Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Busch
I will send the latest version of the draft to java-user in a few days if nobody objects. Michael On 10/13/09 3:10 PM, Michael Busch wrote: OK, I made the draft a bit "more neutral" by pointing out the downsides clearer. However, I think we have to explain reasons for and against the change,

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-14 Thread Grant Ingersoll
I think this is a good thing. Ultimately, we just need to decide, but getting user feedback is also important. -Grant On Oct 13, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Michael Busch wrote: OK, I made the draft a bit "more neutral" by pointing out the downsides clearer. However, I think we have to explain reaso

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Michael Busch
OK, I made the draft a bit "more neutral" by pointing out the downsides clearer. However, I think we have to explain reasons for and against the change, otherwise people who didn't follow these discussions on java-dev will have no idea why we actually want to make a change at all. I added your

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Michael Busch wrote: > I've mentioned it several times on java-dev and LUCENE-1698 that I'd like to > ask the user > community and nobody objected. It's the old polling problem - how you ask influences the outcome (as I said below), and you didn't say exactly how

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Andi Vajda
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Mark Miller wrote: For the record - I still don't see what we gain but confusion. The major numbers don't have any significant meaning in terms of features or advancements. That's a perception we don't have control over. A release incrementing the major release number i

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Michael Busch
On 10/13/09 1:18 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: I think I'm against sending such a request for feedback - and I think we already know what the results will be. I've mentioned it several times on java-dev and LUCENE-1698 that I'd like to ask the user community and nobody objected. The email rea

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Michael Busch
On 10/13/09 1:11 PM, Mark Miller wrote: I think it should be more clear that the devs have not come to an agreement on this change yet, irregardless of the communities input. OK I made a few changes near the end to make that clearer. How's it now? Draft: Hello Lucene users: In the past

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Yonik Seeley
I think I'm against sending such a request for feedback - and I think we already know what the results will be. The email reads like "we want to do this, OK?" - and the beneficiaries of what is a volunteer effort are likely to respond overwhelmingly "OK!". One could take the reverse position and p

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Miller
For the record - I still don't see what we gain but confusion. The major numbers don't have any significant meaning in terms of features or advancements. If we want to remove deprecations faster after deprecating in 4.1, we should just not release 4.2,4.3,4.4,4.5, and then 4.9. We should go from

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Miller
I think it should be more clear that the devs have not come to an agreement on this change yet, irregardless of the communities input. Michael McCandless wrote: > Looks good! > > Mike > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael Busch wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wrote a draft for a mail I'd li

Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Michael McCandless
Looks good! Mike On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael Busch wrote: > Hi all, > > I wrote a draft for a mail I'd like to send to java-user to get some > feedback about the proposed changes to our backwards-compatibility policy we > discussed here and on LUCENE-1698. > Let me know what you thi

Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes

2009-10-13 Thread Michael Busch
Hi all, I wrote a draft for a mail I'd like to send to java-user to get some feedback about the proposed changes to our backwards-compatibility policy we discussed here and on LUCENE-1698. Let me know what you think please! Michael Hello Lucene users: In the past we have discussed our bac