Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-07-19 Thread Juan Carlos
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 07:06, Glenn Holmer wrote: > Gerald Bauer wrote: > > Tom writes: > > > > Sun invariably says that they can't think of what > > problems open source Java would solve that aren't > > already solved. Of course that's ridiculous. > > Why? > > > It is > > pretty hard for Linu

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-30 Thread Glenn Holmer
Gerald Bauer wrote: Hello, Allow me to highlight the blog story by Tom Tromey - Here's another good take on the issue: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/5135 -- Glenn Holmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-29 Thread David Brownell
Charles Forsythe wrote: Quoting Diego Pons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Think about it, perhaps we would have already JVM's on silicon on the cheap instead of needing these gigaherz machines to run java properly. JVMs on silicon? Like, maybe, the Ajile AJ-100? I'd be interested in comments on the ARM-926

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-29 Thread Charles Forsythe
Quoting Diego Pons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Think about it, perhaps we would have already JVM's on silicon on the > cheap instead of needing these gigaherz machines to run java properly. JVMs on silicon? Like, maybe, the Ajile AJ-100? http://www.ajile.com/downloads/aj100.pdf -- Breaking t

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread jordan muscott
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:20:11 -0500 Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, > but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool > Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer > feels an itch, he co

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread jordan muscott
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:20:11 -0500 Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, > but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool > Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer > feels an itch, he co

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread Nathan Bryant
Glenn Holmer wrote: I don't think anybody consciously wants to break compatibility, but I think it would simply be too tempting to add Just One Cool Feature(tm). That's the way Open Source works: when a programmer feels an itch, he codes. And that's OK for the kernel, or maybe XFree86, and for ap

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread Joseph Shraibman
Gerald Bauer wrote: unfree. On top of this, non-free core software is something to be avoided in the community. This overly-controlled approach on Sun's part is losing the Linux desktop to .NET. .NET is freerer than java? -- To

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread Joseph Shraibman
Glenn Holmer wrote: Gerald Bauer wrote: Tom writes: Sun invariably says that they can't think of what problems open source Java would solve that aren't already solved. Of course that's ridiculous. Why? It is pretty hard for Linux vendors to ship a working JRE on their platform if they make any

Re: Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-28 Thread Joseph Shraibman
Glenn Holmer wrote: Gerald Bauer wrote: Tom writes: Sun invariably says that they can't think of what problems open source Java would solve that aren't already solved. Of course that's ridiculous. Why? It is pretty hard for Linux vendors to ship a working JRE on their platform if they make any

Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-27 Thread Gerald Bauer
Hello, Allow me to highlight the blog story by Tom Tromey - of GNU Compiler for Java (gcj) fame - that points out some questions to ask if you attend the Java Open Source Debate at Sun's JavaOne conference. True to style Sun has - of course - not invited any actual Free Java hacker to the "debat

Questions for the Java Open Source "Debate" at JavaOne

2004-06-27 Thread Gerald Bauer
Hello, Allow me to highlight the blog story by Tom Tromey - of GNU Compiler for Java (gcj) fame - that points out some questions to ask if you attend the Java Open Source Debate at Sun's JavaOne conference. True to style Sun has - of course - not invited any actual Free Java hacker to the "debat