Re: Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-13 Thread Scott M Stark
Install your own java.rmi.server.RMIClassLoaderSpi instance by setting the java.rmi.server.RMIClassLoaderSpi system property to an implementation of RMIClassLoaderSpi, and you can choose to load classes from the codebase passed in to loadClass even if there is no security manager. You can maintain

Re: Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 11/10/03 8:18 AM, Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to load the org.jboss.mail.userrepository.MetaInfoImpl class from the codebase, you are going to have to catch the UndeclaredThrowableException and check the nested type since the RMIAdaptor interface does not allow for

Re: Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-10 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 11/6/03 8:32 PM, Adrian Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pseudo rmi code: try { return invokeServer() } catch (ClassNotFoundException e) { if (System.getSecurityManager() == null) throw new No RMI Security Manager etc.; else tryToLoadClassFromRMICodeBase(); } Thanks.

Re: Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-10 Thread Scott M Stark
In order to load the org.jboss.mail.userrepository.MetaInfoImpl class from the codebase, you are going to have to catch the UndeclaredThrowableException and check the nested type since the RMIAdaptor interface does not allow for ClassNotFoundExceptions. -- Scott Stark

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-07 Thread Scott M Stark
I meant an xml doc and the corresponding xsd which allows for all this blah blah you just wrote here. -- Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC Holger Baxmann wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:36:33 -0800, Scott M Stark [EMAIL

Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-06 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Why don't we start different threads for different issues? This thread start out as discussing making management easier. e.g. Joe Windows Admin wants a GUI Wizard entitled Configure datasource preferably one that does not ask if he writing letter :-) How does Joe hates-GUIs programmer

Re: Joe Admin User mail services Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-06 Thread Adrian Brock
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 00:19, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Why don't we start different threads for different issues? This thread start out as discussing making management easier. e.g. Joe Windows Admin wants a GUI Wizard entitled Configure datasource preferably one that does not ask if he

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Am 05.11.2003 um 04:07 schrieb Scott M Stark: Its required for j2ee1.4, but you don't need an xsd to use xsl to transform and xml document. ... as we all know. But this is only one side of the mirror. The question is: What if you use XSLT on XSD? The answer is: You are applying different

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
The problem is not writing the right code or using the right OM. The problem is applying the right code with a appropriate OM at the right time to the right understanding, taxonomy and onthology of the USER. Code doesn't sell, the right functionalities at the right times will sell. Today we

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Thanks for pointing me at this :) I rather think of the special JBoss.org (in my case the not-JAAS-JavaSecurity, JMX, Service and Adapter parts) metamodel additions. Maybe sometimes a XSLT of the spec xsd will do the trick ;-))) thanks b/readingax When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Scott M Stark
Give me an example of this meaningful description of an applied security model that needs to be mapped into a declarative j2ee security descriptor. -- Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: ... And,

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Holger Baxmann
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 06:36:33 -0800, Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give me an example of this meaningful description of an applied security model that needs to be mapped into a declarative j2ee security descriptor. The security of the whole system, where j2ee is only a part of, is less

[JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Bill Burke
Posting to jbosxs-dev. Let's keep it there please! Bill Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of deployment descriptors in 4.0, 3.2, or 3.0. Anybody know

[JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Bill Burke
Posting to jboss dev Juha Lindfors wrote: Getting the scripts done would be the first step and itself helpful for most current admins, regardless of the language used in the script. Once those exist, it should not be a huge step to integrate the scripts with a new MigrationSubDeployer that

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann - bitwind
Am 04.11.2003 um 17:22 schrieb Bill Burke: Posting to jbosxs-dev. Let's keep it there please! Bill Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of deployment

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Juha Lindfors
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of deployment descriptors in 4.0, 3.2, or 3.0. Anybody know

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Am 05.11.2003 um 02:53 schrieb Juha Lindfors: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of deployment

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Adrian Brock
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 01:53, Juha Lindfors wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Adrian Brock
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:08, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: Am 05.11.2003 um 02:53 schrieb Juha Lindfors: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step.

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann - bitwind
Am 05.11.2003 um 02:53 schrieb Juha Lindfors: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining past versions of deployment

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Am 05.11.2003 um 03:11 schrieb Adrian Brock: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:08, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of the whole stuff defined in XSD and throuw the ugly DTD's away? Then one is able to appy XSLT on the XSD's and all migration things belonging to the

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Adrian Brock
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:22, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: Am 05.11.2003 um 03:11 schrieb Adrian Brock: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:08, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of the whole stuff defined in XSD and throuw the ugly DTD's away? Then one is able to

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Juha Lindfors
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Adrian Brock wrote: When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of the whole stuff defined in XSD and throuw the ugly DTD's away? Then one is able to appy XSLT on the XSD's and all migration things belonging to the meta-level are handled by the meta-level. EJB 2.1

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Juha Lindfors
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Adrian Brock wrote: How does Joe hates-GUIs programmer (i.e. me) maintain that wizard and other management interfaces when I add configuration options to the jdbc rars or db specifc plugins? You don't. That's the fundamental problem with a rich GUI ;-) -- Juha

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Am 05.11.2003 um 03:08 schrieb Adrian Brock: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 01:53, Juha Lindfors wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Holger Baxmann @ mac
Am 05.11.2003 um 03:25 schrieb Adrian Brock: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:22, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: Am 05.11.2003 um 03:11 schrieb Adrian Brock: On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:08, Holger Baxmann @ mac wrote: When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of the whole stuff defined in XSD and throuw the ugly

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Scott M Stark
Its required for j2ee1.4, but you don't need an xsd to use xsl to transform and xml document. -- Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: When does JBoss.org have the meta-model of the whole stuff

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Scott M Stark
Explain how xsd is actually the object model in terms of what the metadata handling code is using. Its directly manipulating xml instances that conform to the xsd or is there is a binding of the xsd to a java object model? If there is a binding, then that is the object model, not the xsd as that

Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-04 Thread Ricardo Argüello
Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Am 05.11.2003 um 02:53 schrieb Juha Lindfors: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Holger Baxmann - bitwind wrote: Bill Burke wrote: LETS TAKE THESE DISCUSSIONS TO JBOSS-DEV PLEASE! Yes, IMO, migration should be a separate distinct tool/step. We should not be maintaining