Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Volodya S]

Unfortunately, at least for me, this is no longer possible.   As an active
military base, and WWVH is located within the facility, one can no longer
just saunter on in for a visit!   73,   Walt (tried and didn't get
anywhere.although one work around might be to go through the gates to
gain access to the beach...which was available at certain times when I
checked, but only to Americans.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:10 PM Mike Sanburn  wrote:

> Glad you got to visit the Hawaii site Pat. I'd sure include that on my to
> do list. ms
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 11:20 PM, "Patrick Martin"  wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately I missed the CO convention, but Bob & I toured WWVH back
> in 1985 on our trip to Kauai. I sure hope they will continue.
> >
> > Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Mike Sanburn <
> mikesanb...@hotmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:38 PM
> > To: Russ Johnson; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of
> America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> longer
> >
> > 'Had the privilege of touring the WWV tower farm and transmitter
> building back in 1996 during the WTFDA convention which was held in
> Colorado. Wonderful station(s) that have served folks well for decades.   ms
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Johnson <
> radiok...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:06 PM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> longer
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Before we close the WWV discussion, I wanted to share a personal story
> > about WWV.
> >
> > The first house I grew up in was in Greenbelt, Maryland in the early
> 60’s..
> > This was right down the little two lane road from what would be the NASA
> > Goddard Space Flight Center and directly across the road from our house
> was
> > station WWV.  I mean right across the street.
> > The station manager and his family lived in an old house on the property
> > and I played with their kids from time to time.  I often walked up to the
> > WWV building.
> >
> > Meanwhile, we had tremendous RFI from WWV in everything electronics.  It
> > got into our phones, radios, even my play Remco telephone set!   As a 4-5
> > year old, I listened to WWV on our Zenith radio.  I listened to the ticks
> > and the announcements at the the top of the minute”Eastern Standard
> > Time - 1:05 pm.”   I would listen to the broadcasts for long stretches of
> > time as I looked at the clock on the wall.   This is how I learned how to
> > tell time.  True story.
> >
> > A few years later, after we moved to another town in Maryland, WWV
> > relocated to Colorado.
> >
> > I think my radio hobby is the result of massive RF exposure from WWV as a
> > young child. : )
> >
> > I can still see the building in my mind as clears as can be, with the
> white
> > WWV letters on the front.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Russ Johnson
> > Lexington NC
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:49 PM R. Colin Newell 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...
> >>
> >> Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM Lynn Hollerman via IRCA <
> >> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> >>> longer
> >>> Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
> >>> related
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Mike Sanburn]

Glad you got to visit the Hawaii site Pat. I'd sure include that on my to do 
list. ms 

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 1, 2018, at 11:20 PM, "Patrick Martin"  wrote:

> Unfortunately I missed the CO convention, but Bob & I toured WWVH back in 
> 1985 on our trip to Kauai. I sure hope they will continue.
> 
> Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager
> 
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Mike Sanburn 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:38 PM
> To: Russ Johnson; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer
> 
> 'Had the privilege of touring the WWV tower farm and transmitter building 
> back in 1996 during the WTFDA convention which was held in Colorado. 
> Wonderful station(s) that have served folks well for decades.   ms
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Johnson 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:06 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Before we close the WWV discussion, I wanted to share a personal story
> about WWV.
> 
> The first house I grew up in was in Greenbelt, Maryland in the early 60’s..
> This was right down the little two lane road from what would be the NASA
> Goddard Space Flight Center and directly across the road from our house was
> station WWV.  I mean right across the street.
> The station manager and his family lived in an old house on the property
> and I played with their kids from time to time.  I often walked up to the
> WWV building.
> 
> Meanwhile, we had tremendous RFI from WWV in everything electronics.  It
> got into our phones, radios, even my play Remco telephone set!   As a 4-5
> year old, I listened to WWV on our Zenith radio.  I listened to the ticks
> and the announcements at the the top of the minute”Eastern Standard
> Time - 1:05 pm.”   I would listen to the broadcasts for long stretches of
> time as I looked at the clock on the wall.   This is how I learned how to
> tell time.  True story.
> 
> A few years later, after we moved to another town in Maryland, WWV
> relocated to Colorado.
> 
> I think my radio hobby is the result of massive RF exposure from WWV as a
> young child. : )
> 
> I can still see the building in my mind as clears as can be, with the white
> WWV letters on the front.
> 
> 73
> 
> Russ Johnson
> Lexington NC
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:49 PM R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...
>> 
>> Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM Lynn Hollerman via IRCA <
>> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
>>> longer
>>> Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
>>> related
>> --
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>>  and DXer.ca  -
>> VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Patrick Martin]

Unfortunately I missed the CO convention, but Bob & I toured WWVH back in 1985 
on our trip to Kauai. I sure hope they will continue.

Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager


From: IRCA  on behalf of Mike Sanburn 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:38 PM
To: Russ Johnson; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

'Had the privilege of touring the WWV tower farm and transmitter building back 
in 1996 during the WTFDA convention which was held in Colorado. Wonderful 
station(s) that have served folks well for decades.   ms

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Johnson 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:06 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

Hi,

Before we close the WWV discussion, I wanted to share a personal story
about WWV.

The first house I grew up in was in Greenbelt, Maryland in the early 60’s..
This was right down the little two lane road from what would be the NASA
Goddard Space Flight Center and directly across the road from our house was
station WWV.  I mean right across the street.
The station manager and his family lived in an old house on the property
and I played with their kids from time to time.  I often walked up to the
WWV building.

Meanwhile, we had tremendous RFI from WWV in everything electronics.  It
got into our phones, radios, even my play Remco telephone set!   As a 4-5
year old, I listened to WWV on our Zenith radio.  I listened to the ticks
and the announcements at the the top of the minute”Eastern Standard
Time - 1:05 pm.”   I would listen to the broadcasts for long stretches of
time as I looked at the clock on the wall.   This is how I learned how to
tell time.  True story.

A few years later, after we moved to another town in Maryland, WWV
relocated to Colorado.

I think my radio hobby is the result of massive RF exposure from WWV as a
young child. : )

I can still see the building in my mind as clears as can be, with the white
WWV letters on the front.

73

Russ Johnson
Lexington NC

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:49 PM R. Colin Newell 
wrote:

> Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...
>
> Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM Lynn Hollerman via IRCA <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> > longer
> > Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
> > related
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Richard N. Allen via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
I must confess I haven’t tuned into WWV in over a decade, but I do use the time 
signal from WWVB every moment of everyday.  I image the current Kavanaugh 
hearings and its investigation by the FBI is costing us far more than the 
current and future annual operating cost of the time signal stations.  Our 
government will figure out a way to squander the money on far more useless 
means.

Richard Allen

Sent from my iPad


Sent from my iPad--- End Message ---
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Mike Sanburn]

'Had the privilege of touring the WWV tower farm and transmitter building back 
in 1996 during the WTFDA convention which was held in Colorado. Wonderful 
station(s) that have served folks well for decades.   ms

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Johnson 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:06 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

Hi,

Before we close the WWV discussion, I wanted to share a personal story
about WWV.

The first house I grew up in was in Greenbelt, Maryland in the early 60’s..
This was right down the little two lane road from what would be the NASA
Goddard Space Flight Center and directly across the road from our house was
station WWV.  I mean right across the street.
The station manager and his family lived in an old house on the property
and I played with their kids from time to time.  I often walked up to the
WWV building.

Meanwhile, we had tremendous RFI from WWV in everything electronics.  It
got into our phones, radios, even my play Remco telephone set!   As a 4-5
year old, I listened to WWV on our Zenith radio.  I listened to the ticks
and the announcements at the the top of the minute”Eastern Standard
Time - 1:05 pm.”   I would listen to the broadcasts for long stretches of
time as I looked at the clock on the wall.   This is how I learned how to
tell time.  True story.

A few years later, after we moved to another town in Maryland, WWV
relocated to Colorado.

I think my radio hobby is the result of massive RF exposure from WWV as a
young child. : )

I can still see the building in my mind as clears as can be, with the white
WWV letters on the front.

73

Russ Johnson
Lexington NC

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:49 PM R. Colin Newell 
wrote:

> Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...
>
> Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM Lynn Hollerman via IRCA <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> > longer
> > Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
> > related
> >
> >
> --
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[DXer]

>Waytago Rick 

He's in moderated mode now. LOL

>ICOM 7300 wth a Superloop

It's not every day that I see a radio listener mention he/she uses a 
hamradio transceiver as one of their receivers.


I have an IC-7300 as well, and agree it's a fabulous receiver. It 
combines, in my opinion, the best of both worlds. An SDR that does not 
need a computer, and looks and feel like a traditional 'knobbed' receiver.


Regards,

Vince
Ottawa, ON
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Forrester S]

Waytago Rick 

Todd Skaine
ICOM 7300 wth a Superloop
2 Modified 2010s barefoot
Toyota car radio

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:58 PM Rick Dau  wrote:

> Wow, did I ever open up a can of worms with this one...
>
> This is practically entertaining to see everyone get their blood pressure
> up over this issue.  Amusing, really.  :)
>
> *sits back with a bowl of popcorn and watches the fur fly*
>
> 73,
> Rick Dau
> South Omaha, Nebraska EN21af
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S <
> can...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:51:52 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> longer
>
> Says he, when the moment there's a huge solar storm, or, God help us, a
> larger global event between powers, you can bet your bottom dollar that
> satellites will be knocked off like flies on my swatter!Walt
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:49 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
> > more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff
> >
> > Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
> > satelitte stuff worked FINE
> >
> > Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly
> going
> > away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
> > give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
> >  Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users..
> when
> > again, satelitte stuff is much better?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs
> > you,
> > > as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned
> tax
> > > dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> > > PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should
> > just
> > > > piss away a couple million bucks?
> > > >
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It
> > is
> > > > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and
> > sometimes
> > > > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the
> > North
> > > > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can
> > happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes
> make a
> > > > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using
> it
> > > > > anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with
> pennies,
> > > > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> > > things,
> > > > > i.e., the US budget?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Vince
> > > > > Ottawa, ON
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > > > > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
> > > > > private endevours only. At a government level, other factors
> usually
> > > > > come into play.
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Russ Johnson]

Hi,

Before we close the WWV discussion, I wanted to share a personal story
about WWV.

The first house I grew up in was in Greenbelt, Maryland in the early 60’s.
This was right down the little two lane road from what would be the NASA
Goddard Space Flight Center and directly across the road from our house was
station WWV.  I mean right across the street.
The station manager and his family lived in an old house on the property
and I played with their kids from time to time.  I often walked up to the
WWV building.

Meanwhile, we had tremendous RFI from WWV in everything electronics.  It
got into our phones, radios, even my play Remco telephone set!   As a 4-5
year old, I listened to WWV on our Zenith radio.  I listened to the ticks
and the announcements at the the top of the minute”Eastern Standard
Time - 1:05 pm.”   I would listen to the broadcasts for long stretches of
time as I looked at the clock on the wall.   This is how I learned how to
tell time.  True story.

A few years later, after we moved to another town in Maryland, WWV
relocated to Colorado.

I think my radio hobby is the result of massive RF exposure from WWV as a
young child. : )

I can still see the building in my mind as clears as can be, with the white
WWV letters on the front.

73

Russ Johnson
Lexington NC

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:49 PM R. Colin Newell 
wrote:

> Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...
>
> Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:46 PM Lynn Hollerman via IRCA <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> > longer
> > Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
> > related
> >
> >
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[R. Colin Newell]

Agreed - We should celebrate that we have what we have...

Now back to the endless battle against the evil RFI! :-)

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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit
> longer
> Guys...before this goes off on a tangent, remember to keep it DX
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> On Sep 30, 2018, at 2:25 PM, R. Colin Newell  wrote:
> 
> What Walt said...
> 
> Having Melanomia Trump park her perky bottom in NYC costs more in SS costs 
> than NIST. 
> 
> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Volodya S  wrote:
>> 
>> Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs you,
>> as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
>> dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
>> PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
>> 
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[DXer]

I think I read it some time ago on the BBC web site that typewriters 
were making a comeback in the kremlin, for the 'processing' of top 
secret documents.


My point again is that there are savings that are worth it, and 
'savings' that are not. New technology is not always better just because 
it's new. Governments can be bad spenders, and even worse savers.


Bringing this back to radio, albeit FM, wasn't there a considerable 
'unintended' consequence when one of the nordic countries ended FM 
broadcasting? Anybody seen it, and remember the details?


Vince
Ottawa, ON

===
Nicholas Hall-Patch Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:16:10 -0700

Welcome back LORAN?   It was finished in 2010, so they say.

best wishes,

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[R. Colin Newell]

What Walt said...

Having Melanomia Trump park her perky bottom in NYC costs more in SS costs than 
NIST. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Volodya S  wrote:
> 
> Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs you,
> as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
> dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
> 
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[R. Colin Newell]

Paul - your not paying attention. 

You’re staying after school son! 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
> more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff
> 
> Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
> satelitte stuff worked FINE
> 
> Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly going
> away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
> give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
> Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users.. when
> again, satelitte stuff is much better?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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[R. Colin Newell]

Post of the day! Love it! :-) 

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> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Rick Dau  wrote:
> 
> Wow, did I ever open up a can of worms with this one...
> 
> This is practically entertaining to see everyone get their blood pressure up 
> over this issue.  Amusing, really.  :)
> 
> *sits back with a bowl of popcorn and watches the fur fly*
> 
> 73,
> Rick Dau
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[Nicholas Hall-Patch]

for more on the topic of GPS and the potential for loss of its use:

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/push-return-eloran-radio-navigation-systems-hackers-target-gps-2017-08/

http://gpsworld.com/edloran-the-next-gen-loran/ has some fairly deep
technical background which I haven't started to absorb yet.

Welcome back LORAN?   It was finished in 2010, so they say.

best wishes,

Nick


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:41 PM DXer  wrote:

>  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
>
>  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is
>  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
>
>
> You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and sometimes
> is, blocked/interfered with.
>
> It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the North
> was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can happen.
>
> We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> anymore.
>
> I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of things,
> i.e., the US budget?
>
> Regards,
>
> Vince
> Ottawa, ON
>
> P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
>
> P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
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[Mark Pettifor]

My personal opinion is that it is a matter of when, not if, the global 
powers come to blows.


Given that, which tech is more easily taken out of service? I would bet 
satellite will be among the first to go.


I would hope that our military has a "Plan B" for when all their 
high-tech, modern, "smart" warfaring devices are taken offline in an EMP 
flash.


Did (or does) NIST in Boulder provide any mission-critical services that 
our military relies upon, either for current ops, or a "Plan B"? If so, 
then the expenditure to keep it open is well worth it.


Mark

On 2018-09-30 2:51 pm, Volodya S wrote:

Says he, when the moment there's a huge solar storm, or, God help us, a
larger global event between powers, you can bet your bottom dollar that
satellites will be knocked off like flies on my swatter!Walt

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:49 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:

I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's 
alot

more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff

Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
satelitte stuff worked FINE

Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly 
going
away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public 
doesn't

give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
 Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users.. 
when

again, satelitte stuff is much better?

Paul


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs
you,
> as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
> dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should
just
> > piss away a couple million bucks?
> >
> > paul
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> >
> > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > >
> > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It
is
> > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > >
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and
sometimes
> > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > >
> > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the
North
> > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can
happen.
> > >
> > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> > > anymore.
> > >
> > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> things,
> > > i.e., the US budget?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Vince
> > > Ottawa, ON
> > >
> > > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> > >
> > > P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
> > > private endevours only. At a government level, other factors usually
> > > come into play.
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[Rick Dau]

Wow, did I ever open up a can of worms with this one...

This is practically entertaining to see everyone get their blood pressure up 
over this issue.  Amusing, really.  :)

*sits back with a bowl of popcorn and watches the fur fly*

73,
Rick Dau
South Omaha, Nebraska EN21af

From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:51:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

Says he, when the moment there's a huge solar storm, or, God help us, a
larger global event between powers, you can bet your bottom dollar that
satellites will be knocked off like flies on my swatter!Walt

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:49 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
> more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff
>
> Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
> satelitte stuff worked FINE
>
> Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly going
> away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
> give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
>  Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users.. when
> again, satelitte stuff is much better?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs
> you,
> > as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
> > dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> > PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should
> just
> > > piss away a couple million bucks?
> > >
> > > paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> > >
> > > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > > >
> > > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It
> is
> > > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and
> sometimes
> > > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > > >
> > > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the
> North
> > > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can
> happen.
> > > >
> > > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> > > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> > > > anymore.
> > > >
> > > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> > > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> > things,
> > > > i.e., the US budget?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Vince
> > > > Ottawa, ON
> > > >
> > > > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > > > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> > > >
> > > > P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
> > > > private endevours only. At a government level, other factors usually
> > > > come into play.
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[DXer]

Individuals, as well as governments, should never put all 'eggs in one 
basket'.


Vince
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[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

a huge solar storm will knock out HF too.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:52 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> Says he, when the moment there's a huge solar storm, or, God help us, a
> larger global event between powers, you can bet your bottom dollar that
> satellites will be knocked off like flies on my swatter!Walt
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:49 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
> > more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff
> >
> > Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
> > satelitte stuff worked FINE
> >
> > Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly
> going
> > away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
> > give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
> >  Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users..
> when
> > again, satelitte stuff is much better?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs
> > you,
> > > as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned
> tax
> > > dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> > > PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should
> > just
> > > > piss away a couple million bucks?
> > > >
> > > > paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It
> > is
> > > > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and
> > sometimes
> > > > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the
> > North
> > > > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can
> > happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes
> make a
> > > > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using
> it
> > > > > anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with
> pennies,
> > > > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> > > things,
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Volodya S]

Says he, when the moment there's a huge solar storm, or, God help us, a
larger global event between powers, you can bet your bottom dollar that
satellites will be knocked off like flies on my swatter!Walt

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:49 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
> more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff
>
> Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
> satelitte stuff worked FINE
>
> Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly going
> away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
> give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
>  Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users.. when
> again, satelitte stuff is much better?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs
> you,
> > as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
> > dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> > PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should
> just
> > > piss away a couple million bucks?
> > >
> > > paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> > >
> > > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > > >
> > > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It
> is
> > > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and
> sometimes
> > > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > > >
> > > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the
> North
> > > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can
> happen.
> > > >
> > > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> > > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> > > > anymore.
> > > >
> > > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> > > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> > things,
> > > > i.e., the US budget?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Vince
> > > > Ottawa, ON
> > > >
> > > > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > > > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> > > >
> > > > P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[DXer]

I don't know, you tell us?!

Re-read the last paragraph of my post, and the P.S.s

Governments are also known to 'save' poorly.

Vince
Ottawa, ON

===

Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sun, 30 Sep 2018 11:43:57 -0700

So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should just
piss away a couple million bucks?

paul

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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

I dont agree with it being wizzed away on that either.  But there's alot
more reliable technology then HF for this kinda stuff

Says a guy who lived in Alaska where HF was weak at best some days but
satelitte stuff worked FINE

Face it, the only folks I've seen complaining about WWV WWVH possibly going
away is a bunch of DX'ers and ham radio guys. THe general public doesn't
give a rats ass and doesn't need or use the service for the most part.
 Why spent millions every year for a few thousand commercials users.. when
again, satelitte stuff is much better?

Paul


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs you,
> as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
> dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
> PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should just
> > piss away a couple million bucks?
> >
> > paul
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
> >
> > >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> > >
> > >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is
> > >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> > >
> > >
> > > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and sometimes
> > > is, blocked/interfered with.
> > >
> > > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the North
> > > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can happen.
> > >
> > > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> > > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> > > anymore.
> > >
> > > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> > > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of
> things,
> > > i.e., the US budget?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Vince
> > > Ottawa, ON
> > >
> > > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> > >
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> > > private endevours only. At a government level, other factors usually
> > > come into play.
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Larry R Fravel]

Better "pissing it away" on this this than the grants they pass out for 
studying the mating habits of yellow tendrilled ameba and other useless 
crap.  At least this serves purpose. Or maybe we should keep giving out 
money to countries that do not and never will like us.


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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Volodya S]

Just think of what all of Trumps weekend golf trips to Key Largo costs you,
as an American taxpayer.  Yep, continue to piss away your hard earned tax
dollars ;-) Walt (and glad to be a Canadian)
PS:  sorry to be off topic.   Won't happen again :-)

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
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> So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should just
> piss away a couple million bucks?
>
> paul
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:
>
> >  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
> >
> >  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is
> >  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
> >
> >
> > You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and sometimes
> > is, blocked/interfered with.
> >
> > It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the North
> > was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can happen.
> >
> > We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> > come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> > anymore.
> >
> > I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> > but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of things,
> > i.e., the US budget?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vince
> > Ottawa, ON
> >
> > P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> > money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
> >
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

So just because its a drop in the bucket of the US budget we should just
piss away a couple million bucks?

paul


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM DXer  wrote:

>  >Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700
>
>  >The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is
>  >the primary basis of navigation systems for both.
>
>
> You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and sometimes
> is, blocked/interfered with.
>
> It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the North
> was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can happen.
>
> We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a
> come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it
> anymore.
>
> I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies,
> but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of things,
> i.e., the US budget?
>
> Regards,
>
> Vince
> Ottawa, ON
>
> P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved
> money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.
>
> P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to
> private endevours only. At a government level, other factors usually
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[DXer]

>Chuck Hutton Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:54:45 -0700

>The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is 
>the primary basis of navigation systems for both.



You beat me to it, however, it must be said that it can, and sometimes 
is, blocked/interfered with.


It was around 2012, I was flying into Seoul, Souht Korea, and the North 
was jamming the GPS signal. Localized, fair enough, but it can happen.


We tend to always favor new technology, but old ones sometimes make a 
come back, either for simplicity, or because nobody else is using it 
anymore.


I'm well aware that overtime you can fill a piggie bank with pennies, 
but what's the percentage of this expense in the grand scheme of things, 
i.e., the US budget?


Regards,

Vince
Ottawa, ON

P.S.1. Ending Radio Canada International's shortwave service saved 
money, but I'm still wondering if the savings were worth it.


P.S.2. I'm of the opinion that 'straight' savings are applicable to 
private endevours only. At a government level, other factors usually 
come into play.

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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Chuck Hutton]

The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is the 
primary basis of navigation systems for both.

Assuming you live in a covered area, it's weakness is that it can be jammed but 
I suppose hobbyists don'r have to worry about that.

Chuck

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Sorry — not always reliable Paul.

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
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> That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell 
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>> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers,
>> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
>>
>> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
>>
>> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
>> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff...
>>> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
>>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
>>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
>>> .several million, I won't be sad.
>>>
>>> Paul

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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[JOHN FISHER]

Guys, I am with Paul on this one. I cant remember the last time that I used WWV 
etc for accurate time. If I want accurate time I will go to GPS. If am out of 
ange of GPS, I am probably out of range of WWV and likely would not have 
brought a radio for checking time by HF.

Sadly, other than WWVB for some clocks and scientific needs, the time for this 
government funded service has passed and new technology can do as good a job.


Cheers


John

On 09/30/18, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."   wrote:
> More reliable then HF.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry — not always reliable Paul.
> >
> > Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> >
> > > On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists,
> > jewelers,
> > >> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
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> > stuff...
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> > >>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
> > >>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
> > >>> .several million, I won't be sad.
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Volodya S]

Not at all.  One can virtually always count on one of the frequencies
propagating2.5, 5, 10, 15, 20, or 25 MHz.   One or more always get
throughWalt

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 4:43 PM Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> More reliable then HF.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry — not always reliable Paul.
> >
> > Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> >
> > > On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell <
> coffeecan...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists,
> > jewelers,
> > >> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
> > >>
> > >> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
> > >>
> > >> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> > >> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and
> > stuff...
> > >>> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and
> WWVH
> > >>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some
> propagation
> > >>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
> > >>> .several million, I won't be sad.
> > >>>
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Volodya S]

Colin beat me to it!   You really only speak from your experience, Paul.
For those of us that have traveled the world, to the most remote regions,
and where we need to have exact time measurements, WWV/WWVH has been the
most reliable source.  I use it daily (as well as WWVB, of course)73,
Walt

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> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers,
> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
>
> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
>
> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>
> > On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff..
> > but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
> > serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
> > checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
> > .several million, I won't be sad.
> >
> > Paul
> >>
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

More reliable then HF.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:42 PM R. Colin Newell 
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> Sorry — not always reliable Paul.
>
> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>
> > On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists,
> jewelers,
> >> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
> >>
> >> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
> >>
> >> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> >>
> >>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> >> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and
> stuff...
> >>> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
> >>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
> >>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
> >>> .several million, I won't be sad.
> >>>
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

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Sorry — not always reliable Paul. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers,
>> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
>> 
>> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
>> 
>> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
>> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff...
>>> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
>>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
>>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
>>> .several million, I won't be sad.
>>> 
>>> Paul
 
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for.

Paul

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> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers,
> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
>
> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
>
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>
> > On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff..
> > but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
> > serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
> > checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[R. Colin Newell]

Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers, yes 
hams, soldiers, etc...

I’m sure the list is longer than you think. 

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff..
> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff..
but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
.several million, I won't be sad.

Paul

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:05 PM Rick Dau  wrote:

>
>
> Good news for us as DXers who rely so much on WWV.  Sounds like it and
> WWVH have gotten a stay of execution.  But we'll eventually have to adjust
> to life without them.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Rick Dau
>
> South Omaha, Nebraska
>
> 
> From: ndbl...@groups.io  on behalf of Bill Riches <
> bill.ric...@verizon.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 3:47 PM
> To: ndb
> Subject: [ndblist] NIST Funding
>
>
> Funding for the US Department of Commerce, which includes NIST and WWV /
> WWVH / WWVB, was authorized through December 7th, 2018 as part of the
> Continuing Resolution component of the Defense / Education / HHS / Labor
> FY2019 funding bill that was approved by the House on September 26 and
> signed by President Trump yesterday, September 28th.
>
>
>
> This averted an end-of-Fiscal-year shutdown that had been mildly
> threatened in the past few months.
>
>
>
> This approach kicks the can down the road until December 7th -- it funds
> all agencies at the same levels they received in FY 2018 for all continuing
> activities -- which would include the time stations because there was no
> Congressional or Agency action to shut them down in FY18.
>
>
>
> This date could mean that no actions will be taken until after mid-term
> elections, though that's not known for a fact.
>
>
>
> Details on the bill as passed and signed:
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6157/text
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Bill, WA2DVU
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[IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Rick Dau]

Good news for us as DXers who rely so much on WWV.  Sounds like it and WWVH 
have gotten a stay of execution.  But we'll eventually have to adjust to life 
without them.



73,

Rick Dau

South Omaha, Nebraska


From: ndbl...@groups.io  on behalf of Bill Riches 

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 3:47 PM
To: ndb
Subject: [ndblist] NIST Funding


Funding for the US Department of Commerce, which includes NIST and WWV / WWVH / 
WWVB, was authorized through December 7th, 2018 as part of the Continuing 
Resolution component of the Defense / Education / HHS / Labor FY2019 funding 
bill that was approved by the House on September 26 and signed by President 
Trump yesterday, September 28th.



This averted an end-of-Fiscal-year shutdown that had been mildly threatened in 
the past few months.



This approach kicks the can down the road until December 7th -- it funds all 
agencies at the same levels they received in FY 2018 for all continuing 
activities -- which would include the time stations because there was no 
Congressional or Agency action to shut them down in FY18.



This date could mean that no actions will be taken until after mid-term 
elections, though that's not known for a fact.



Details on the bill as passed and signed:  
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6157/text



73,



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