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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: The Doctrine of the "TRINITY" The Doctrine of the TRINITY [From the work of: H. M. Baagil, M.D.] The following discussion give some light to a small discussion about the 'doctrine of the trinity' between a Muslim and a Christian friend, may help us to imagine the dialogue that takes place now: MUSLIM: Do you believe in the Trinity?CHRISTIAN:
Sure;
it is written in the First Epistle of John (5:7 and 8): "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the
Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear
witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three
agree in one." MUSLIM:
Oh,
that is in the King James Version, authorized in 1611, and formed the strongest
evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
one," has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of
1952 and 1971 and in many other Bibles, as it was a gloss that had encroached on
the Greek text. I John 5:7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible reads as
follows: "And it is the Spirit who bears witness,
because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit
and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." Also,
in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah's
Witnesses, you will find: "For there are three witness
bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in
agreement." I can understand if you don't
know that this important part has been removed, but I wonder why many ministers
and preachers are not aware of this. The Trinity is not Biblical. The word Trinity is not even in the Bible or Bible
dictionaries, was never taught by Jesus and
was never mentioned by him. There is no basis or proof in the Bible whatsoever
for the acceptance of the Trinity. CHRISTIAN: But in Matthew 28:19 we still find: baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. This part is not removed
yet; is this not a proof of the Trinity? MUSLIM: No. If you mention three persons are sitting or eating together,
does it mean that they are forming one person? No. The formulation of the
Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from Because Christianity had deviated a long way from the
original teachings of Jesus. God then sent as part of His original plan His last
Prophet, Muhammad [peace be upon him], as revivalist, to restore all these
changes. The Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era; pork is not
prohibited; circumcision abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2): "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised,
Christ shall profit you nothing." The Holy Quran warns in Chapter 5:73: "Surely they are nonbelievers, those who said: 'Allah is one
of the three in a Trinity. But there is none who has the right to be worshiped
but one God (i.e. Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily a
painful torment will befall the nonbelievers among
them." Do you still believe in the Trinity which was never taught by
Jesus? CHRISTIAN:
But
God and Jesus are one (John l4:11): "Believe me that I
am in the Father, and the Father in
me." MUSLIM:
Read
then John 17:2 1. CHRISTIAN:
"That they (the disciples) all may be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us . .
" MUSLIM:
It is
clear here that God and Jesus are one, but also that the disciples are one in
Jesus and God. If Jesus is God because he is in God, why are the disciples then
not God, as they all are like Jesus also in God? If God, Jesus and the Holy
Ghost form one unit of Trinity, then with the disciples included they should
form a God unit of fifteen. CHRISTIAN:
But
Jesus is God according to john 14:9: "he that hath seen
me hath seen the Father." MUSLIM:
See to the context now - - what is before and after this: (John
14:8): "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the
Father, and it sufficeth us." (John
14:9): "Jesus saith unto him, have I been so long
time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hast
seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Father?" So
finally Jesus asked Philip how to show the appearance of God to the disciples,
which is not possible. You should believe in God by admiring his creation: the
sun, the moon, all creation, and Jesus himself who was created by God. He said
(John Our Holy Quran says (Surah 5:103):
"Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He
comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtile, the
Aware." CHRISTIAN:
To be
honest, it is difficult to deny what has been taught to us since
childhood. MUSLIM: Maybe the following questions will give you a better understanding
of the Trinity: What is the Holy Spirit? CHRISTIAN:
The
Holy Spirit which is the Holy Ghost, is also God. We are taught, the Father is
God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God. We are not allowed to say Three
Gods, but One God. MUSLIM:
Read
Matthew 1:18. CHRISTIAN:
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his
mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found
with child of the Holy Ghost." MUSLIM:
Compare
now with Luke CHRISTIAN: "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a
city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was
Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was
Mary." MUSLIM: So in the miraculous birth of Jesus, Matthew mentioned the Holy
Ghost and Luke mentioned the angel Gabriel. What is the Holy Ghost
then? CHRISTIAN:
The
Holy Ghost is then the angel Gabriel. MUSLIM: Do you still believe in the Trinity
now? CHRISTIAN: Then God is God, the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit is the angel
Gabriel, and Jesus is
MUSLIM: Let me help you: Jesus is a Prophet, son of
Mary. CHRISTIAN: How can you solve what we call a
mystery? MUSLIM: We use the Holy Quran as the standard to correct changes made by
men in the previously revealed scriptures. If you can now believe in One God,
and Jesus, son of Mary, as a Prophet, why don't you go one step further and
accept Muhammad as the Last Messenger? Read with me the Shahadah or Witness
(Testimony), first in English, then in
Arabic. CHRISTIAN: I bear witness that there is no deity except Allah, Who has no
partner, and Muhammad is His slave servant and messenger. Ash-hadu an-la Ilaha
illal-Lahu wahdahu la shareekalahu wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa
rasuluhu. But what about my great-grandparents? I would like to stay with
them they were all Christians. MUSLIM:
Abraham
had left his parents and great-grand parents when the Truth, i.e. Islam, was
revealed to him: Everyone is responsible for himself. Maybe the Truth hadnt
come to your ancestors as clearly as it comes to you now. The Holy Quran says in
Chapter So the truth has come to you now and it is up to
you. CHRISTIAN:
Is it
not possible to accept both Islam and Christianity? MUSLIM: There is no compulsion in religion. You can do whatever you want.
But if you combine both faiths, you haven't surrendered to Allah yet. You are
still a disbeliever, as He states in Chapter 4:150-15?: "Verily those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and
wish to make distinction between Allah and His messengers [by believing in Allah
and disbelieving in His messengers I saying, We believe in some and reject
others; and wish to take a way in between [this and] that: They are disbelievers
in truth. And We have prepared for disbelievers a humiliating torment. To those
who believe in Allah and His messengers and make no distinction between any of
them [messengers], We shall give them their rewards, and Allah is ever
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." You may later agree with me if we discuss
further. CHRISTIAN:
Is it
not better that we do not make any Confession or Shahadah, so that we are not
committed? MUSLIM: As soon as you reach adulthood and you are mentally competent, you
are then committed whether you make the Shahadah or not. Allah created this
world not for nothing. He has supplied you with the organs to differentiate
between right and wrong. He has sent many Prophets as warners. We are created to
worship Him and that we may compete with each other in good deeds in this
world. Quran, Chapter 3:191: ". . . Our
Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, Glory to You! . .
" Quran, Chapter 90:8-10: "Have We
not made for him [mankind] a pair of eyes? And a tongue and a pair of lips? And
shown him the two ways [good and evil]?" Quran, Chapter 51:56: "And I created not
the Jinns and mankind except they should worship Me [alone]." Every
deed for the pleasure of Allah is worship. Quran, Chapter 18:7: "Verily! We have made that which is on earth as an adoration for it [the earth] in order that We may test them [mankind] as to which of them is better in deeds."
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