Re: [isabelle-dev] Default simprules for division in fields

2014-04-06 Thread Tobias Nipkow
You can use algebra_simps for everything up to and including rings. Field_simps
is separate because it can rearrange your formula dramatically by multiplying
with all the denominators - you don't always want that.

Tobias

On 07/04/2014 03:11, Thomas Sewell wrote:
> This makes me realise that I may have been misunderstanding field_simps. I've
> been using it as a replacement after ring_simps disappeared a while ago. It
> always struck me as odd, since I'm nearly always in a word type, which is a 
> ring
> but not a field.
> 
> Is it just a coincidence that field_simps usually does what I want?
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas.
> 
> On 05/04/14 03:09, Tobias Nipkow wrote:
>> I set up field_simps to yield a decision procedure for field equality, 
>> provided
>> all denominators can be proved to be 0. Hence I am sceptical if adding new 
>> rules
>> to it is a good idea. Florian, can you give an example where previously
>> field_simps was too weak but with the two additional rules it works?
>>
>> Tobias
>>
>> On 04/04/2014 17:37, Lawrence Paulson wrote:
>>> A very good idea, which reduces the impact of the change on existing proofs.
>>> I am trying it out now.
>>>
>>> Seeing no objections, I am quite likely to push this change later today.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On 4 Apr 2014, at 15:08, Florian Haftmann
>>>  wrote:
>>>
> lemma divide_minus_left [simp]: "(-a) / b = - (a / b)"
> lemma divide_minus_right [simp]: "a / - b = - (a / b)”
>
> It would be a mistake to reorient the simprules, but I am suggesting that
> they should not be declared as simprules with either orientation.
 Maybe
> lemma divide_minus_left [field_simps]: "(-a) / b = - (a / b)"
> lemma divide_minus_right [field_simps]: "a / - b = - (a / b)”
 instead?

 Florian

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Re: [isabelle-dev] Default simprules for division in fields

2014-04-06 Thread Thomas Sewell
This makes me realise that I may have been misunderstanding field_simps. 
I've been using it as a replacement after ring_simps disappeared a while 
ago. It always struck me as odd, since I'm nearly always in a word type, 
which is a ring but not a field.


Is it just a coincidence that field_simps usually does what I want?

Cheers,
Thomas.

On 05/04/14 03:09, Tobias Nipkow wrote:

I set up field_simps to yield a decision procedure for field equality, provided
all denominators can be proved to be 0. Hence I am sceptical if adding new rules
to it is a good idea. Florian, can you give an example where previously
field_simps was too weak but with the two additional rules it works?

Tobias

On 04/04/2014 17:37, Lawrence Paulson wrote:

A very good idea, which reduces the impact of the change on existing proofs. I 
am trying it out now.

Seeing no objections, I am quite likely to push this change later today.

Larry

On 4 Apr 2014, at 15:08, Florian Haftmann 
 wrote:


lemma divide_minus_left [simp]: "(-a) / b = - (a / b)"
lemma divide_minus_right [simp]: "a / - b = - (a / b)”

It would be a mistake to reorient the simprules, but I am suggesting that they 
should not be declared as simprules with either orientation.

Maybe

lemma divide_minus_left [field_simps]: "(-a) / b = - (a / b)"
lemma divide_minus_right [field_simps]: "a / - b = - (a / b)”

instead?

Florian

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