Re: software grants

2009-07-12 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > On Jul 11, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Yonik Seeley wrote: >>> It's not hard to do a grant >> >> From the contributor side, it can be very, very, hard and can >> potentially take a long time. The bigger the company, the harder it >> can be. >> Many ma

Re: software grants

2009-07-11 Thread Michael Busch
I agree with you, Grant. In the query parser scenario: filling out the software grant and providing the tar+md5, which was the only part Apache required, was maybe 5% of all the internal legal and approval work we had to do. Even if Apache didn't require the grant, we'd still do this kind of in

Re: software grants

2009-07-11 Thread Grant Ingersoll
FWIW, I'm not trying to make it harder to donate, but I do want to make sure anything we accept is legally correct. Thus, I'd rather err on the side of caution. I suspect most people would rather have code that has less features and is legally correct versus more features and the code be

Re: software grants

2009-07-11 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Jul 11, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Yonik Seeley wrote: I personally don't get what all the fuss is about. I'm simply trying to avoid having rules I view as too strict (if interpreted strictly) enshrined as policy. It's not hard to do a grant From the contributor side, it can be very, very, hard

Re: software grants

2009-07-11 Thread Mark Miller
>> I personally don't get what all the fuss is about. >>>I'm simply trying to avoid having rules I view as too strict (if >>>interpreted strictly) enshrined as policy. And I'm just trying to get something of an understanding of this stuff. I feel like committers should have a good idea of the rul

Re: software grants

2009-07-11 Thread Yonik Seeley
> I personally don't get what all the fuss is about. I'm simply trying to avoid having rules I view as too strict (if interpreted strictly) enshrined as policy. > It's not hard to do a grant >From the contributor side, it can be very, very, hard and can potentially take a long time. The bigger t

Re: software grants

2009-07-10 Thread Grant Ingersoll
From http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html "One of the Incubator's roles is to ensure that proper attention is paid to intellectual property. From time to time, an external codebase is brought into the ASF that is not a separate incubating project but still represents a substa

Re: software grants

2009-07-08 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: > I think it is pretty clear that when the code lives in the public somewhere > else (i.e. source forge or Google code, etc.) it needs to go through a > grant. It's not clear to me... I think it's just another factor to consider. It also matt

RE: software grants

2009-07-08 Thread Uwe Schindler
Hi Grant, > I think it is pretty clear that when the code lives in the public > somewhere else (i.e. source forge or Google code, etc.) it needs to go > through a grant. > > That being said, I'm not particularly concerned about Trie, for the > record. Trie was in Sourceforge's SVN as

Re: software grants

2009-07-07 Thread Grant Ingersoll
I think it is pretty clear that when the code lives in the public somewhere else (i.e. source forge or Google code, etc.) it needs to go through a grant. Likewise, it is often the best approach when a whole code dump from a company or individual is brought in. Agreed, it is a bit weird wh

Re: software grants

2009-07-07 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: > Regarding the software grant debate in > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-1567 > IMO, it's pretty subjective what needs a software grant, and I don't > think we should throw up any hard'n'fast rules about it.  The bottom > line