Re: [IRCA] 940 UNID (more)

[James Renfrew]

Pardon my error in the previous post about 940  It's XEQ, not XEQR!

Now I am hearing the Mexican National Anthem at 0600 UTC, after having
already heard it at 0500.

There's also a second Spanish station, and the two stations are in long
fades together of over 10 minutes.  XEQ seems to be playing salsa.  The
second station has more talk.

Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:11 AM, James Renfrew 
wrote:

> Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY
>
> 0500 UTC, NOV 7 2016
>
> 940   Seems to be last night's Latin UNID again.  At 0500 I heard the
> Mexican National Anthem, so likely XEQR.  But I am mystified that the
> anthem would be played at 11:00 PM Mexico Time instead of midnight.  Is
> Mexico still on daylight time?  A web search says return to standard time
> was OCT 30, so I guess the anthem happens at 11 pm there.  At 0508 "en La
> Ciudad de Mexico", so even more likely XEQR.  The slogan I am having
> trouble hearing is probably "Que Buena".
>
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[IRCA] 940 UNID (more)

[James Renfrew]

Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY

0500 UTC, NOV 7 2016

940   Seems to be last night's Latin UNID again.  At 0500 I heard the
Mexican National Anthem, so likely XEQR.  But I am mystified that the
anthem would be played at 11:00 PM Mexico Time instead of midnight.  Is
Mexico still on daylight time?  A web search says return to standard time
was OCT 30, so I guess the anthem happens at 11 pm there.  At 0508 "en La
Ciudad de Mexico", so even more likely XEQR.  The slogan I am having
trouble hearing is probably "Que Buena".
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Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] Anomaly on 680 KHz

[Scott Fybush]

That "CBS Radio Network, Channel 41" is a placeholder on the satellite
system that CBS abs Westwood One use to send content to affiliates.

Based on when you heard it,  I'd bet it's someone who was carrying football
and their automation didn't switch away when the game ended.

Beyond that... who knows?

(Back in my WBZ days,  I heard a lot of that CBS placeholder audio while
waiting for feeds to come down the line!)

On Nov 6, 2016 8:55 PM, "David Potter"  wrote:

Had basically the same here, Les.  Noted from 2008EST with same loop.  I
DFed it and it nulled roughly NNE from here in the Gainesville, FL area.
Good signal, but with fades.  I heard WPTF on the channel at 2025 when I
tuned out, thinking it might have been them.

David Potter
C Crane Skywave barefoot

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> While walking the dogs tonight, at around 7:18 PM Central Time I heard a
> strong tone on 680 Khz followed by a male announcer, “CBS Radio
> Network-Channel 41”. This repeated over and over for about 20 minutes then
> ended abruptly at about 7:40 PM. After that, I heard only a dead carrier
> under other stations.
>
> This on my Sony portable. Anyone else here this? Any ideas?
>
> 73,
>
> Les N1LF
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[IRCA] WWV Solar Report

[NOAA WWV]

:Product: Geophysical Alert Message wwv.txt
:Issued: 2016 Nov 07 0015 UTC
# Prepared by the US Dept. of Commerce, NOAA, Space Weather Prediction Center
#
#  Geophysical Alert Message
#
Solar-terrestrial indices for 06 November follow.
Solar flux 76 and estimated planetary A-index 5.
The estimated planetary K-index at  UTC on 07 November was 1.
No space weather storms were observed for the past 24 hours.
No space weather storms are predicted for the next 24 hours.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Trends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Date 05   05   05   05   05   06   06   06   06   06   06   06   06   07
UTC  0900 1200 1500 1800 2100  0300 0600 0900 1200 1500 1800 2100 
SFlx 77   77   77   77   77   77   77   77   77   77   77   77   76   76
A-in 55553333333355
K-in 10000011212111
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Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] Anomaly on 680 KHz

[David Potter]

Had basically the same here, Les.  Noted from 2008EST with same loop.  I
DFed it and it nulled roughly NNE from here in the Gainesville, FL area.
Good signal, but with fades.  I heard WPTF on the channel at 2025 when I
tuned out, thinking it might have been them.

David Potter
C Crane Skywave barefoot

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Les Rayburn  wrote:

> While walking the dogs tonight, at around 7:18 PM Central Time I heard a
> strong tone on 680 Khz followed by a male announcer, “CBS Radio
> Network-Channel 41”. This repeated over and over for about 20 minutes then
> ended abruptly at about 7:40 PM. After that, I heard only a dead carrier
> under other stations.
>
> This on my Sony portable. Anyone else here this? Any ideas?
>
> 73,
>
> Les N1LF
>
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[IRCA] Anomaly on 680 KHz

[Les Rayburn]

While walking the dogs tonight, at around 7:18 PM Central Time I heard a strong 
tone on 680 Khz followed by a male announcer, “CBS Radio Network-Channel 41”. 
This repeated over and over for about 20 minutes then ended abruptly at about 
7:40 PM. After that, I heard only a dead carrier under other stations. 

This on my Sony portable. Anyone else here this? Any ideas? 

73,

Les N1LF


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Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[R. Colin Newell]

I couldn't get used to the massive signal levels. :-) 
I'm going to be DXing from Europe in 2017... So, that should be interesting. 

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Walter Salmaniw  wrote:
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> But it might not be enough of a challenge, Colin ;-)   Walt
> 
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:59 PM, R. Colin Newell 
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>> Invite me next time.
>> 
>> Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Nicholas Hall-Patch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You could say that.   Domestics have been an afterthought for the last
>>> couple of hours, suffering the outrage of transAtlantic assaults.
>> Many
>>> 9 kHz channels are occupied by a strong signal which a few moments later
>>> becomes an afterthought as something thunders into its place.  Huge fun.
>>> 
>>> best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:43 PM, R. Colin Newell 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 At 1840 UTC already seeing evidence of the Euro and Middle Eastern big
 guns -
 
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Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[Walter Salmaniw]

But it might not be enough of a challenge, Colin ;-)   Walt

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:59 PM, R. Colin Newell 
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> Invite me next time.
>
> Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
>
> > On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Nicholas Hall-Patch  wrote:
> >
> > You could say that.   Domestics have been an afterthought for the last
> > couple of hours, suffering the outrage of transAtlantic assaults.
>  Many
> > 9 kHz channels are occupied by a strong signal which a few moments later
> > becomes an afterthought as something thunders into its place.  Huge fun.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:43 PM, R. Colin Newell 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> At 1840 UTC already seeing evidence of the Euro and Middle Eastern big
> >> guns -
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Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 11-6

[R. Colin Newell]

You're only 1000 miles away from the DX... On the west coast, we are shooting 
for stuff that is 4-6 times the distance and 1/10th the power.

Or in other words: why am I not there!?  :-) 

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Walter Salmaniw  wrote:
> 
> Well if it's any consolation, Gary, we're doing very well, thank you, with
> Europe and Africa today in PEI!   73,...Walt
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>> 
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Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[R. Colin Newell]

Invite me next time. 

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Nicholas Hall-Patch  wrote:
> 
> You could say that.   Domestics have been an afterthought for the last
> couple of hours, suffering the outrage of transAtlantic assaults. Many
> 9 kHz channels are occupied by a strong signal which a few moments later
> becomes an afterthought as something thunders into its place.  Huge fun.
> 
> best wishes,
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:43 PM, R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
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>> At 1840 UTC already seeing evidence of the Euro and Middle Eastern big
>> guns -
>> 
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Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[Nicholas Hall-Patch]

You could say that.   Domestics have been an afterthought for the last
couple of hours, suffering the outrage of transAtlantic assaults. Many
9 kHz channels are occupied by a strong signal which a few moments later
becomes an afterthought as something thunders into its place.  Huge fun.

best wishes,

Nick


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> guns -
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Re: [IRCA] 2016 LBI DXpeditions

[Walter Salmaniw]

So far, the Murray Harbour crowd is very pleased with our 24 hours on the
ground so far!  73,...Walt

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:

> LBI 15 has now concluded. Conditions Saturday night continued to be
> somewhat auroral, with occasional bursts of TA activity.
>
> No new countries were heard, nor were there any new states/provinces
> logged. We did however add a number of new loggings of stations not heard
> in prior events.
>
> As is usually the case when mediocre to poor conditions prevail, the
> discussions and the fellowship of the event take over. The weather was
> excellent for this time of the year as well, which is also a bonus.
>
> Overall, including those who attended one, two or all three nights, we had
> 13 attendees from NY, NJ, PA & VA. We will spend the next weeks reviewing
> recordings and compiling logs with an expectation of providing
> semi-complete logging lists in early January.
>
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Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 11-6

[Walter Salmaniw]

Well if it's any consolation, Gary, we're doing very well, thank you, with
Europe and Africa today in PEI!   73,...Walt

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 4:58 PM,  wrote:

> Several Asian big guns came back with audio this morning but conditions
> still were far from desirable. As Richard, Steve and Craig have reported
> 1566-HLAZ was the main performer (and the strongest of the bunch here as
> well), with good audio peaks in and out from 1330-1415. The Japanese and
> Korean big guns on 594, 693, 774, 1053 and 1287 also managed anemic audio
> at times just after 1400, along with a fair level signal from 738-Tahiti.
> All the second tier Asians stayed down in the noise, though, indicating
> that propagation still has some hangover from the recent solar fireworks.
> Hopefully the trend of recovery will continue.
>
> 73 and Good DX,
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[IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 11-6

[d1028gary]

Several Asian big guns came back with audio this morning but conditions still 
were far from desirable. As Richard, Steve and Craig have reported 1566-HLAZ 
was the main performer (and the strongest of the bunch here as well), with good 
audio peaks in and out from 1330-1415. The Japanese and Korean big guns on 594, 
693, 774, 1053 and 1287 also managed anemic audio at times just after 1400, 
along with a fair level signal from 738-Tahiti. All the second tier Asians 
stayed down in the noise, though, indicating that propagation still has some 
hangover from the recent solar fireworks. Hopefully the trend of recovery will 
continue. 

73 and Good DX, 
Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) 
7.5" loopstick C.Crane Skywave Ultralight + 
15" FSL antenna 


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[IRCA] 2016 LBI DXpeditions

[Russ Edmunds]

LBI 15 has now concluded. Conditions Saturday night continued to be
somewhat auroral, with occasional bursts of TA activity.

No new countries were heard, nor were there any new states/provinces
logged. We did however add a number of new loggings of stations not heard
in prior events.

As is usually the case when mediocre to poor conditions prevail, the
discussions and the fellowship of the event take over. The weather was
excellent for this time of the year as well, which is also a bonus.

Overall, including those who attended one, two or all three nights, we had
13 attendees from NY, NJ, PA & VA. We will spend the next weeks reviewing
recordings and compiling logs with an expectation of providing
semi-complete logging lists in early January.



Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
Grid FN20id

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Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

[Mark Pettifor]

I forgot to note that those recording rates are for using the ELAD at a 
bandwidth of 1536 KHz, which covers the AM band. If I went up to the 
full 6144 MHz bandwidth possible, it would use up 4X the disk space in 
the same amount of time.


Mark

On 2016-11-06 10:48 am, Mark Pettifor wrote:

Another thing to consider, which you've heard myself and others talk
about, is disk space needed if you make recordings.

I use mainly 3 different softwares for listening / recording: SDR
Console, HDSDR, and the software that came with the ELAD, FDM-SW2.
Each one has it's pros and cons, and lately I've been using SDR
Console for the nice recording GUI.

I've noticed that these 3 consume disk space at different rates when
recording. Here's what I've measured:

HDSDR:  41.3 GB/hr
FDM-SW2:  30.7 GB/hr
SDR Console:  22.1 GB/hr

I don't think there's any way to change this, but if someone knows
otherwise, I'd love to hear about it!

So it looks like the recording winner would be SDR Console, right?
Well, it depends. Do you want to be able to open your recordings in
other software? Here's another chart I made up just yesterday:

Recording with HDSDR:
Playback in FDM-SW2 = No
Playback in SDR Console = Yes, if recording file is <2GB

Recording with FDM-SW2:
Playback in HDSDR = Yes
Playback in SDR Console = Yes

Recording with SDR Console:
Playback in HDSDR = Not really - it plays, but the display is all
messed up, so you can't tell what freq you are on
Playback in FDM-SW2 = No

Not sure how the Perseus fits in that scheme. I think Perseus files
play in lots of other software, but others here can weigh in on that
if they want.

Final note about recording with SDR Console - the developer has spent
a lot of time getting the software to work with just about every SDR
radio out there (which is great!), but the recordings made with it
won't play on anything but SDR Console (to my knowledge anyway).

Regarding sound quality, I've seen some great video clips of some
pretty awesome DX on the Perseus, and I can get pretty close to the
same quality on my ELAD. In the end, I think it's a combination of the
hardware and the software, but the software is where you can really
make the higher-end units (where it's apples to apples) shine. There's
a software that the ELAD can use called Zeus Radio, written for the
ZS-1 SDR radio. It has the best sound quality of anything I've used,
but the developer has other projects going and it's starting to look
like a stagnant project. The software isn't free anymore (it used to
be).

OK, Ive rambled long enough...

Mark
Goshen, IN

On 2016-11-06 9:56 am, Keith wrote:

My point was that for recording (capturing) large amounts of bandwidth
for FM you need something more powerful.  When I ran the Perseus on a
netbook it worked fine for MW captures (up to the max) but suffered
badly when trying to make FM captures.

Keith

On 11/6/2016 8:24 AM, ma...@durenberger.com wrote:

I'm with you on this one Chuck.  I've been running Perseus for years
with old garden-variety dual-core machines with nary a hiccup.

Mark Durenberger

-Original Message- From: Chuck Hutton
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

Yet my cheapo ($60) Atom Z3735F tablets run Perseus SW with no 
problems.


Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Keith

Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:57 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

http://shop.elad-usa.com/sdr-radio/fdm-s2/
[http://shop.elad-usa.com/images/products/fdm-s2.jpg]


Elad FDM-S2
shop.elad-usa.com
FDM-S2 is the second device born in our line ELAD SDR Samplers. 
Direct
sampling receiver based on 122.88MHz 16bit single channel ADC 
converter

covering HF 6m and ...




I found that you need to have a quad core running at least 2.5 ghz or 
so
to avoid any stuttering issues at full bandwidth of 2 mhz for MW.   
Each
setup has it's own issues (I had mine early on with both the Perseus 
and
ELAD) and it takes time and patience.  But that being said I'll never 
go

back to desktop receiver like the Drake.  In fact I'll be putting my
Drake R8A, Grundig Sat 800 and a couple of others up on EBAY soon.  I
will keep my Eton E1 which comes very very close to the Drake in
performance.

I did use a Lenovo Ideapad (can't tell you which model right 
now...gave
it to my son earlier this year) but now I use an MSI G72 gaming 
laptop
(this was a little more money LOL..around $1100).  It has a high end 
i7
quad core processor running Win 10.  I upgraded mainly due to the 
fact
that in the summer I run the ELAD for FM captures during Eskip 
Openings
(6 mhz capture) and the Airspy SDR (for 8 mhz captures).  Running 
both
at the same and 

Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

[Mark Pettifor]

Another thing to consider, which you've heard myself and others talk 
about, is disk space needed if you make recordings.


I use mainly 3 different softwares for listening / recording: SDR 
Console, HDSDR, and the software that came with the ELAD, FDM-SW2. Each 
one has it's pros and cons, and lately I've been using SDR Console for 
the nice recording GUI.


I've noticed that these 3 consume disk space at different rates when 
recording. Here's what I've measured:


HDSDR:  41.3 GB/hr
FDM-SW2:  30.7 GB/hr
SDR Console:  22.1 GB/hr

I don't think there's any way to change this, but if someone knows 
otherwise, I'd love to hear about it!


So it looks like the recording winner would be SDR Console, right? Well, 
it depends. Do you want to be able to open your recordings in other 
software? Here's another chart I made up just yesterday:


Recording with HDSDR:
Playback in FDM-SW2 = No
Playback in SDR Console = Yes, if recording file is <2GB

Recording with FDM-SW2:
Playback in HDSDR = Yes
Playback in SDR Console = Yes

Recording with SDR Console:
Playback in HDSDR = Not really - it plays, but the display is all messed 
up, so you can't tell what freq you are on

Playback in FDM-SW2 = No

Not sure how the Perseus fits in that scheme. I think Perseus files play 
in lots of other software, but others here can weigh in on that if they 
want.


Final note about recording with SDR Console - the developer has spent a 
lot of time getting the software to work with just about every SDR radio 
out there (which is great!), but the recordings made with it won't play 
on anything but SDR Console (to my knowledge anyway).


Regarding sound quality, I've seen some great video clips of some pretty 
awesome DX on the Perseus, and I can get pretty close to the same 
quality on my ELAD. In the end, I think it's a combination of the 
hardware and the software, but the software is where you can really make 
the higher-end units (where it's apples to apples) shine. There's a 
software that the ELAD can use called Zeus Radio, written for the ZS-1 
SDR radio. It has the best sound quality of anything I've used, but the 
developer has other projects going and it's starting to look like a 
stagnant project. The software isn't free anymore (it used to be).


OK, Ive rambled long enough...

Mark
Goshen, IN

On 2016-11-06 9:56 am, Keith wrote:

My point was that for recording (capturing) large amounts of bandwidth
for FM you need something more powerful.  When I ran the Perseus on a
netbook it worked fine for MW captures (up to the max) but suffered
badly when trying to make FM captures.

Keith

On 11/6/2016 8:24 AM, ma...@durenberger.com wrote:

I'm with you on this one Chuck.  I've been running Perseus for years
with old garden-variety dual-core machines with nary a hiccup.

Mark Durenberger

-Original Message- From: Chuck Hutton
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

Yet my cheapo ($60) Atom Z3735F tablets run Perseus SW with no 
problems.


Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Keith

Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:57 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

http://shop.elad-usa.com/sdr-radio/fdm-s2/
[http://shop.elad-usa.com/images/products/fdm-s2.jpg]


Elad FDM-S2
shop.elad-usa.com
FDM-S2 is the second device born in our line ELAD SDR Samplers. Direct
sampling receiver based on 122.88MHz 16bit single channel ADC 
converter

covering HF 6m and ...




I found that you need to have a quad core running at least 2.5 ghz or 
so
to avoid any stuttering issues at full bandwidth of 2 mhz for MW.   
Each
setup has it's own issues (I had mine early on with both the Perseus 
and
ELAD) and it takes time and patience.  But that being said I'll never 
go

back to desktop receiver like the Drake.  In fact I'll be putting my
Drake R8A, Grundig Sat 800 and a couple of others up on EBAY soon.  I
will keep my Eton E1 which comes very very close to the Drake in
performance.

I did use a Lenovo Ideapad (can't tell you which model right 
now...gave

it to my son earlier this year) but now I use an MSI G72 gaming laptop
(this was a little more money LOL..around $1100).  It has a high end 
i7

quad core processor running Win 10.  I upgraded mainly due to the fact
that in the summer I run the ELAD for FM captures during Eskip 
Openings

(6 mhz capture) and the Airspy SDR (for 8 mhz captures).  Running both
at the same and recording (to external drives) has been pretty 
flawless.


Keith



On 11/5/2016 10:40 PM, R. Colin Newell wrote:

On the Elad Store I was sure it was around 500EU or more... Will look
again.

Don't get me wrong - open to new things - the ELAD sample I'm using
just 

Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

[Keith]

My point was that for recording (capturing) large amounts of bandwidth 
for FM you need something more powerful.  When I ran the Perseus on a 
netbook it worked fine for MW captures (up to the max) but suffered 
badly when trying to make FM captures.


Keith

On 11/6/2016 8:24 AM, ma...@durenberger.com wrote:

I'm with you on this one Chuck.  I've been running Perseus for years
with old garden-variety dual-core machines with nary a hiccup.

Mark Durenberger

-Original Message- From: Chuck Hutton
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

Yet my cheapo ($60) Atom Z3735F tablets run Perseus SW with no problems.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Keith

Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:57 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

http://shop.elad-usa.com/sdr-radio/fdm-s2/
[http://shop.elad-usa.com/images/products/fdm-s2.jpg]


Elad FDM-S2
shop.elad-usa.com
FDM-S2 is the second device born in our line ELAD SDR Samplers. Direct
sampling receiver based on 122.88MHz 16bit single channel ADC converter
covering HF 6m and ...




I found that you need to have a quad core running at least 2.5 ghz or so
to avoid any stuttering issues at full bandwidth of 2 mhz for MW.   Each
setup has it's own issues (I had mine early on with both the Perseus and
ELAD) and it takes time and patience.  But that being said I'll never go
back to desktop receiver like the Drake.  In fact I'll be putting my
Drake R8A, Grundig Sat 800 and a couple of others up on EBAY soon.  I
will keep my Eton E1 which comes very very close to the Drake in
performance.

I did use a Lenovo Ideapad (can't tell you which model right now...gave
it to my son earlier this year) but now I use an MSI G72 gaming laptop
(this was a little more money LOL..around $1100).  It has a high end i7
quad core processor running Win 10.  I upgraded mainly due to the fact
that in the summer I run the ELAD for FM captures during Eskip Openings
(6 mhz capture) and the Airspy SDR (for 8 mhz captures).  Running both
at the same and recording (to external drives) has been pretty flawless.

Keith



On 11/5/2016 10:40 PM, R. Colin Newell wrote:

On the Elad Store I was sure it was around 500EU or more... Will look
again.

Don't get me wrong - open to new things - the ELAD sample I'm using
just doesn't compete with the R8 or the 7030+. Maybe they are just hot
examples of 2 great receivers.

Products I'm using the Elad with:
QuadCore Lenovo T250, Toshiba netbook (chatters when anything other
than the Elad is running...) and a Dell AIO 7440 (worth $1400)

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC


On Nov 5, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Keith  wrote:

Ok...Love my ELAD.  Live in a very RF rich area (just south of Boston
MA).  Had a Drake R8A and loved it.  Got the Perseus and it beat the
R8A by a decent margin imho.  Then I bought the ELAD mainly for its
wide band FM capture capability.  Found that in most cases it's the
equal to or better than the Perseus especially in audio quality which
I find to be much softer on these aging ears than the Perseus.  The
one area I'd give the Perseus a big plus on was NDB dxng.

Also if you are only dxng MW (or NDB's and SW) and not FM then a
middle of the road laptop will suffice.  I purchased a refurb Lenovo
quad core a few years back for about $350 and it worked fine for
everything and wasn't too bad at handling the load for FM captures.
Also the ELAD is $519.00 USD ($695 Canadian) and not $1000.  A lot
less than the Perseus. The great part about the ELAD if you are an FM
dxer is that no external downcoverter is needed (like you need for
the Perseus) so no additional cost.

Keith McGinnis
Hingham MA
ELAD SDR with 50x100 switched termination superloop running NE/SW and
a Wellbrook 1530LNP Imperium along with a DX Engineering NCC1 Phaser
for LW, MW and SW.  2 Innov 11 element antennas with Bolin
Phase Box for FM


On 11/5/2016 9:19 PM, R. Colin Newell wrote:
There is a noticeable difference with audio quality between Laptops
and work stations.

Consider this: $1000 Elad + $1000 laptop gives you a decent set up...
But a 2nd hand Drake at $700 mops the floor with the Elad. Do the math.
I know SDR's are the future but the Elad or Perseus are paper
weights without a solid PC desktop or laptop.

If you run the Elad with the ATT off, there is "ADC" clipping,
whatever that is -- and I'm in a low signal area. The only choice is
clicking ATT ON. But no mention anywhere I could find what the
attenuation is.

No passband tuning with the Elad and without a high quality wheel
mouse or gaming mouse, actually operating the Elad is a two handed
operation.

Still 

[IRCA] S. AZ TPs, Sunday 11/6

[Steve Ratzlaff]

Sunrise here about 1344 utc. 1566 HLAZ at good level first noted earlier 
1258 utc, but also good again past sunrise, 1347 utc, lasting until 
about 1410 utc. 774 Japan very poor 1357 utc. 882 presumed KCBS Korea 
very poor 1347 utc. Still a number of hets across the whole band (except 
expanded band) at 1406 utc.


Steve AA7U

near Sahuarita, AZ

R75; 140' west DKAZ + FLG-100 preamp

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[IRCA] Oklahoma TP DX 11/6/16

[Richard N Allen]

This morning was pretty much the same as the past several days with one 
exception.  HLAZ-1566 was received with intermittent barely audible, but 
unintelligible, talk from 1257 until fading out at 1317.  There was QRM 
splatter from 100 kW nuisance XERF-1570.  I'm going to guess I finally 
witnessed the much talked about sunrise enhancement since local sunrise was at 
1259 and the signal peaked at 1307-1310.  The only other signals observed were 
heterodynes on 702 and 738 as well as a trace of something on 1116.  No other 
Asian signals were noted.

Richard Allen,
near Perry OK,
PL-380 + 8-inch FSL.

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[IRCA] HLAZ Nov 6, 2016

[Donald Barnes via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqT8kaVOVKc


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[IRCA] HLAZ Booming In

[Donald Barnes via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
At last, a TP! HLAZ with the best signal I've heard them with for quite some 
time. It's virtually at armchair level. No other detectable TPs. Not so much as 
a het from the JJ TPs. Haven't reported in a while due to zilch to report. 

Craig Barnes
Wheat Ridge, CO

Drake R8A Conti loop, ALA 1530ln

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Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

[Mark4]

I'm with you on this one Chuck.  I've been running Perseus for years with 
old garden-variety dual-core machines with nary a hiccup.


Mark Durenberger

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Hutton

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

Yet my cheapo ($60) Atom Z3735F tablets run Perseus SW with no problems.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Keith 


Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:57 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

http://shop.elad-usa.com/sdr-radio/fdm-s2/
[http://shop.elad-usa.com/images/products/fdm-s2.jpg]

Elad FDM-S2
shop.elad-usa.com
FDM-S2 is the second device born in our line ELAD SDR Samplers. Direct 
sampling receiver based on 122.88MHz 16bit single channel ADC converter 
covering HF 6m and ...





I found that you need to have a quad core running at least 2.5 ghz or so
to avoid any stuttering issues at full bandwidth of 2 mhz for MW.   Each
setup has it's own issues (I had mine early on with both the Perseus and
ELAD) and it takes time and patience.  But that being said I'll never go
back to desktop receiver like the Drake.  In fact I'll be putting my
Drake R8A, Grundig Sat 800 and a couple of others up on EBAY soon.  I
will keep my Eton E1 which comes very very close to the Drake in
performance.

I did use a Lenovo Ideapad (can't tell you which model right now...gave
it to my son earlier this year) but now I use an MSI G72 gaming laptop
(this was a little more money LOL..around $1100).  It has a high end i7
quad core processor running Win 10.  I upgraded mainly due to the fact
that in the summer I run the ELAD for FM captures during Eskip Openings
(6 mhz capture) and the Airspy SDR (for 8 mhz captures).  Running both
at the same and recording (to external drives) has been pretty flawless.

Keith



On 11/5/2016 10:40 PM, R. Colin Newell wrote:
On the Elad Store I was sure it was around 500EU or more... Will look 
again.


Don't get me wrong - open to new things - the ELAD sample I'm using just 
doesn't compete with the R8 or the 7030+. Maybe they are just hot examples 
of 2 great receivers.


Products I'm using the Elad with:
QuadCore Lenovo T250, Toshiba netbook (chatters when anything other than 
the Elad is running...) and a Dell AIO 7440 (worth $1400)


Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC


On Nov 5, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Keith  wrote:

Ok...Love my ELAD.  Live in a very RF rich area (just south of Boston 
MA).  Had a Drake R8A and loved it.  Got the Perseus and it beat the R8A 
by a decent margin imho.  Then I bought the ELAD mainly for its wide band 
FM capture capability.  Found that in most cases it's the equal to or 
better than the Perseus especially in audio quality which I find to be 
much softer on these aging ears than the Perseus.  The one area I'd give 
the Perseus a big plus on was NDB dxng.


Also if you are only dxng MW (or NDB's and SW) and not FM then a middle 
of the road laptop will suffice.  I purchased a refurb Lenovo quad core a 
few years back for about $350 and it worked fine for everything and 
wasn't too bad at handling the load for FM captures.  Also the ELAD is 
$519.00 USD ($695 Canadian) and not $1000.  A lot less than the Perseus. 
The great part about the ELAD if you are an FM dxer is that no external 
downcoverter is needed (like you need for the Perseus) so no additional 
cost.


Keith McGinnis
Hingham MA
ELAD SDR with 50x100 switched termination superloop running NE/SW and a 
Wellbrook 1530LNP Imperium along with a DX Engineering NCC1 Phaser for 
LW, MW and SW.  2 Innov 11 element antennas with Bolin Phase Box 
for FM



On 11/5/2016 9:19 PM, R. Colin Newell wrote:
There is a noticeable difference with audio quality between Laptops and 
work stations.


Consider this: $1000 Elad + $1000 laptop gives you a decent set up...
But a 2nd hand Drake at $700 mops the floor with the Elad. Do the math.
I know SDR's are the future but the Elad or Perseus are paper weights 
without a solid PC desktop or laptop.


If you run the Elad with the ATT off, there is "ADC" clipping, whatever 
that is -- and I'm in a low signal area. The only choice is clicking ATT 
ON. But no mention anywhere I could find what the attenuation is.


No passband tuning with the Elad and without a high quality wheel mouse 
or gaming mouse, actually operating the Elad is a two handed operation.


Still going to keep the comparison going. Gotta know.

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC


On Nov 5, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Walter Salmaniw  wrote:

I can't comment on the Elad, but the Perseus is superb.  Every bit as 
good
as any of the best 

Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[Nicholas Hall-Patch]

Hi Barry,

I don't know when you checked the  PEI DX Fishbarrel, but it should have
been running all night here, which would have included your local sunrise
in the UK.It will likely be offline during broad daylight here, but
will likely start up again around 1700UT to look for the pre-sunset fade
ins from across the Atlantic.

It did show evidence of carriers from Australia this morning (1116, 1548,
1611, 1638, 1701 etc), but was not able to dig any audio out during live
listening.   Maybe tomorrow.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Barry Davies  wrote:

>  Hello NickIs it possible to see earlier signal strengths say around local
> sunrise @ 0726UTC?
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Barry:-)
> Carlisle UK.  Lat. 55.0119N   Lon. 02.9672W.PERSEUS+Flag+Vactrol+
> FLG100amp.
>
>   From: Nicholas Hall-Patch 
>  To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016, 1:57
>  Subject: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish
>
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/test2/display1.htm
> will give you up to date 9 kHz signal strengths from PEI.  Big, but not as
> big as a couple of hours ago.
>
> best wishes,
>
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Re: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish

[Barry Davies]

 Hello NickIs it possible to see earlier signal strengths say around local 
sunrise @ 0726UTC?




Best wishes
Barry:-)  
Carlisle UK.  Lat. 55.0119N   Lon. 02.9672W.PERSEUS+Flag+Vactrol+FLG100amp.

  From: Nicholas Hall-Patch 
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
 
 Sent: Sunday, 6 November 2016, 1:57
 Subject: [IRCA] Fishbarrel harvesting big Atlantic fish
   
http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/test2/display1.htm
will give you up to date 9 kHz signal strengths from PEI.  Big, but not as
big as a couple of hours ago.

best wishes,

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Re: [IRCA] WC Nov 5 snapshot - SDR shoot-out

[Aaron Kreider]

Drake R8s are pretty cheap these days.  I'm selling mine for $450 (plus 
shipping) on Ebay.  Original owner.  Refurbished by the Drake R8 
manufacturer several years ago, and rarely used since

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drake-R8-Shortwave-Receiver-/291918828655

...

Selectivity: The good SDRs with 14-16 bit AD converters (Elad 2, 
Perseus, the most recent Winradios, QS1R) crush traditional (non-DSP) 
radios (even the $10k models) in terms of selectivity both in terms of 
the shape factor (I think we get close to 1.1?) and number of filters 
(unlimited). I'm not sure about ultimate rejection.  You can also get 
great selectivity with the cheap portable DSP radios (though they have 
other problems).


Stability - varies a lot.  I think if you want extreme stability you 
need an external reference.  Now where SDRs have the advantage is that 
you can apply a general offset to fix your accuracy.  You can use a time 
signal or other known stable signal to get your accuracy as high as 
possible.  So it's cheap accuracy.  I can measure carriers with accuracy 
of plus or minus 0.1 hz on the QS1R on MW (or plus or minus 0.2 hz if 
the station is coming from 2000+ miles) which is useful if you want to 
null or maximize a station in a pile of others.  I can also receive 
frequencies with 1 hz resolution (the Drake R8 was 10 hz accuracy).


Sensitivity: I think is a tie.  In both cases the radios have more than 
enough sensitivity when provided with a half-decent antenna (and in 
low-noise areas you want a good/long antenna anyways).


Software: A SDR can be dependent upon good software from the 
manufacturer.  The one advantage you have over non-SDRs is that there 
are some software like SDR Console V3 (which I think is the best) that 
handle most of the popular radios (though unfortunately not the QS1R, 
but I can use the HDSDR).  By contrast the Drake R8 manufacturers came 
out with a single update (on EPROM).  In general you can expect that 
your radio will improve over time due to new software, whereas with 
traditional radios it is less likely.  The custom QS1R software is very 
good - though they are unfortunately never going to improve their 
recording function due to the company having limited resources.  I also 
have an SDRPlay and their custom software is frankly extremely quirky 
and some of the worst User Interface design I've seen.  The Drake R8 
also suffers from a bad user interface which was only partially fixed by 
the second EPROM.


Dynamic Range: my QS1R seems to have about equal dynamic range with the 
Drake R8.  It might be better, as I never used the R8 with an amplified 
antenna nor living 1 mile from an AM station.


Frequency coverage: SDRs typically have wider coverage.  The QS1R goes 
from about 0 khz to 65 mhz and can be modded to receive up to 200 mhz or 
so (I haven't tried it).


Modes: SDRs excel at having more modes, including digital decoding. For 
instance, the QS1R (and others) can decode an entire band worth of CW 
simultaneously.


Notches: I think I can create ten customizable notches (set the 
frequency and width) as well as an automated notch.  That said, I 
normally only need one notch.


Noise reduction: I'm still hoping that SDRs will improve upon their 
noise reduction and blanking techniques.  I never use "Noise Reduction" 
and Noise Blanking is useful, but could be a lot better. I think there 
are ways to identify noise and cancel it out that haven't been tried.  
For instance, I think you should be able to cancel out lightning noise 
bursts or the noise from switching power supplies (maybe I'm a 
dreamer!).  In the future, I'm hopeful that software based antenna and 
receiver phasing will be more common.


Now I had a great time with my Drake R8, spending thousands of hours 
listening to radio stations - especially in the 1990s when the dials 
were full of radio stations, but now I've got limited space and am happy 
to go with an SDR.


Aaron

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