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On 9/6/10 19:19 , BoD wrote:
Excellent episode as always :)
1/ At some point Joe and also Dick if I'm not mistaken say that
Google shouldn't say that the law suit is against Open Source and
that saying so is purely a PR move. But since Android
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On 9/5/10 20:38 , Reinier Zwitserloot wrote:
Fabrizio, asking for reform might be a good idea, but reform to
_WHAT_? I haven't seen any proposal that makes a decent case that
implementing it would lead to a patent law system we can all be
Dont confuse my argument, i just find Google's stance hypocritical. When
they said its an attack on open source, they really meant its an attack on
their ability to get a free ride...
You can not copyright or patent a syntax, and the syntax is ALL Google
is borrowing. Sun had nothing that
Firstly my argument was not about technicalities. Googles statement that it
was an attack on open source was hypocritical because they want to gain from
open source and took advantage of free java but when it was their turn to
cough up the cash they did everything but. Im not sure if its business
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On 9/7/10 10:10 , Miroslav Pokorny wrote:
Too me its like taking an open source library, making lots of cash
and never even giving the authors a donation. Yes its legal but
its overall, its disappointing.
I don't disagree on the whole, but the
On Sep 7, 10:10 am, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Firstly my argument was not about technicalities.
We are engineers, technicalities is what we do... otherwise we'd be
priests.
Googles statement that it
was an attack on open source was hypocritical because they want to
@Casper
This will be my last comment on this. You have conveniently ignored the
overall context of my statements.
re/ GWT
GWT is even more interesting given its changes. Its very much an different
take on the java platform, its great and all makes sense but for legal types
they might cry about
And no I don't see an overall business benefit for a large team moving to
Scala from Java at this point.
Given reasons previously stated you need to look at macro benefits not 'I am a
developer and I like it' mentality.
Amen! The best thing for producitivity is to stick in one technology,
get
This will be my last comment on this. You have conveniently ignored the
overall context of my statements.
Fair enough, I fail to see what I ignored but we can end it here. GWT
is not a different take on a Java platform, it's an emulation layer
which, once again, allows people familiar with the
can you beat this with your stack? ;-)
http://www.rubyinside.com/obie-fernandezs-hashrocket-builds-your-web-app-in-3-days-698.html
On 7 September 2010 13:12, Glenn Bech glenn.b...@gmail.com wrote:
And no I don't see an overall business benefit for a large team moving to
Scala from Java at
Lots of people who are complaining about software patent law are not
screaming for their total abolishments. I might, but only because I've
long held the opinion that reform was in order, but every idea I've
read or come up with myself has been shot full of holes in short
order. I've concluded
Oh, no question. Google is milking the Whoa, what the heck is oracle
doing here angle as much as they can, and they are definitely
grandstanding to do it. But why shouldn't they? If ever the argument
corporations do whatever they need to do to earn money holds, it
holds here. Google understands
Well, do you think that if you do something against me, you're all the
whole Italy? :-)
No but my logic is if Oracle says something very broad like
(voluntarily exaggerating for the sake of the argument) only Oracle
has the right to make a VM because we have the patent.
Then Android has a VM.
This is hardly a new argument!
Thankfully, there a people around who *are* willing to take risks and
believe in the potential for improvement.
I assume you were refering to my argument :-) I believe in adopting
something new when it fixes a problem, or add value. Not because
it's new. to get
Hi all,
I am a Java Architect and live in an area where there are few
opportunities for my skills. The only option I can think of besides
moving back to the Twin Cities is telecommuting. I am interesting in
finding out how many of you on the list are working a full time
telecommute job. For
And therein lies the crux of the debate. :)
The problem is that Java is too verbose, laden with boilerplate, and poorly
suited to a natural expression of several concepts that we find incredibly
easy to think about.
One of these two examples is easier to comprehend:
//Java
List newList =
My current job has turned out to be more telecommuting than I expected, but
it was not setup as that. The first couple months were all in the office. It
evolved over time as the team got used to each other.
I don't know of many companies willing to outright hire telecommuters. Sun
did that a lot,
I've been trying to get into it as well. Beware some online
telecommuting agency sites. Why is it when most agencies fall over
themselves to get their normal job ads out there these telecommute
sites demand that you pay a subscription fee to join before seeing
full job descriptions and/or
Robert's experience is by far the most common - that you gradually get
into a work from home scenario when trust has been gained.
Yup, that has been the case for me as well. I don't really see any
alternative, there are only so many libraries that can to be written
in isolation. Sun and
I've been telecommuting for the past few years, but I have to say that
I don't know how you'd get a telecommuting job!
Luckily for me, I have a specialized skillset that has had employers
ask me to work for them. In that case, you have the option of saying
that you don't want to (or, in my case,
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Miroslav Pokorny miroslav.poko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Im not sure if its business or an American thing but it seems you forget
to about being human which is sometimes mostly about doing the right thing
regardless of what the law says. Overall most companies
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
The problem is that Java is too verbose, laden with boilerplate, and poorly
suited to a natural expression of several concepts that we find incredibly
easy to think about.
The problem is that you keep missing the big
Without thinking about somebody in particular - but I think it's sad so many
threads turn to waste these days... :-(
2010/9/7 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.comwrote:
The problem is that Java is too verbose, laden with
Did I miss something? Did the discussion suddenly turn to project
management while I blinked, or to the issues of delivery and operations?
My understanding is that we were talking of the specific agile practice of
regularly learning a new programming language, the reasons to do so, the
problems
Independent consulting/contracting can be a sort of full-time
telecommuting, provided you turn down the 95% of positions that are on-
site. This is a different scenario from what some of the other folks
are talking about, in which you have a single full-time employer and
work from home.
I've
hi there,
now I know you guys like languages a lot and are constantly debating if
there is a replacement language for java. The whole discussion has been
bugging me for a while and I always thought it would be necessary for a new
language to bring something to the table that java does offer but
what makes it sound like a 4gl language? how about if for example method
calls can be restfull or directly linked with the language being able to
expose the call to the outside world and the concept of security built in to
the language to begin with (say these requests are only allowed from within
2010/9/7 Cédric Beust ♔ ced...@beust.com
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Miroslav Pokorny
miroslav.poko...@gmail.com wrote:
Im not sure if its business or an American thing but it seems you forget
to about being human which is sometimes mostly about doing the right thing
regardless of
A 4GL is any language that's specialised for a particular function, and
abstracts around tasks necessary to perform that function.
By focussing on REST, you're specialising for web services. This isn't a
language that would be used for a washing machine controller, or for
managing a nuclear
Ahh, the joys of due diligence!
IANAL, but...
Company executives are legally compelled to maximise shareholder income,
just so long as they don't break any criminal laws in doing so.
Fail to outsource your clothing factory to China? Yes, you can get sued for
that...
Nowadays, the only real
looks like I was not clear enough in that case - the language should be
broad, not focusing just on rest. The goal would really be to build a
language that promotes writing application building blocks and tying them
together - weather it's a desktop application or a web application. The idea
is
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On 9/7/10 11:22 , Casper Bang wrote:
What cash? You can not expect Google to have bought Sun just because
they happen to use some of their open source technology.
Honestly, for the few (basically zero) things that I can understand of
business,
What happens if Oracle doesn't win the lawsuit? Maybe Google wins and sues
Oracle for irreparable damages (lost time, market share, client confidence
etc).
Nobody really knows what will happen - it's all speculation
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
Sun was bought for $6/7M, right?
Billions, not millions,
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On 9/7/10 21:16 , Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Fabrizio Giudici
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
mailto:fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote:
Sun was bought for $6/7M, right?
Billions, not millions,
Of course,
Who'd telecommute to Google? Have you seen their office? ;-)
On 8 September 2010 01:51, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Robert's experience is by far the most common - that you gradually get
into a work from home scenario when trust has been gained.
Yup, that has been the case for
Not that what you suggest does not make sense, but JAX-RS does provide
amazing Rest support. I can imagine a custom made language being a little
easier to use than Java + JAX-RS but not that much better.
Perhaps the question really is: what should be the most important trait to
add to a new
They shouldn't claim that Oracle are suing open source - for one. It
isn't helpful to the wider community to add FUD to the FUD (but it
might be helpful to google to be dishonest like this).
On Sep 7, 9:46 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot reini...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, no question. Google is milking the
I'd like to thank the Alex for the ticket, the Posse for judging and
all of the hard work they do (seriously, thanks guys), Kevin, and last
but not least Nicholas Forth, inventor of the for loop.
On Sep 5, 6:32 pm, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com wrote:
Just listened to the results in
I'm aware that there is great frameworks around in java to help you do good
rest application. Back in the C/C++ time we also had good frameworks to deal
with sockets, etc. Still, when thinking back for me at least java was a
welcome relieve that such a fundamental function in the new world was
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