Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-24 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Eduard, On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 11:55 PM Vasilenko Eduard wrote: > > Hi Leo, > I did not say anything about "registered ULAs". Registration initiative has a > lot of pros and cons. I am not sure. > > I did react to the claim that ULA is not needed. Because I am sure that ULA > is very much

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-24 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg
Vegoda ; Nico Schottelius ; Marco Hogewoning ; ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83) Hey Eduard, Vasilenko Eduard writes: > There is a much bigger problem than the hassle with RIPE formalities and f

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Leo Vegoda
On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:40 PM Nico Schottelius wrote: [...] > > ULA does not have a registry because it is highly improbable that > > there will be prefix clashes because the available space is so vast. > > ... if generated truly randomly and people would not tend towards using > "feed",

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Nico, On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:12 PM Nico Schottelius wrote: [...] > The status quo is: > > - Community projects use ULA, because it's easy and free > <-| > - ULA does not have an official registry (and seems to be unlikely that we go > there)| >

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Nico Schottelius via ipv6-wg
Hey Leo, Leo Vegoda writes: >> ## Motivation >> >> The Motivation is: >> >> - with GUA, potential connectivity to the Internet later does not >> require renumbering >> - with GUA, reverse DNS is easily possible > > I don't understand the motivation. What kind of organisation would > have so

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Leo Vegoda
site resiliency. > Everything else is broken for some reason. > Not many people know this anecdote. > > Eduard > -Original Message- > From: Leo Vegoda [mailto:l...@vegoda.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 5:39 PM > To: Vasilenko Eduard > Cc: Nico Schottelius ;

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg
- From: Leo Vegoda [mailto:l...@vegoda.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 5:39 PM To: Vasilenko Eduard Cc: Nico Schottelius ; Marco Hogewoning ; ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83) Hi Eduard

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-23 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg
1 Eduard -Original Message- From: Gert Doering [mailto:g...@space.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:37 AM To: Vasilenko Eduard Cc: Gert Doering ; Leo Vegoda ; Marco Hogewoning ; ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-22 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Eduard, On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 12:10 AM Vasilenko Eduard wrote: > > Hi Leo, > Almost any business (even small) would like to have Internet resiliency in > the form of redundant connections through the different Carriers. That is not my experience. In my experience, small and medium sized

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-22 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 08:33:40AM +, Vasilenko Eduard wrote: > 3. use proper source based routing on the ISP routers -> see homenet WG. > > a) homenet is not available on real products Your employer is in a situation to fix that. > b) if a particular resource is in the walled garden

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-22 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg
oes not exist. Ed/ -Original Message- From: Gert Doering [mailto:g...@space.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 11:18 AM To: Vasilenko Eduard Cc: Leo Vegoda ; Marco Hogewoning ; ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes f

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-22 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 08:09:59AM +, Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg wrote: > Almost any business (even small) would like to have Internet resiliency in > the form of redundant connections through the different Carriers. > Then hosts should have PA addresses from different carriers. > >

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-22 Thread Vasilenko Eduard via ipv6-wg
is disconnected. Eduard -Original Message- From: Leo Vegoda [mailto:l...@vegoda.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:04 PM To: Vasilenko Eduard Cc: Nico Schottelius ; Marco Hogewoning ; ipv6-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-21 Thread Jeroen Massar via ipv6-wg
> On 20 Dec 2021, at 14:29, Nico Schottelius > wrote: [..] > ## Running / Maintenance / Support > > Now in the spirit of GUA space for community projects, I would envision > not *one*, but potentially *many* free GUA registries, potentially using > the same code base, but offering different

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-21 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Eduard, On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 1:18 AM Vasilenko Eduard wrote: > > There is a much bigger problem than the hassle with RIPE formalities and fees. > It is the size of the Internet table. > If just businesses would get PA addresses (GUA) then all routers on the > Internet would need a 30M

Re: [ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-20 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Nico, On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 6:24 AM Nico Schottelius via ipv6-wg wrote: > > > Good morning everyone, > > a follow up from the RIPE83 IPv6 WG meeting: I had a few talk afterwards > and at I got the feeling that "not to ULA, but to GUA" would be the most > sustainable way forward. > > ##

[ipv6-wg] Free GUA space for community projects [CfP/RFC] (was: Minutes from the IPv6 WG @ RIPE 83)

2021-12-20 Thread Nico Schottelius via ipv6-wg
Good morning everyone, a follow up from the RIPE83 IPv6 WG meeting: I had a few talk afterwards and at I got the feeling that "not to ULA, but to GUA" would be the most sustainable way forward. ## Motivation The Motivation is: - with GUA, potential connectivity to the Internet later does not