Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-18 Thread Gil Stacy
I found this interesting response in my mailbox this a.m. from a WWII pilot. These guys were and still are an amazing and special breed of men. It was in response to my question regarding use of the RDF in the trans-Pacific flight to Hawaii by aircraft crews in the 345th Bombardment Group of the

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-17 Thread Gil Stacy
My mother's brother Tom flew with the 500th Sqdn, 345th Bombardment Group, the Air Apachees, of the 5th Air Force. According to Lawrence Hickey's book, *Warpath Across the Pacific*, the 345th's B-25 Mitchells were deployed from San Francisco to Hawaii in May of 1943. No attempt was made to fly in

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-17 Thread Craig Healy
Considering the vagaries of propagation, green air crews, the RDF issues, and the enormous distance involved with no landmarks scattered along the way, Maxwell's article certainly has more than just the ring of truth to me, but each is entitled to his opinion. One thing doesn't make a lot of

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-17 Thread Craig Healy
True, but the California stations would be good for at least a few hundred miles out, I'd think. Maybe up to 700 miles in good conditions. At some point there would be a handoff to the Hawaiians. Maybe a span of a thousand miles in the middle? And, at least some skywave would be there from

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-17 Thread Walter Salmaniw
A comment from a pilot, although relatively freshly minted. When I trained, I trained without a GPS (that's too easy and shouldn't be relied upon 100% since systems fail). Instead, we used VORs and ADF. The latter are the beacons heard on LW, although the same process can be used on the MW

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-17 Thread Russ Edmunds
--- Walter Salmaniw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They stressed on the program the navigation required (over the piloting skills). Initially there was such a shortage of trained navigators that a single aircraft carried an experienced navigator for the whole group. *** During the early years

[IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-16 Thread Gil Stacy
In the January 2007 QST magazine published by the ARRL, there is an interesting article regarding the problems of direction finding with loop antennas during WWII which gives a basis for understanding our experience in imprecisely pinpointing the mystery tone a few weeks ago. The article is

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-16 Thread Jim Pogue
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Stacy Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:26 AM To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII In the January 2007 QST magazine published by the ARRL, there is an interesting article regarding the problems of direction finding

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-16 Thread Chuck Hutton
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:36 AM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII At 16:25 16/12/2006, you wrote: In the January 2007 QST magazine published by the ARRL, there is an interesting article regarding

Re: [IRCA] Mystery tone at 1610, 1020 and WWII

2006-12-16 Thread Russ Edmunds
--- Chuck Hutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some 35 years ago, Gordon Nelson did a long term (a season or two) study of the accuracy of DFing European signals with a loop. His average error was a few degrees, although I don't recall the exact number after all this time. Makes me take