Re: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings

2008-06-15 Thread PP A Latheef
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Is it better we come under one Muslim leadership than agree the leadership
of Mushriks, Kuffars and their agenda?

JIH is working to establish the Deen in this world according to Qur'anic
order. Do you agree with this Aya and the need of it? And do you agree with
me the following? If any thing there to prove your word from Qur'an and
Sunna or from the opinion of Islamic scholars are welcome.

He hath ordained for you that religion which He commended unto Noah, and
that which We inspire in thee (Muhammad), and that which We commended unto
Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and be not
divided therein. Dreadful for the idolaters is that unto which thou callest
them. Allah chooseth for Himself whom He will, and guideth unto Himself him
who turneth (toward Him). (42:13)



JIH believe the implementation of Allah's Law/Hukm should be in whole life
of a Muslim to be a Muslim. So it include, social, political, economical,
and spiritual aspect of a human life.



The summary of the things that may imply that ruling by other than that
which Allah has revealed is a form of shirk akbar (major shirk):

(1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed.

(2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule.

(3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is
complete or only in a few matters.

(4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal.

(5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts
what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has
revealed is not obligatory or is optional.

(6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed.

Because Qur'an clears:

Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish
Sharee'ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear
from a number of aayaat in the Qur'aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat
al-Maa'idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed,
and mention the following topics:

· The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: And so
judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . . [aayah 49]

· Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: .
. . and follow not their vain desires . . . [aayah 49]

· Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee'ah, no matter
how small: . . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some
of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . . [aayah 49]

· Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in
the rhetorical question Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of)
Ignorance? [aayah 50]

· The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: . . .
and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm
Faith? [aayah 50]

· The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah
revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq
(sinner), as Allaah says: . . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah
has revealed, such are the kaafiroon. [aayah 44]; . . . And whoever does
not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon
(polytheists and wrongdoers) [aayah 45]; . . . And whoever does not judge
by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon
(rebellious or disobedient). [aayah 47].

· The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge
according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their
judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: . . . And if you judge, judge
with justice between them. . . [aayah 42]


*
*Democracy  Islam:  A Response to Some Misgivings*
*Shah Abdul Hannan*
http://www.messageonline.org/2002aprilmay/cover8.htm



*Islam and democracy are not contradictory to each other. Democracy is the
form of government based on the will of the people as well as run and
changed with their consent only. This is also the form of Islamic
government. But the values of western democracy are not identical with those
of Islam.*

(Selected  Speeches and Writings of Maulana Mawdudi, Vol. 2, p.198)


Democracy is the most popular and accepted political system in the modern
world. Most of the political movements have made it their goal to establish
this system in their respective countries. Yet, there exists some difference
of opinion among the Islamic groups on democracy. While democracy and human
rights have occupied very important position in the political agenda of many
of the Islamic parties, there are few groups who do not accept it based on a
charge that democracy speaks of sovereignty of the people.

Islamic parties and Islamic scholars of the modern world almost invariably
think of a political system wherein government will run the country through
Parliament. They also want freedom of expression, voting right of the
people, rule of law, independent  free judiciary, free press, fundamental
human rights etc. These are also the 

Re: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings

2008-06-11 Thread David Gardield
Democracy has never worked as its easy to abuse---ISLAM WORKS--FULL STOP!

--- On Sun, 8/6/08, Jawed [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;Jawed [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; 
wrote:

From: Jawed [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;Jawed [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy amp; Islam: A Response to Some 
Misgivings
To: eGroup For Muslims Around The World lt;islamcity@yahoogroups.comgt;
Date: Sunday, 8 June, 2008, 7:44 AM








We find that different constitutions and Islamic scholars conditionally 
accepted the term 'democracy'. Muslim community can accept this term.nbsp; 
This will help remove misunderstanding about Islam that 'it condones violence 
and dictatorship' .-Author writes.
nbsp;
nbsp;
So why we can't embrace Liberalism and Secularism, nbsp; conditionally 
based on same arguments. The argument is absurd.
nbsp;
Syed Abul Mawdudi supported democracy andnbsp;Fatima Jinnahnbsp;as a 
lesser evil against General Ayub Khan's dictatorship in Pakistan in 60's. In 
his original articles in Isharaat of Tarjamanul Quran of 30's and 40's (Book: 
Siyasi Kashmakash and Tahreehe Aazadee Hind aur Musalman) he explained clearly 
that Democracy is contradictory to Islam. He had decided to participate in the 
Pakistani Election when the constitution embracednbsp;Shahadah (Islam) and 
accepted the sovereignty of Allah, andnbsp;nbsp;defined the qualification of 
the candidates (TAQWA).nbsp;He rejected the term democracy andnbsp;replaced 
withnbsp;Hukoomate Ilahiah; the rule and order of Allah.
nbsp;
Jamaat Islami Hind has never participated in the Democratic politics in India 
because of Maulana Mawdoodi's strong opinion against it..
nbsp;
Why we assume and discussnbsp;that there are only two types of System; 
Democracy and Dictatorship?nbsp; Why we are shy and scare to explain the 
Political System of Islam by using its own terminologies. How the people will 
know about Khilafa, Shura, Imarah, Taqwa, Mujahida, and Ahlur Rai, the base of 
Islamic political system. Why we don't use Quran, Seerah of Rasoolnbsp;and 
Khulfae Rashideen to explain the political system of Islam.
nbsp;
Mawdoodi and Iqbal, both had anbsp;strong opinion against Democracy and adult 
franchise. Please don't use any of them to support Democracy. nbsp;
nbsp;
Democracy is the devil's best tool of politics where an organized mob and 
minoritynbsp;controls the power and decides the fate of people. USA, the 
oldest democracy of the world are the worst imperialist power who killed 
millions of the people of the word and destroyed world's historical cities 
(From Japan to Iraq: an endless human miseries).nbsp; USA is the worst human 
rights violator and human killers of the history (Read: A People's History of 
the United States- 1492-Present by Howard Zinn).
India, the largest democracy of the world are worst for their minorities; 
Muslims, Christians, Budhists, and Sikhs.
And Israel,nbsp; the only democracy of the Middle East, are the number one 
terrorist state of the world. World War 1 and World War 2 had been fought among 
the best democracies of the world wherenbsp; millions of people died. Never 
forget Hitler and Missiloonienbsp;all were the products ofnbsp; 
thenbsp;Democracies. 
nbsp;
At the time when the imperialist and a terrorist statenbsp;under the 
leadership of Bush is exporting Democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq and for the 
sake of democracy, millions of death and destruction ofnbsp;cities are 
justified, it is shame that our Muslim writers are trying to prove the beauty 
of democracies. It is shame that ICNA's Messagenbsp;has now became the 
advocate of democracy and all in the name ofnbsp; removing misunderstanding 
about Islam.
nbsp;
As for as the so called human rightsnbsp; of the democracy are concerned, 
check andnbsp;see the condition of Muslims detainees in the 
USA,nbsp;Guantnamo Bay and Abu Gharib (Check the situation of Black and other 
minorities in these democracies) . nbsp;For your information, Gays and 
Lesbiannbsp;Rights are the number one issue of Human Rightsnbsp;nbsp;of 
nbsp;the democracatic world (and human rights condition of all the 
democracies were judged on this standard)nbsp;andnbsp;polygamy is the 
worstnbsp;violation of women's rightsnbsp;nbsp;(See only last one week's 
newspapers of Canada).
nbsp;
Please let the people understand Islam according to Quran and Seerah of 
Muhammad, Rasool of Allah, s.a.w. nbsp;and don't try to misrepresent Islam.
nbsp;
This is not the service of Islam. This is the service of western corrupt values 
and systems.
nbsp;
nbsp;
nbsp;
nbsp;
Jawed Anwar

nbsp;

- Original Message -
From: Erooth Mohamed
To: eGroup For Muslims Around The World
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy amp; Islam: A Response to Some 
Misgivings





nbsp;
Democracy amp; Islam:nbsp; A Response to Some Misgivings
Shah Abdul Hannan
http://www.messageo nline.org/ 2002aprilmay/ cover8.htm
nbsp;
nbsp;
Islam and democracy are not contradictory to each other. Democracy is 

Re: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings

2008-06-08 Thread Jawed Anwar
We find that different constitutions and Islamic scholars conditionally 
accepted the term 'democracy'. Muslim community can accept this term.  This 
will help remove misunderstanding about Islam that 'it condones violence and 
dictatorship'.-Author writes.





So why we can't embrace Liberalism and Secularism,  conditionally based on 
same arguments. The argument is absurd.



Syed Abul Mawdudi supported democracy and Fatima Jinnah as a lesser evil 
against General Ayub Khan's dictatorship in Pakistan in 60's. In his original 
articles in Isharaat of Tarjamanul Quran of 30's and 40's (Book: Siyasi 
Kashmakash and Tahreehe Aazadee Hind aur Musalman) he explained clearly that 
Democracy is contradictory to Islam. He had decided to participate in the 
Pakistani Election when the constitution embraced Shahadah (Islam) and accepted 
the sovereignty of Allah, and  defined the qualification of the candidates 
(TAQWA). He rejected the term democracy and replaced with Hukoomate 
Ilahiah; the rule and order of Allah.



Jamaat Islami Hind has never participated in the Democratic politics in India 
because of Maulana Mawdoodi's strong opinion against it.. 



Why we assume and discuss that there are only two types of System; Democracy 
and Dictatorship?  Why we are shy and scare to explain the Political System of 
Islam by using its own terminologies. How the people will know about Khilafa, 
Shura, Imarah, Taqwa, Mujahida, and Ahlur Rai, the base of Islamic political 
system. Why we don't use Quran, Seerah of Rasool and Khulfae Rashideen to 
explain the political system of Islam.



Mawdoodi and Iqbal, both had a strong opinion against Democracy and adult 
franchise. Please don't use any of them to support Democracy.   



Democracy is the devil's best tool of politics where an organized mob and 
minority controls the power and decides the fate of people. USA, the oldest 
democracy of the world are the worst imperialist power who killed millions of 
the people of the word and destroyed world's historical cities (From Japan to 
Iraq: an endless human miseries).  USA is the worst human rights violator and 
human killers of the history (Read: A People's History of the United States- 
1492-Present by Howard Zinn). 

India, the largest democracy of the world are worst for their minorities; 
Muslims, Christians, Budhists, and Sikhs. 

And Israel,  the only democracy of the Middle East, are the number one 
terrorist state of the world. World War 1 and World War 2 had been fought among 
the best democracies of the world where  millions of people died. Never 
forget Hitler and Missiloonie all were the products of  the Democracies. 



At the time when the imperialist and a terrorist state under the leadership of 
Bush is exporting Democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq and for the sake of 
democracy, millions of death and destruction of cities are justified, it is 
shame that our Muslim writers are trying to prove the beauty of democracies. 
It is shame that ICNA's Message has now became the advocate of democracy and 
all in the name of  removing misunderstanding about Islam. 



As for as the so called human rights  of the democracy are concerned, check 
and see the condition of Muslims detainees in the USA, Guantnamo Bay and Abu 
Gharib (Check the situation of Black and other minorities in these 
democracies).  For your information, Gays and Lesbian Rights are the number one 
issue of Human Rights  of  the democracatic world (and human rights 
condition of all the democracies were judged on this standard) and polygamy is 
the worst violation of women's rights  (See only last one week's newspapers 
of Canada).



Please let the people understand Islam according to Quran and Seerah of 
Muhammad, Rasool of Allah, s.a.w.  and don't try to misrepresent Islam. 



This is not the service of Islam. This is the service of western corrupt values 
and systems.





Jawed Anwar


  - Original Message - 
  From: Erooth Mohamed 
  To: eGroup For Muslims Around The World 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:22 PM
  Subject: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy  Islam: A Response to Some 
Misgivings





  Democracy  Islam:  A Response to Some Misgivings
  Shah Abdul Hannan
  http://www.messageonline.org/2002aprilmay/cover8.htm


  Islam and democracy are not contradictory to each other. Democracy is the 
form of government based on the will of the people as well as run and changed 
with their consent only. This is also the form of Islamic government. But the 
values of western democracy are not identical with those of Islam. 

  (Selected  Speeches and Writings of Maulana Mawdudi, Vol. 2, p.198)


  Democracy is the most popular and accepted political system in the modern 
world. Most of the political movements have made it their goal to establish 
this system in their respective countries. Yet, there exists some difference of 
opinion among the Islamic groups on democracy. While democracy and human rights 
have occupied very

RE: Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings

2008-06-08 Thread Wahid Osman

It was Islam and Islam alone, which for the first time, gave the message to 
mankind that religion was neither national and racial, nor individual and 
private, but purely human and that the purpose was to unite and organize 
mankind despite all its natural distinctions.
(Statement on Islam and Nationalism in Reply to a Statement of Maulana Hussain 
Ahmed published in “Ehsan” on the 9th. March, 1938)
Speeches  Statements of Iqbal)

One lesson I have learnt from the history of Muslims. At critical moments in 
their history it is Islam that saved Muslims and not vice versa. If today you 
focus your vision on Islam and seek inspiration from the ever-vitalizing idea 
embodies in it, you will be only reassembling your scattered forces, regaining 
your lost integrity, and thereby saving yourself from total destruction.
(Presidential Address delivered at the Annual Session of the All India Muslim 
League at Allahabad on the 29th. December, 1930.)
Speeches  Statements of Iqbal)

It was Iqbal who said:
 So long as this so-called democracy, this accursed Nationalism and 
this degraded Imperialism are not shattered, so long as man do not demonstrate 
by their actions that they believe that the whole world is a family of God, so 
long as distinctions of race, color and geographical nationalities are not 
wiped out completely, they will never be able to lead a happy and contented 
life and the beautiful ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity will never 
materialize.
(New Year Message broadcast from the Lahore Station of the All India Radio on 
the 1st. January 1938)


Abdul Wahid Osman Belal


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Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy  Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings







Democracy  Islam:  A Response to Some Misgivings
Shah Abdul Hannan
http://www.messageonline.org/2002aprilmay/cover8.htm


Islam and democracy are not contradictory to each other. Democracy is the form 
of government based on the will of the people as well as run and changed with 
their consent only. This is also the form of Islamic government. But the values 
of western democracy are not identical with those of Islam.
(Selected  Speeches and Writings of Maulana Mawdudi, Vol. 2, p.198)


Democracy is the most popular and accepted political system in the modern 
world. Most of the political movements have made it their goal to establish 
this system in their respective countries. Yet, there exists some difference of 
opinion among the Islamic groups on democracy. While democracy and human rights 
have occupied very important position in the political agenda of many of the 
Islamic parties, there are few groups who do not accept it based on a charge 
that democracy speaks of sovereignty of the people.
Islamic parties and Islamic scholars of the modern world almost invariably 
think of a political system wherein government will run the country through 
Parliament. They also want freedom of expression, voting right of the people, 
rule of law, independent  free judiciary, free press, fundamental human rights 
etc. These are also the prerequisites of the democratic system. It is, 
therefore, apparent on a deeper analysis that the principles of democracy 
fundamentally and broadly conform with the concept of state and government of 
Islamic Parties.
Theoretically speaking, Islam speaks of sovereignty of Allah, while western 
democracy advocates that sovereignty belongs to people. However, all political 
thinkers do not share the same view of sovereignty. Some political scientists 
even argue that there is no need of the concept of sovereignty at all. The 
concept of sovereignty is not necessarily highlighted in the books that discuss 
democracy, though sovereignty is discussed in great detail as a political 
concept in the books of political science. In this context, it is necessary to 
quote from the writings of Allama Yousuf Al-Qaradawi, an eminent Islamic 
scholar of the present time. He wrote on Political Freedom and Democracy as 
follows:
The fear of some people here that democracy makes the people a source of power 
and even legislation (although legislation is Allah's alone) should not be 
needed here, because we are supposed to be speaking of a people that in its 
majority has accepted Allah as its Lord, Mohammad as its Prophet and Islam as 
its Religion. Such a people would not be expected to pass a legislation that 
contradicts Islam and its incontestable principles and conclusive rules.
Anyway, these fears can be overcome by one article stipulating that any 
legislation contradicting the incontestable provisions of Islam shall be null 
and void because Islam is the religion of the State and the source of 
legitimacy of all its institutions and therefore may no be contradicted, as a 
branch may not run against the main stream. (Quoted from 'Priorities of the 
Islamic Movement in the Coming Phase')
We find that many Islamic scholars have accepted the idea

Bismillah [IslamCity] Democracy Islam: A Response to Some Misgivings

2008-06-07 Thread Erooth Mohamed
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*Democracy  Islam:  A Response to Some Misgivings*
*Shah Abdul Hannan*
http://www.messageonline.org/2002aprilmay/cover8.htm



*Islam and democracy are not contradictory to each other. Democracy is the
form of government based on the will of the people as well as run and
changed with their consent only. This is also the form of Islamic
government. But the values of western democracy are not identical with those
of Islam.*

(Selected  Speeches and Writings of Maulana Mawdudi, Vol. 2, p.198)


Democracy is the most popular and accepted political system in the modern
world. Most of the political movements have made it their goal to establish
this system in their respective countries. Yet, there exists some difference
of opinion among the Islamic groups on democracy. While democracy and human
rights have occupied very important position in the political agenda of many
of the Islamic parties, there are few groups who do not accept it based on a
charge that democracy speaks of sovereignty of the people.

Islamic parties and Islamic scholars of the modern world almost invariably
think of a political system wherein government will run the country through
Parliament. They also want freedom of expression, voting right of the
people, rule of law, independent  free judiciary, free press, fundamental
human rights etc. These are also the prerequisites of the democratic system.
It is, therefore, apparent on a deeper analysis that the principles of
democracy fundamentally and broadly conform with the concept of state and
government of Islamic Parties.

Theoretically speaking, Islam speaks of sovereignty of Allah, while western
democracy advocates that sovereignty belongs to people. However, all
political thinkers do not share the same view of sovereignty. Some political
scientists even argue that there is no need of the concept of sovereignty at
all. The concept of sovereignty is not necessarily highlighted in the books
that discuss democracy, though sovereignty is discussed in great detail as a
political concept in the books of political science. In this context, it is
necessary to quote from the writings of Allama Yousuf Al-Qaradawi, an
eminent Islamic scholar of the present time. He wrote on Political Freedom
and Democracy as follows:

The fear of some people here that democracy makes the people a source of
power and even legislation (although legislation is Allah's alone) should
not be needed here, because we are supposed to be speaking of a people that
in its majority has accepted Allah as its Lord, Mohammad as its Prophet and
Islam as its Religion. Such a people would not be expected to pass a
legislation that contradicts Islam and its incontestable principles and
conclusive rules.

Anyway, these fears can be overcome by one article stipulating that any
legislation contradicting the incontestable provisions of Islam shall be
null and void because Islam is the religion of the State and the source of
legitimacy of all its institutions and therefore may no be contradicted, as
a branch may not run against the main stream. (Quoted from *'Priorities of
the Islamic Movement in the Coming
Phase'http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_Priorities/index.htm
*)

We find that many Islamic scholars have accepted the idea of democracy in
Islam though under certain conditions. Dr. Abu Said Nuruddin has written in
his book 'Mohakobi Iqbal', ( Iqbal the Great Poet) that Allama Iqbal, was
not happy with the democratic system because of its secularist stance but he
suggested in his writings that there was no alternative to democracy. In his
6th speech on 'Reconstruction of religious thought in Islam', Allama Iqbal
stated that Islamic state is established on the principles of freedom,
equality, and the absolute principles of stability. Therefore the principles
of democratic rule is not only similar to the fundamental aspects of Islam,
rather the executing powers are enhanced in the Muslim world by it.

Iqbal observed, should the foundation of democracy rest upon spiritual and
moral values, it would be the best political system. He wrote in the The
New Era on its 28th July, 1917 issue: that democracy was born in Europe
from  economic renaissance that took place in most of its societies. … But
Islamic democracy is not developed from the idea of economic advancement
rather it is a spiritual principle that comes from the principle that
everybody is a source of power whose possibilities can be developed through
virtue and character.(ibid)  That means according to Iqbal Islam prescribes
democracy under the law of Allah.

We see, fifty years ago. *Moulana Mawdudi*
http://www.youngmuslims.ca/biographies/display.asp?ID=5used the term
Theo-democracy for Islamic state in his book Political Theory of Islam.
He didn't deny the term 'democracy'. Rather he accepted democracy while this
system will work under the sovereignty of Allah.

There is a misconception about Moulana Maududi's true