wrote: Except those nasty security people are now allowing systems to randomise their MAC addresses. I'm sure some people's Life Goal is to make life as difficult as possible for us network operators. That's why one should always create solutions that do not

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-14 Thread WILSON Sam
> On 13 May 2019, at 06:20, Philip Loenneker > wrote: > > To be sure, you could always put your phone system on the same network > segment too... > > Back to the original discussion, it's worth keeping in mind that individual > devices can and do have multiple IPv6 addresses, so the IPv6

RE: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-12 Thread Philip Loenneker
+philip.loenneker=tasmanet.com...@lists.cluenet.de On Behalf Of Nick Hilliard Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2019 7:23 AM To: Gert Doering Cc: Doug Barton ; ipv6-ops@lists.cluenet.de Subject: Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet? Gert Doering wrote on 10/05/2019 22:16: > Just make sure their pho

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Nick Hilliard
Gert Doering wrote on 10/05/2019 22:16: Just make sure their phones are in the same network segment. No shouting. Then they'll all start complaining on WhatsApp over the wifi network ... waait - I see what you're suggesting here. Brilliantly evil. Nick

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Bernd Walter
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 10:29:44AM -0700, Joe Hamelin wrote: > Mark Tinka mentioned: > >Whether a single LAN can scale to the number of devices a /64 can > >maximally support... I don't think so, but I also don't know of anyone > >who has tried. > > Since the MAC address space is 48 bits I would

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 10:14:36PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > I'm sure 1000 hosts on a network will usually work fine, until someone > does something dumb and takes down the entire segment, at which point > you'll have 1000 people shouting at you. Just make sure their phones are in the

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Nick Hilliard
Doug Barton wrote on 10/05/2019 05:27: It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did the guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A lot of that was IPv4 thinking regarding broadcast domains, but generally speaking we kept to it for dual stacked

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Joe Hamelin
Mark Tinka mentioned: >Whether a single LAN can scale to the number of devices a /64 can >maximally support... I don't think so, but I also don't know of anyone >who has tried. Since the MAC address space is 48 bits I would thing that would be the max. -Joe -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread H.Zuleger
> (The whole reason why /64 semeed a good idea back then was CGA and > "we can make it work with EUI-64 on IEEE-1394 devices!", of which CGA > never truly happened, EUI-64 based on MAC addresses is dying off, and > IEEE-1394 is long gone... I always thought that /64 was a bit silly) Maybe, but

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 01:07:44PM +0200, H.Zuleger wrote: > > (The whole reason why /64 semeed a good idea back then was CGA and > > "we can make it work with EUI-64 on IEEE-1394 devices!", of which CGA > > never truly happened, EUI-64 based on MAC addresses is dying off, and > > IEEE-1394

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 08:26:46AM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > Whether a single LAN can scale to the number of devices a /64 can > maximally support... I don't think so, but I also don't know of anyone > who has tried. Math says there is no way to do that. Like, store 2^63 ND entries in

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Ole Troan
> On 10 May 2019, at 06:27, Doug Barton wrote: > > It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did the > guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A lot of that > was IPv4 thinking regarding broadcast domains, but generally speaking we kept > to

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Tim Chown
> On 10 May 2019, at 07:43, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Thu, 9 May 2019, Doug Barton wrote: > >> It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did the >> guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A lot of that >> was IPv4 thinking regarding

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 9 May 2019, Doug Barton wrote: It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did the guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A lot of that was IPv4 thinking regarding broadcast domains, but generally speaking we kept to it for dual stacked

Re: Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/May/19 06:27, Doug Barton wrote: > It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did > the guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A > lot of that was IPv4 thinking regarding broadcast domains, but > generally speaking we kept to it for dual

Realistic number of hosts for a /64 subnet?

2019-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
It's been a while since I was configuring subnets, and last time I did the guidance was always no more than 1,000 hosts per subnet/vlan. A lot of that was IPv4 thinking regarding broadcast domains, but generally speaking we kept to it for dual stacked networks, equating an IPv4 /22 with an