Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying lots of IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Laurent GUERBY
Le Friday 22 August 2014 à 07:16 -0700, Lorenzo Colitti a écrit : On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Laurent GUERBY laur...@guerby.net wrote: We've been running SMTP over IPv6 with postfix successfully for over a year and since 20140818 gmail.com IPv6 MX started to

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Thierry
Le 23 août 2014 à 07:51, Michael Chang thenewm...@gmail.com a écrit : I was under the impression that it wasn't so much about there being more IPv6 spam as much as tracking IPv6 reputation based on addresses was computationally infeasible. If a spammer gets a hold of a /64, then the

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:51:26PM -0700, Michael Chang wrote: If a spammer gets a hold of a /64, then the spammer can send 18 billion billion (~2^64) different email addresses, each coming from a different IP address. Never-mind that a spammer can go to a half-dozen tunnel brokers and

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 22 Aug 2014, at 17:56, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@google.com wrote: I'm not on the gmail team and don't have those numbers. Nick asked me for an answer, and I gave him what information I have. My assumption was that since they do receive a lot of email, they have statistics on this, but of

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
FWIW, I agree with Matthew 100%, especially about the fact that the SMTP world is changing. It's also worth noting that it's been in constant (although not always rapid) flux since I first got involved in Internet stuff 20+ years ago. Back then it was common for any connected system to be able

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 23, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I think you should quibble. The issue isn't bad software used by intermediaries, it's that by design DMARC p=reject breaks a very common model used by intermediaries. Whether that is a bug or a feature in DMARC is out of

Re: SMTP over IPv6 : gmail classifying nearly all IPv6 mail as spam since 20140818

2014-08-23 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 24/08/2014 09:20, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 23, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I think you should quibble. The issue isn't bad software used by intermediaries, it's that by design DMARC p=reject breaks a very common model used by intermediaries. Whether