RE: Undeliverable:[JBoss-dev] *

2006-05-17 Thread Sacha Labourey
Same for me 

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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 4.0.4.GA released

2006-05-17 Thread Sacha Labourey



BTW, Congratulations to Dimitris and the QA team for 
getting there, that's great.

Cheers,



sacha


  
  
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  Ruel LoehrSent: lundi, 15. mai 2006 18:43To: 
  jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 
  4.0.4.GA released
  
  
  JBossAS version 4.0.4.GA has been 
  released. The release can be downloaded from the following URL: 
  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22866package_id=16942release_id=416591
  
  Ruel 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] repository additions

2006-05-08 Thread Sacha Labourey
Did you provide proper licensing information ? 

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 Hi,
 
 For the jBPM build, i added 1 JBoss core library to the repository:
 * jboss-j2ee.jar in
 http://repository.jboss.com/jbossas/core-libs/4.0.3.SP1/lib
 
 Also, I added following 3rd party libraries to the repository:
 * dumbster.jar in http://repository.jboss.com/dumbster/1.6/lib
 * el-api.jar and el-ri.jar in http://repository.jboss.com/el/1.0/lib
 * jackrabbit-core-1.0.jar in
 http://repository.jboss.com/jackrabbit/1.0/lib
 * jsf-facelets.jar in http://repository.jboss.com/facelets/1.1.1/lib
 * jcr-1.0.jar in http://repository.jboss.com/jcr/1.0/lib
 
 let me know if i should do anything else except just 
 uploading the libs.
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBossAS releases - 3.2.8 4.0.4RC1

2006-02-08 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, congratulations to the QA team and Dimitris for his first jump in the
release-drama! 

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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JBossAS releases - 3.2.8  4.0.4RC1
 
 Especially Dimitris and the QA team for getting
 3.2.8 - 4.0.x working!
 
 On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 22:43, Bill Burke wrote:
  Great job everyone!
  
  Ruel Loehr wrote:
   Two versions of JBossAS were released today.   The 
 released versions 
   include JBossAS 3.2.8 and JBossAS 4.0.4RC1.
   

   
   These releases can be downloaded from the following location:
   

   
   
 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22866package_
   id=16942 
   
 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22866package
   _id=16942
   

   

   
   Thank you,
   
   Ruel Loehr
   
   JBoss QA
   

   

   
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Generic Embedded/Bootstrap was RE: [JBoss-dev] EJB3StandaloneBootstrap implementation

2006-02-01 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Adrian,

This is really great, that is a much needed step for the MC usage/adoption
IMHO. 

 I am starting work on a prototype of the following three new 
 modules (I am not sure these are good names :-)

Yeah, not sure as well, but I am not sure i have great ideas at this point.

 1) Integration - Cross (other) container integration spi like 
 how do I bind to jndi?, give me the transaction synchronizer, etc.

OK. Why not simply JBoss SPI?

 2) Services - abstraction of our common container spi, such 
 that other projects can use these interfaces to talk to each 
 other rather than linking directly to implementation e.g. Who 
 knows whether the user wants to use JBossJTA or JBoss Transactions?

What is the real difference with 1)? I mean, 2) is really the SPI interface
while 1) simply looks like a factory/finder to this SPI. Right? If that is
the case, not sure we need to split them.

 3) Embedded - an extension to the kernel module that 
 introduces aop, jmx, profile service and eventually 
 aspectized deployments (all optional)

What are profile service? Is that what you refere as SPI above or
something else?

These extensions are different Personnalities, right? A JMX personnality,
an AOP one, etc. right? There could be an OSGi as well, correct?

 My plans for enhanced embedded bootstrap implementations are:
 * Explicit - tell me what you want to do
 - suitable for extension
 
 * Classpath - like current MC Standalone bootstrap
 - suitable for main() usage

I don't get this one compared to the previous one

 * URLClassLoader - parse getURLs() and look for config 
 relative to this
 - suitable for running inside an EJB container, servlet 
 container, etc.
 
 * Test - shared base common config + test specific config
 - suitable for use in JUnit/TestNG

I am not sure what you are really trying to do there?

 I think this has some redundancy with the EJB3 bootstrap 
 methods but it doesn't make sense to have this EJB3 specific.
 e.g. I want to
 * bootstrap/configure some JBoss Service inside a servlet 
 context of another JEE container
 * run tests against a service that requires other services
 * provide a real standalone distribution of JBoss Messaging
 * etc.

 My motivation for this prototype is not to get a product out 
 of it yet. It is to flush out the integration details between 
 the projects.

Is that a bandwidth issue or something else? I think it is really important
to do and I wouldn't be affraid to put it as a product if it raises its
priority.

That is great work Adrian, it is very important to setup this foundation to
JEMS. 

Cheers,


Sacha



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RE: [JBoss-dev] JBossWS-1.0RC1 release works in 4.0.x

2006-01-10 Thread Sacha Labourey



and the bad news is? :)

Congratulations, that's great!

  
  
  From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Thomas DieslerSent: mardi, 10. janvier 2006 14:57To: 
  Dev - JBossWS; Alexey Loubyansky; Scott M Stark; Jason T. Greene; Sacha 
  Labourey; Ivelin IvanovCc: 
  jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: [JBoss-dev] 
  JBossWS-1.0RC1 release works in 4.0.x
  
  Hi 
  folks,
  
  I 
  completed thework arround using retrotranslator. 
  
  The good 
  news first 
  ---
  
  The new 
  web service stack can be used in 4.0.x without known limitations. This will 
  give cutomers ws-security, ws-addressing, ws-eventing, jsr-181 annotations, 
  ejb3 endpoints, etc.
  
  Here is 
  what I did and what the current situation is:
  
  - The 
  repository now contains retrotranslator-0.9.6jboss, which contains an 
  obfuscated version of asm-3.0_beta in 
  retrotranslator-runtime.jar
  - Minor 
  modification to JBossWS code base that showed up at runtime - new 
  IllegalStateException(String,Throwable) not supported by 
  retrotranslator
  - JBossXB 
  movedout ofjboss-common.jar intojboss-xml-binding.jar, which 
  is available in the repository (jboss/jbossxb/1.0.RC1)
  - Disabled 
  usage of xml binding sources in 4.0.x - use the binary from the repository 
  instead
  - Minor 
  modifications to the 4.0.x codebase (common/security module) to use 
  jboss-xml-binding.jar from the repository
  - Sync xml 
  testsuite from HEAD to Branch_4_0
  
  The 
  retrotranslated version of jbossws can be build like this:
  
   cd 
  /jboss-head/webservice
   ant 
  -Dretro=true
  
  In 4.0.x 
  it can be deployed like this:
  
   cd 
  /jboss-4.0.x/webservice
   ant 
  deploy-jbossws14
  
  The ws4ee 
  testsuite runs without failure.
  
  Verification work needs to be done that jboss-xml-binding.jar from the 
  repository can be used by all modules in 4.0.x
  The CTS 
  tests need to be run agains retrotranslated jbossws.
  
  A small number of 
  issues still need to be resolved for jbossws-1.0 final.
  
  
  cheers
  -thomas
  
  


[JBoss-dev] [JBoss JIRA] Commented: (JBAS-754) DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false +

2004-12-10 Thread Sacha Labourey (JIRA)
 [ http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-754?page=comments#action_12312673 
]
 
Sacha Labourey commented on JBAS-754:
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JBossHA node naming is now di-associated from JavaGroups 
naming. Node name can be explicitely set but, by default, a 
name is created at startup by JBoss (localIP:JNDI_PORT as a 
first strategy). This should fix some of the singleton issues 
seen.

Furthermore the DRM.add method know makes synchronous 
calls over the cluster to avoid DRM.isMasterReplica consider 
itself as a master because state with other nodes is not yet 
synched. This should solved the remaining singleton issues.

As part of these changes a farming bug has been fixed which 
was causing already-deployed apps to be re-deployed on 
running nodes when starting a new node (most frequent 
when having at least 3 nodes).

Please TEST this new version and provide feedback if 
something is broken by this change.


 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false +
 ---

  Key: JBAS-754
  URL: http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-754
  Project: JBoss Application Server
 Type: Bug
   Components: Clustering
 Versions: JBossAS-3.2.6 Final
 Reporter: SourceForge User
 Assignee: Sacha Labourey



 SourceForge Submitter: slaboure .
 There is a race condition i the 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) that 
 shows up when this 
 method is called from within a notifyKeyListeners as 
 shown by this stack trace:
 Thread main@65 status: RUNNING
 - isMasterReplica():437, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManag
 erImpl
 - isDRMMasterReplica():234, 
 org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 - partitionTopologyChanged():103, 
 org.jboss.ha.singleton.HASingletonSupport
 - replicantsChanged():197, 
 org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport$1
 - notifyKeyListeners():675, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManag
 erImpl
 - add():326, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManag
 erImpl
 - registerDRMListener():204, 
 org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 - startService():144, 
 org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 This is due the the choice to return true when the key in 
 question is in the
 localReplicants table, but not the replicants table:
 public boolean isMasterReplica (String key)
 {
if (!localReplicants.containsKey (key))
   return false;
Vector allNodes = this.partition.getCurrentView ();
HashMap repForKey = (HashMap)replicants.get
 (key);
if (repForKey==null)
   return true; 
 This seems to be an ambiguous condition as this 
 condition exists for a node that 
 calls add and when the state has not synched or has 
 failed to synch. Another 
 problem I'm seeing at least in the context of the 
 singleton service is that the 
 notion of the master node is unstable. Here is the output 
 from one of 3 nodes 
 running the singleton service starting with the addition 
 of the final node shown 
 as view 2.
 15:35:44,637 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) 
 [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
 CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 
 5s:948ms
 15:36:27,719 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 
 2 ([lamia:32947, 
 172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770] delta: 1)
 15:36:27,749 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] 
 Dead members: 0
 15:37:13,555 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view 
 (id: 3, delta: -1) : 
 [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770]
 15:37:13,575 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] 
 Dead members: 1
 15:38:13,321 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified 
 to start as singleton
 15:38:13,321 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view 
 (id: 4, delta: 1) : 
 [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770, lamia:32949]
 15:38:13,331 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] 
 Dead members: 0
 15:38:13,361 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified 
 to stop as singleton
 15:39:13,447 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified 
 to start as singleton
 15:39:13,457 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified 
 to stop as singleton
 With view 3 the orginal node and singleton is killed and 
 the node for which the 
 console output corresponds(172.17.66.54) is selected as 
 the singleton. When the 
 third node is started again there is some thrashing due 
 to the existing 2 nodes 
 both selecting themselves as the singleton and telling 
 the other to stop and it 
 appears that there is no singleton choosen. The problem 
 seems to be inconsistent 
   matching of member names. Once only knows it IP 
 while the other node knows the 
 hostnames. Here is the console view of the second node 
 showing the hostnames and 
 its thrashing:
 15:25:21,023 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) 
 [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
 CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 
 13s:597ms
 15:26:05,562 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 
 3 ([succubus:2821

[JBoss-dev] [JBossWS] - Re: Admin GUI for JBossWS now Available!!

2004-11-15 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Mike,

Why don't you contribute that to JBoss CVS, put it as part of the default 
distrib, etc.? We have started working on a management console and I am sure 
your tool would fit into it.

cheers,


sacha

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[JBoss-dev] [Benchmarking] - Re: Benchmark JBoss vs. WebLogic

2004-10-03 Thread Sacha Labourey
Can you elaborate on this native IO feature? what does it handle specifically? file 
access? network access?

thanks

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[JBoss-dev] [Clusters on JBoss (Clusters/JBoss)] - Re: obtaining IP for targets in loadbalance policy

2004-09-13 Thread Sacha Labourey
this is the only clean solution today, this needs to be fixed in future releases and 
target should be able to contain arbitrary payload to allow for extended 
load-policies.

cheers,

sacha

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[JBoss-dev] [Management on JBoss] - Re: re: Web Console - HTML vs. Applet tree

2004-08-18 Thread Sacha Labourey
 - Right-click on an entry of the tree and see a list of contextual entries you can 
invoke
 - lazy-load part of the tree only once you really need to open the sub-tree

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[JBoss-dev] [Benchmarking] - Re: Jboss3.0.4_tomcat-4.1.12 and ECPerf 1.1

2004-06-16 Thread Sacha Labourey
and please use a recent optimized version, like 3.2.4 or at least 3.2.3. 3.0.4 is very 
old and hasn't gone through the same steps of optimisation has the 3.2.x (x3) branch.

Cheers,

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[JBoss-dev] [Clusters on JBoss (Clusters/JBoss)] - Re: heterogeneous cluster nodes

2004-05-25 Thread Sacha Labourey
No thorough tests?!? let me speak to your professor ;)

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[JBoss-dev] FW: JSR 86: Final Ballot Approved

2004-04-28 Thread Sacha Labourey
 

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The SE/EE Executive Committee has approved the Final Approval Ballot of:

JSR-86 Enterprise Media Beans

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[JBoss-dev] [Nukes Development] - Re: API ???

2004-03-24 Thread Sacha Labourey
complete source code ? Well, it has always been fully available on sf.net!

Furthermore, daily snapshots are available here:
http://jboss.sourceforge.net/snapshots/

Cheers,


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RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: Service Lifecyle confusions - potential fix

2004-03-10 Thread Sacha Labourey
And don't forget... We should really have the restart semantic in the
new state diagram ;) 

 -Original Message-
 From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott M Stark
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Core
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] RE: Service Lifecyle confusions - 
 potential fix
 
 
 I often see people puzzled by the fact that the depend tag 
 does not include
 registration. When there are two SARs, the second of which 
 has MBeans that
 depend on classes in the first one, the microkernel troughs 
 Class Not Found
 exception if it happens to deploy the dependant SAR first.
 
 Also as Adrian noted, developers usually expect clicking on 
 Stop in the console
 to also stop the dependant MBeans in the appropriate order.
 
 The MBean lifecycle improvements are on the roadmap and we 
 need to document the
 detailed requirements in one place. I could do that later, 
 but for now I hardly
 find time to collect the JMS ones.
 
 Ivelin
 
 
 
 --- Adrian Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 02:20, Adrian Brock wrote:
   On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 02:08, Scott M Stark wrote:
The state machine was not immeadiately for the service 
 layer, but
will be used to enforce illegal transitions if we 
 decide on a state
diagram.

The suggested change makes sense, but the other problem 
 is the fact
that the deployment layer is out of the loop in this. 
   
   I wasn't considering deployment, only lifecyle.
  
  I actually feel lifecycle is unnecessary if read-ahead and
  IOC was implemented. It would be replaced by ordered configuration
  and valves. The user would have two options start/stop the valve
  or deploy/undeploy the service.
  
   
I would like
to couple dependency and life cycle to delay the creation of the
service as an mbean, but have not really looked at how 
 big a change
this is.
   
   My preferred solution for this to read-ahead all deployments
   to determine the full graph (including class and jndi 
 dependencies)
   before any deployment starts. You can then inject 
 configuration IOC
   style. It would also give enough information to allow a realistic
   valve implementation.
   I haven't figured out how you identify the deployers or 
 the scanner
   as special - i.e. allowing their initial processing 
 before the full
   graph has been read - so they can contribute to the graph.
   
  
  One solution would be to run core services/deployers in ring zero
  a sort of controlling sub-machine/extensible kernel. This would make
  other services slightly second class citizens.
  This still does not solve the problem generally,
  e.g. 
  1) how to allow pluggable logging (currently implemented with
  a boot.log and server.log)
  2) how to run the boot under a security context and still 
 have pluggable
  security
  3) what if you want your mbean persistence from the db for your core
  services when the db connection isn't deployed until later
  
  It's almost like you a need a separate bootstrap process
  that boots enough to configure the main machine before 
 being discarded
  in favour of it? A bit like the bios/boot block in the pc.
  
  Regards,
  Adrian
  
   I'd also like to introduce cleverer (more fine grained) dependency
   information like the ejb deployer should not depend upon jms.
   Instead it should be based on whether jms is used, either by an
   mdb or a resource-ref.
   This would potentially allow the jmx-console to deploy 
 eariler rather
   than waiting for unnecessary dependencies specified on 
 the web deployer.
   
   Regards,
   Adrian
   


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC
  

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrian Brock 
 Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:24 PM
 To: Scott M Stark
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Core
 Subject: Service Lifecyle confusions - potential fix
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 Are you working on the Service lifecycle?
 I saw you replaced common's state machine implementation.
 
 I was thinking that there should be an extra indirection to 
 avoid the confusion caused by people clicking stop() and 
 other operations in the console where dependencies are not 
 taken into account.
 
 My idea is that you implement an extra operation in 
 ServiceMBeanSupport
 
 public void jbossServiceLifecylce(String operation) throws 
 Exception { if (operation.equals(create)) { // the current 
 create() method } etc.
 }
 
 This would be invoked from ServiceController.ServiceProxy 
 when it is implemented by the MBean.
 
 This would allow us to change the current
 ServiceMBeanSupport.create() to be:
 serviceController.create(serviceName);
 etc.
 
 Now clicking stop() in the console goes via the service 
 controller making sure dependencies 

[JBoss-dev] Re: [JBoss-user] Problems getting started ...

2004-01-18 Thread Sacha Labourey
That's something to modify in the jmx-console/web-console: we should
precompile JSP at build time.

- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Problems getting started ...


 Hey, thanks! The JMX Console now works!

 But now I'm confused ... shouldn't it run using the J2RE? Do I have to
 install the SDK on the live system (will be a linux server)?

 The other thing is that the class loader warnings are still there and the
 same as before.

 Thanks,
 Chris

  I suggest you first try to set JAVA_HOME to your SDK
  installation instead of the JRE
 
  this might not solve your problem but it's a good
  start
 
  ionel



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Fwd: ASF JIRA Installation is available

2004-01-15 Thread Sacha Labourey
To paraphrase Danch:

you _are_ joking, right?
 

  On Behalf Of Bill Burke:
 suck me
 
 Andrew Oliver wrote:
  Maybe someone can write a bug tracker module for nukes }:-)




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RE: [JBoss-dev] Fwd: ASF JIRA Installation is available

2004-01-15 Thread Sacha Labourey
You mean SMD, right? 

LOL :)

s-dev] Fwd: ASF JIRA Installation is available
 
 suck me
 
 Andrew Oliver wrote:
  Maybe someone can write a bug tracker module for nukes }:-)
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] What are you doing that is cool on JBoss?

2004-01-15 Thread Sacha Labourey
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Andrew Oliver

 So I do a lot of JBoss training and when I'm not doing that 
 I'm working on
 making JBoss a kick-ass email server so that no one ever has 
 to use exchange
 or domino again.  I often wonder what the quiet folks are 
 doing that is cool
 with JBoss.
 
 So if you don't have a jboss.org/.com address or even if you 
 do, pipe up and
 tell me what you're doing.

I give JBoss training and I love Exchange 2003.

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Re: [JBoss-dev] Web integration (clustering) updates

2004-01-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Rémy,

 Would it be possible to switch to TC 5 for JB 3.2.4 (assuming there's
 someone to test and bugfix the clustering code) ? I did add the JSR 77
 stats, so the web console works and has the same stats as with TC 4.1 now.

It is not my decision but in a recent e-mail (virtual hosting) you said that
it needed some more testing, do you think it is really safe to do the change
now (remember these are stable minor releases)?




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Re: [JBoss-dev] Webconsole Snapshot Recording of JMX attributes

2004-01-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, I remember exactly:
 - I know Java
 - I don't know DHTML

:)

If you want to reimplement it in DTHML and check on the server side if the
browser supports it and send the appropriate version of the tree, fine!

Cheers,


sacha

- Original Message - 
From: Ivelin Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Webconsole Snapshot Recording of JMX attributes



 Sacha, do you remember what drove your decision to use
 Swing for the management tree in the web console?

 The reason why I am asking is because we (in our
 company) had to go through a long and painful round of
 experiments and prototypes comparing the feasibility
 of DHTML vs Swing for a big project. One of the
 prototypes showed how to efficiently implement dynamic
 tree that updates some of its nodes over time.

 At the end, DHTML came ahead because of its better
 cross-browser, cross-platform availability, compared
 to java plug-ins. Although it is much less pleasent to
 code to.


 Ivelin

 --- Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The web-console framework is Sacha's baby.  I've
  just added shit.
 
  Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
 
   Cool.
   I assume this is a feature of the web console, not
  the
   jmx console?
  
   BTW, how did you make the decision to use a java
   applet in the web console vs. dhtml?
  
   Ivelin
  
  
   --- Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hi all,
  
  I just committed the ability to do snapshot
  recordings of any JMX
  attribute within the web-console.
  
  To use it, you right-click a JMX attribute and
  choose the create
  snapshot item.
  
   From there you can start/stop snapshotting.
  Review
  the dataset and
  Graph the dataset.
  
  This is currently only available in Branch_3_2 and
  will be released with
  3.2.4 (or the next RC of 3.2.4)
  
  Regards,
  
  
  Bill
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Web integration (clustering) updates

2004-01-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
 I would qualify JMX 1.2 as a major addition, so maybe it 
 would be a good 
 idea to change the numbering scheme (3.2.3 was a minor update, 3.2.2 
 wasn't, and 3.2.4 isn't going to be one either).

I agree, I didn't expected the JMX 1.2 migration, that was quite a big move,
I was impressed by so much courage :)

Cheers,


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Re: [JBoss-dev] If JSR-77 stats were mbeans...

2004-01-06 Thread Sacha Labourey
But it is already like that, no?!?
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jboss-Dev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:52 PM
Subject: [JBoss-dev] If JSR-77 stats were mbeans...


 If JSR-77 stats were mbeans then we could use all the monitoring, 
 snapshotting and graphing features.  Is it feasible to make current 
 MBeans that manage EJBs, JMS, etc... implement the JSR-77 interfaces and 
 expose these stats as JMX attributes?  Just a thought and I haven't put 
 any research at all to see whether this was feasible or not.  Just 
 thought I would throw it out.
 
 Bill
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: Clustering tasks

2003-12-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Some of them are already there, some not, but in 4.0 they should all be
there with easy configuration syntax:
 - asych vs synch
 - immediate vs time-based 
 - granularity: session, attribute, AOP-liked (field-based)
 - transparent (or pre-defined) sub-cluster (brother-nodes) replication
(when you have 5 nodes, you don't want each node to replicate to the four
others) - base code is there, integration is missing
 - state startup: when a new node starts, should it pre-replicate the state
of its brother-node or not
 - cluster-wide, http-concurrent-requests-for-same-session handling scheme.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Ivelin Ivanov
 Sent: lundi, 22. décembre 2003 05:22
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] RE: Clustering tasks
 
 
 Can Sacha or somebody explain what the various http
 replication schemes are ?
 
 Sacha:  - sexy httpsession replication schemes
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: HA JMS - singleton load balancing policy

2003-12-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Well.. The same as the clustered invoker but transport independent ;) 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Ivelin Ivanov
 Sent: lundi, 22. décembre 2003 18:13
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: HA JMS - singleton load balancing policy
 
 
 Can you enumerate the key features of a clustered
 interceptor? 
 
 --- Sacha Labourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  As part of 4.0, we have to replace the smart proxies
  with clustered
  interceptors, we could reuse them then. 
  
   -Original Message-
   From:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On 
   Behalf Of Ivelin Ivanov
   Sent: dimanche, 21. dicembre 2003 18:05
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: HA JMS - singleton
  load balancing policy
   
   
   Yes, this is how it works now. 
   The client side of the HAIL uses the singleton
   notifications, which in turn use the DRM.
   The question is how to implement the client stub
  so
   that it does not have to be part of the cluster.
   
   The smart RMI stubs take care of communicating
  with
   the back end to receive regular snapshots of the
   cluster view. There has to be additinal info about
  the
   current singleton server. As Scott mentioned this
  can
   be probably done as an extension to one of the
  load
   balncing policies. 
   
   However UIL2 does not use the smart RMI stubs. How
  to
   merge them? Just use the RMI stuff for HAIL and
  don't
   worry about UIL2 for now?
   
   Is the existing remoting at a stage that can
  replace
   UIL2 without any loss of benefits ? I am not
  familiar
   with it yet.
   
   Ivelin
   
   
   
   
   
   --- Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DistributedReplicantManager should be able
  to
organize separate 
endpoints.  HAIL or any other IL should
  interface
with it.

Bill

Ivelin Ivanov wrote:

 Ok, that is what I thought.
 Let's see if this can be an easy fix.
 Seems like UIL2 doesn't leverage the smart RMI
stubs.
 Any suggestions how to attack this? Have UIL2
  use
 smart RMI stubs somehow, write a completely
different
 IL based on the smart RMI stubs or reuse OIL.
 
 Currently the HAIL client stub is listening
  for
 changes in the cluster topology and cancels
  the
 connection when the singleton moves.
 
 
 Ivelin
 
 --- Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
Its a variation of the FirstAvailable load
balancing
policy that
chooses the singleton rather than one of the
cluster
nodes.

-- 

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Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC


Ivelin Ivanov wrote:


An interesting problem came up related to HA
  JMS.
There is a need for a remoting mechanism that
  can

not

only keep a current list of the cluster
  nodes,
but
also know which one is the singleton node for
  a
particular service.

Is this something that should be added to the

roadmap

under remoting? Would it be implemented as a
  kind

of

load-balancing strategy or some other way?

Ivelin






   
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: HA JMS - singleton load balancing policy

2003-12-21 Thread Sacha Labourey
As part of 4.0, we have to replace the smart proxies with clustered
interceptors, we could reuse them then. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Ivelin Ivanov
 Sent: dimanche, 21. décembre 2003 18:05
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: HA JMS - singleton load balancing policy
 
 
 Yes, this is how it works now. 
 The client side of the HAIL uses the singleton
 notifications, which in turn use the DRM.
 The question is how to implement the client stub so
 that it does not have to be part of the cluster.
 
 The smart RMI stubs take care of communicating with
 the back end to receive regular snapshots of the
 cluster view. There has to be additinal info about the
 current singleton server. As Scott mentioned this can
 be probably done as an extension to one of the load
 balncing policies. 
 
 However UIL2 does not use the smart RMI stubs. How to
 merge them? Just use the RMI stuff for HAIL and don't
 worry about UIL2 for now?
 
 Is the existing remoting at a stage that can replace
 UIL2 without any loss of benefits ? I am not familiar
 with it yet.
 
 Ivelin
 
 
 
 
 
 --- Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The DistributedReplicantManager should be able to
  organize separate 
  endpoints.  HAIL or any other IL should interface
  with it.
  
  Bill
  
  Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
  
   Ok, that is what I thought.
   Let's see if this can be an easy fix.
   Seems like UIL2 doesn't leverage the smart RMI
  stubs.
   Any suggestions how to attack this? Have UIL2 use
   smart RMI stubs somehow, write a completely
  different
   IL based on the smart RMI stubs or reuse OIL.
   
   Currently the HAIL client stub is listening for
   changes in the cluster topology and cancels the
   connection when the singleton moves.
   
   
   Ivelin
   
   --- Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  Its a variation of the FirstAvailable load
  balancing
  policy that
  chooses the singleton rather than one of the
  cluster
  nodes.
  
  -- 
  
  Scott Stark
  Chief Technology Officer
  JBoss Group, LLC
  
  
  Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
  
  
  An interesting problem came up related to HA JMS.
  There is a need for a remoting mechanism that can
  
  not
  
  only keep a current list of the cluster nodes,
  but
  also know which one is the singleton node for a
  particular service.
  
  Is this something that should be added to the
  
  roadmap
  
  under remoting? Would it be implemented as a kind
  
  of
  
  load-balancing strategy or some other way?
  
  Ivelin
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Tomcat updates

2003-11-30 Thread Sacha Labourey
 - The session clustering code is now ported to Tomcat 5, but it will 
 likely need fixes to work.

Need help? What is the problem? Have you done some testing?



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Testsuite Compilation Failed! JBoss (HEAD/linux1/1.4.2_01) [AUTOMATED]

2003-11-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
Is there a build-breaking competition these days? 

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: added graphing to web console

2003-11-26 Thread Sacha Labourey
I get the same problem and the right-button popup never shows up. There
seems to be a platform-dependent issue on this.

 

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 does it only work under JDK 1.2.2 ?
 
 I've tried to run it off the latest snapshot and get tge following 
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[JBoss-dev] FW: JSR 151: Final Release

2003-11-25 Thread Sacha Labourey
 

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Build in 3.2

2003-11-24 Thread Sacha Labourey
Ok, I get it, I had most probably modified a moduleXXX/build.xml

Thanks adrian.

Cheers,


sacha 

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 On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 14:09, Bill Burke wrote:
  I think buildmagic files were moved around.  One shapshot I had 
  recently wouldn't build, but I got latest, and it worked.
 
 I am very conservative when it comes to checking for changes.
 If build/build.xml, module/build.xml, tools or thirdparty 
 changes everything is rebuilt.
 
 Of course you can force this yourself with ./build.sh clean first.
 The big problem (which probably hit Bill) is that a cvs 
 update doesn't pull down new jars in thirdparty.
 
 Regards,
 Adrian
 
  
  Sacha Labourey wrote:
  
   Has anything changed recently? Adrian had optimized the build 
   process a few months ago so that rebuilding JBoss (build after 
   build) was taking MUCH less time and it seems this 
 doesn't work anymore.
   
   
   
   
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[JBoss-dev] Build in 3.2

2003-11-23 Thread Sacha Labourey
Has anything changed recently? Adrian had optimized the build process a few
months ago so that rebuilding JBoss (build after build) was taking MUCH less
time and it seems this doesn't work anymore.




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[JBoss-dev] Tomcat session replication

2003-11-23 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

A few changes in the Tomcat HTTP Session replication code.

First, some unnecessary synchronization has been removed. This should lead
to better scalability and in some cases remove the impression that the
replication is hanging.

Second, the replication has been improved. Without using AOP-like
frameworks, it is hard to determine when an HTTP session is modified. When
setAttribute is called, the situation is (almost) obvious. However, if only
getAttribute is called, you never know as something like that could occur:
( (HashMap)session.getAttribute (bla) ).put (newKey,
newValue);

In that case, the setAttribute is never called but the content of the
session is modified. Consequently, it is up to the developer to help the
container optimize its work.

A new tag (session-replication-trigger) has been added to JBoss-web.xml:

!ELEMENT jboss-web (class-loading?, security-domain?, context-root?,
   virtual-host?, use-session-cookies?, session-replication-trigger?,
resource-env-ref*,
   resource-ref* , ejb-ref* , ejb-local-ref*, depends*)

This tag determines when the container should consider that a session must
be replicated accross the cluster. Possible values are:
  1 - SET_AND_GET
  2 - SET_AND_NON_PRIMITIVE_GET (default value)
  3 - SET

The first option is conservative but not optimal (performance-wise): it will
replicate the session even if its content has not been modified but simply
accessed (getAttribute). As shown above, there is no deterministic way to
know if the content of an attribute is not itself modified. It WAS the
default value in the past (simply because it was the only implementation
available), which explain why the perf will be improved now.

The second option is conservative but will only replicate if a non-primitive
Object has been accessed (Integer, Long, Double, Short, String, etc. which
are immutables). We can take that decision because the previous example
cannot be used to modify a session without calling setAttribute (as the
objects are immutable). It is the NEW default value.

The third option considers that the developer will explicitely call
setAttribute on the session otherwise it will not be automatically
replicated.

Tag examples:
 
session-replication-triggerSET_AND_GET/session-replication-trigger
  or
 
session-replication-triggerSET_AND_NON_PRIMITIVE_GET/session-replication-
trigger
  or
 session-replication-triggerSET/session-replication-trigger


Furthermore, in the past, when a new session was created, two replications
were occuring (one for the creation, one when setting the session). Now,
these two steps are reduce to a single step = a single replication.

These two changes should improve the performance of your current clustered
Web Application (using Tomcat).

Cheers,


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[JBoss-dev] HTTP Session testing

2003-11-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

I've:
 - backported the loadbalancer to branch 3.2 (it works great BTW!)
 - added a sample test WAR to the testsuite
 - created a new target in build/build.xml named hahttp-configs

Launching this target will create 3 configs that can be run on the same IP: 
   - http1: first web server with ha-httpsession WAR (clustered)
   - http2: second web server with ha-httpsession WAR (clustered)
   - LB: JBoss load-balancer configured to dispatch to http1 and http2

In testsuite/src/etc/jmeter, you will find a Jmeter file that test this
scenario on the local host.

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RE: [JBoss-dev] Bla: JBoss Configuration Evolution between releases [long]

2003-11-09 Thread Sacha Labourey
 We already have this capability, its just a question of using 
 it. The hsqldb-ds.xml can reference a
   classpath codebase=lib/hsql archives=hsqldb.jar/ 
 There is no reason to add new semantics to the current 
 classpath element.
 There are new semantics in terms of identity of classes by 
 virture of the fact that the hsqsdb.jar classes are now 
 associated with the hsqldb-ds.xml deployment rather than the 
 conf/jboss-service.xml deployment.

Yes, I am not saying that nothing is there and everything must be
reimplemented. Some of my suggestions are simply about better usage of the
current JBoss possibilities. This is mostly DD cleanup and extracting these
JARs from the straight lib that is read by conf/JBoss-service.xml

2) /conf

...
  1) conf files
  One solution would be to have JBoss use a JBOSS_CONF environment 
  variable that would point to a folder (server/xxx/user by 
 default) 
  and this folder would be BEFORE server/xxx/conf on the classpath. 
  Consequently, if log4j.xml is redefined (i.e. exists) in 
 JBOSS_CONF, 
  it is used, otherwise the default server/xxx/conf/log4j.xml file is 
  used. When upgrading to a new release of JBoss, you can 
 either re-copy 
  your server/xxx/user directory from one release to the other or 
  simply do nothing if JBOSS_CONF is defined by the developer 
 and targets a directory OUTSIDE JBoss directory structure.
  
 This is asking for a configuration service. The notion here 
 of merging overrides based on speical URLs has too many 
 implementation requirements.

What do you mean?

  2) jboss-service.xml
...
  really questionnable as JBoss could very well run without them 
  (invokers, bsh-deployer). Ideally, this file should contain 
 the REALLY 
  minimal set of services AND be self-sufficient (if you don't start 
  anything else, JBoss shouldn't complain
  - which wasn't necesarly the case in the past: some version 
 of JBoss 
  would throw exceptions with an empty /deploy folder, as 
  deploy/jboss-jca.sar was
  required...)
  
 This is a change in the notion we have put forth for the 
 conf/jboss-service.xml file as the statically defined 
 services. What 'should' be needed is arbitrary, and some of 
 what is needed like the currently hard-coded MainDeployer, 
 SARDeployer, ServiceController, etc should be externalized. 
 You argument for minimization has to do with not having to 
 modify the configuration to collect the user defined 
 overrides. This gets to the point of seperating service 
 definition from activation.

Yes, that is the point: not having to modify the configuration to collect
the user defined overrides

  NOTE: One hypothesis that I did in this /conf/JBoss-service.xml 
  section was that this file was so minimal that the developer will 
  never want NOT to start one of its services. I will not make that 
  hypothesis in the next section (about /deploy).
  
 So you are promoting the binding service as the source of 
 service configuration information. The location of the 
 service file can be externalizable via a system property by 
 specifying its name as the StoreURL attribute value. It seems 
 that this service will need to evolve to support a heirarchy 
 of config info or else you are back to the user having to 
 update the default settings shipped with the distribution.

Yes.

  - Binding Manager Extensions
...
  interested in providing the INPUT DATA, not the BM engine or its 
  configuration (as this is service specific). Consequently, the user 
  should only say to the BM tomcat port is 80 and its 
 logging level is bla, but no more provide 25 lines of ugly XSLT.
  
 This is revolutionary change to the BM. The specification of 
 the data users can provide is not independent from the engine 
 configuration. You cannot do the tomcat port is 80 and its 
 logging level is bla config today because the logging level 
 has not been defined as settable via the BM.

Yes, but this information could be extracted from a standard meta-data file
that could be provided by the service in itself (or its DD). For simple
engine, the attributes that can be overriden are the mbeans attributes
whereas for more complex engines, this should be provided by the service.
this means both the XSLT engine configuration AND the list of
attributes.

  - Service *definition* vs Service *activation* As 
...
  This Activation Manager (AM) service could simply be an 
 extension of 
...
 
 I don't disagree in general with what you are driving at, but 
 this is well outside of the scope of a 3.2 release, so what 
 is the plan for introducing these changes? Its arguable that 
 any of this can be done short of a major release.

Most of these changes could be transparently added to 3.2, while others may
have to wait for 4.0. My point is first to find a path where we think
JBoss config should go and then we can decide how to map it to the release
agenda.

Cheers,

sacha




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RE: [JBoss-dev] Bla: JBoss Configuration Evolution between releases [long]

2003-11-09 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Most services using the conf directory are just doing a 
 ClassLoader.getResource() so overriding the conf with a user 
 specific one means there is a directory in the classpath 
 search order ahead of the default. This places restrictions 

Yes.

 on the class loader implementation, and if you are talking 

Why? This would be our classloader that we setup during the micro-kernel
startup: instead of simply setting one, we would possibly set two. In
org.jboss.system.server.ServerImpl.initBootLibraries():

  list.add(config.getServerConfigURL());

We would add another one before, if a directory if specified. I guess the
order of the UCL is kept intact, right?

  Yes, but this information could be extracted from a 
 standard meta-data 
  file that could be provided by the service in itself (or 
 its DD). For 
  simple engine, the attributes that can be overriden are the mbeans 
  attributes whereas for more complex engines, this should 
 be provided by the service.
  this means both the XSLT engine configuration AND the list of 
  attributes.
 Right, but the point is, what data is available to set by the 
 end user depends on this service level metadata. This 
 ultimately either entails looking at what xsl variables are 
 being used or yet another level of metadata that defines the 
 implicit attributes used in nested configurations. The latter 
 is required as well for any admin console that is going to 
 provide a meaningful view into the configuration of a 
 non-trival mbean like the web container.

I was thinking about the second solution (yet another level of metadata).

 I agree there needs to be a roadmap, I don't agree that these 
 are transparent changes that can be added to 3.2.

I think these are transparent to 3.2:
 - adding an optional conf bis folder for overloading conf file doesn't
impact already running servers
 - providing an extension of the BM that would provide a more meaningfull
interface doesn't impace the existing BM (simply another version: simply
pick the one that fits your needs)

What is obviously not transparent for 3.2 is the startup management of
services (the Activation Manager).

Cheers,


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[JBoss-dev] Bla: JBoss Configuration Evolution between releases [long]

2003-11-08 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

I would like to continue our discussion of JBoss configuration as I think we
must make that much better for future releases of JBoss.

There are lots of facets to this problem but in order to keep things simply,
I would like to start talking about a single one: user configuration of
JBoss and migration to a newer minor release.

The rational behind this being: why do I need so much work when upgrading
between *minor* releases of JBoss and ZERO effort between migrating between
minor releases of mySQL, Microsoft IIS or PHP. Simply because the user
configuration is not mixed with code and service definition.

Use case:
=
As a user of JBoss, I download a release of JBoss (3.2.1) and configure it
to fit my requirements: I add some services (JMS queues, data sources,
etc.), new applications (EAR, WAR, etc..), change some existing services
(update tomcat port, change jmx-console user/pass, etc.) and disable/remove
some default services (SNMP, HSQLDB, web-console, mail service, all JMX
invokers).

1 month later, I see that JBoss is just released with some great performance
improvments (thank's Bill, Scott and Adrian!). I download it and have to
play to a great game during 30 minutes: merge my current configuration of
JBoss with the new just downloaded 3.2.2.

Problem: the user configuration is tightly linked to JBoss itself. How to
have a loosly coupling between both?

JBoss Today:

Today, a resulting JBoss instance is defined by:
 1) the JARs in /lib
 2) some static configuration files in /conf
 3) some dynamic services/applications in /deploy

Let's see what it means for our use case above.

  1) /lib
  ===
/lib is maybe the easiest case: it mostly contains JBoss's needed classes. 

One small problem maybe: some of these classes are not directly use by the
JBoss microkernel directly (nor by the services in conf/JBoss-service.xml)
but by services that will be later deployed in /deploy (such as
hsqldb-ds.xml). Consequently, if I later decide not to use HSQLDB by
removing that service definition from /deploy, I still have HSQLDB classes
in my classpath. The risk is to overload the classpath with unnecessary
classes and maybe generate class version problems: if I want to deploy my
OWN version of HSQLDB, removing hsqldb-ds.xml from /deploy and putting
myOwnHSQLDBService.sar in deploy is not enough, I will have to remove
hsqldb.jar from /lib.

Suggestion: we may want to reduce what we put by default in /lib or have
some kind of conditional loading i.e. we could put JARs such as hsqldb.jar
in /lib/cond and have this JAR extend the classpath ONLY IF a service
definition contained a classpath codebase=lib/cond
archives=hsqldb.jar/

That way, if we use HSQLDB, this JAR will extend JBoss classpath, otherwise
it will not.

  2) /conf
  
This directory is intersting for two reasons: 1) because it is part of the
classpath and thus used by many services to load their configuration file(s)
2) because it contains the JBoss-service.xml file that will bootstrap JBoss.

1) conf files
Concerning the first reason (contains configuration files), the problem is
that if I am not happy with a default configuration file (log4j.xml,
jbossmq-state.xml, jacorb.properties, etc.) I can modify it but will have a
merge problem once I want to upgrade to a newer version of JBoss. So the
question is: how may I override these files without having to merge later
when uprading.

One solution would be to have JBoss use a JBOSS_CONF environment variable
that would point to a folder (server/xxx/user by default) and this folder
would be BEFORE server/xxx/conf on the classpath. Consequently, if
log4j.xml is redefined (i.e. exists) in JBOSS_CONF, it is used, otherwise
the default server/xxx/conf/log4j.xml file is used. When upgrading to a new
release of JBoss, you can either re-copy your server/xxx/user directory
from one release to the other or simply do nothing if JBOSS_CONF is defined
by the developer and targets a directory OUTSIDE JBoss directory structure.

2) jboss-service.xml
This file contains the default services that any JBoss instance should
need. Some of them are obvious (logging), some others are questionnable
outside an EJB server (EJBDeployer) and some others are really questionnable
as JBoss could very well run without them (invokers, bsh-deployer). Ideally,
this file should contain the REALLY minimal set of services AND be
self-sufficient (if you don't start anything else, JBoss shouldn't complain
- which wasn't necesarly the case in the past: some version of JBoss would
throw exceptions with an empty /deploy folder, as deploy/jboss-jca.sar was
required...)

Once/if you have purified JBoss-service.xml (that contains the strict
minimum), the risk to have to change its content for your own needs is very
low. At most, you may want to change the port used by a service, or some
setting (such as the org.jboss.web.WebService:DownloadServerClasses
attribute). 

So, to solve that problem, we can use 

RE: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.3RC1

2003-11-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
Will this contain the fix for the problem that occurs when doing invocation
from JacORB against Orbix as well? 

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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.3RC1
 
 When will you get 3.2.3.RC1 from CVS?
 
 There has been a JacORB bug fix (for Arjuna) that is not in 
 our CVS yet. I´d generate a patched version of jacorb.jar
 with the fix.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Francisco
 
 On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Scott M Stark wrote:
 
  I'm putting together a 3.2.3RC1 release to pickup some 
 recent bug fixes. I'm
  working on a fix for [ 832561 ] NoSuchMethodException when 
 HAJNDI joins cluster
  that I want to include. If there are any other must have 
 fixes let me know.
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.3RC1

2003-11-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
I think it is this one:

http://www.jacorb.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=398 

Do you know if your release will include it? It seems to be part of beta 3.
Do you know what is the status of Jacorb WRT csiv2?

Cheers,


sacha

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 I am not aware of such problem... Cheers,
 



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RE: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.3RC1

2003-11-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Bug #398 is the same as bug #365, which has been fixed before beta 2:
 
 http://www.jacorb.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=365
 
 The fix is already included in the jacorb.jar library distributed
 with JBoss 3.2.2.

excellent

 CSIv2 is also there, but I didn't test it yet. We should try it
 as the basis for interoperable EJB security.

Great, I didn't know that!

Cheers Francisco,


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Check out problem

2003-11-07 Thread Sacha Labourey
I have the same problem. 

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 Behalf Of Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: vendredi, 7. novembre 2003 17:10
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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] Check out problem
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to do a fresh checkout of HEAD (jboss-head) but 
 after getting
 most (or all?) of the sources I get:
 
 ...
 cvs server: Updating
 remoting/src/test/org/jboss/remoting/detection/multicast
 U
 remoting/src/test/org/jboss/remoting/detection/multicast/Multi
 castUnitTestCa
 se.java
 cvs [server aborted]: there is no repository
 /cvsroot/jboss/jboss-jmx-remoting
 
 *CVS exited normally with code 1*
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [jboss-group] RE: [Core] WG: Comparison between BEA JBoss

2003-11-05 Thread Sacha Labourey
That was different issues:

1) Scripting is a way to modify an EXISTING DEFAULT JBoss instance by
changing its settings. My proposal was going further than BSH by having a
higher-level API to manage the server itself.

2) Categorization of the deployment directories: this is to make some
cleanup
 
3) non hot-deployable folder that is still read at boot-time by the scanner:
to allow wizard to create new persistent services and get synchronous
feedback about the result of the deployment

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 Sent: mercredi, 5. novembre 2003 01:32
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [jboss-group] RE: [Core] WG: 
 Comparison between BEA  JBoss
 
 Scripting is getting off of the original topic of not knowing how to
 edit a component's config. Free form scripting as an admin tool
 is a step backwards from an admin interface, and already exists via
 the bsh deployer.
 
 Categorization of the deployment directories is also not 
 really addressing
 the issue. We need a filtered view of the mbeans that loses the jmx
 object names and replaces them with meaningful component names like
 WebServer, WebApplication(/somectx), EJBContainer(jndiName=xxx), ...
 
 Bill Burke wrote:
 
  What are we talking about here?
  
  Migration?
  Scripting?
  Management?
  
  What?
  
  Let's break it up into those categories and create separate 
 discussions.
  
  PLEASE CC JBOSS_DEV
  
  Bill
  
  Sacha Labourey wrote:
  
  This is because you consider the system services as dirt. 
 
 
  If you consider it
 
  as the system, putting that in a system folder makes sense. 
 
 
  Remember 2.4.x?
 
  the deploy was empty and that was great from a user 
 point of view.
 
 
  Why? You're just moving the files to a different 
 location..? Now they're
  going to a system folder and trying to figure out which 
 file they should
  modify to get their SSL invoker configured...?
 
  Am I missing something?
 
 
 
  Yes and no. If you are considering the SSL invoker, then 
 yes, my examples
  deeply sucks. Now, if you consider applications (EAR, JAR, 
 SARs), my 
  example
  is ok. :)
 
  I was speaking about deploying new stuff, not modifying 
 existing one.
 
  Should we be able to deploy scriptlets that can modify 
 existing system
  config (scripts à la Jetty) = instead of modifying a 
 system config you
  deploy a new one that says:
  currentServer().getServletEngine().getDefaultInvoker().setPort(38);
 
  This is somehow the VBA approach à la microsoft: you 
 expose an object 
  model
  of your server and you let developers script it through 
 JavaScript, Java,
  Python, etc. And the object model (i.e. API) is a wrapper 
 around real
  objects which allows for more flexibility when making the server 
  evolve: you
  code against a given API version, not a real set of objects whose 
  names may
  change.
 
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] FW: JSR 94: Proposed Final Draft

2003-10-30 Thread Sacha Labourey
FYI 

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Subject: JSR 94: Proposed Final Draft

The Proposed Final Draft Specification for

JSR-94 Java Rule Engine API

is now available from

http://jcp.org/en/jsr/stage?listBy=proposed

as well as the JSR page:

http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=94

This specification defines a Java runtime API for rule engines.

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[JBoss-dev] FW: JSR 86: Proposed Final Draft

2003-10-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
FYI 

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JSR-86 Enterprise Media Beans

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as well as the JSR page:

http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=86

Enterprise Media Beans provide a framework to integrate rich media data
(i.e. audio, video, or image) into applications based on EJB Entity Beans
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[JBoss-dev] RE: [jboss-cvs] contrib/varia/src/resources/services/binding sample-bindings.xml

2003-10-25 Thread Sacha Labourey
 there is a 22 hours latency between CVS commits and the CVS message on the
ML..

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 Subject: [jboss-cvs] 
 contrib/varia/src/resources/services/binding sample-bindings.xml
 
   User: slaboure
   Date: 03/10/24 05:02:30
 
   Modified:varia/src/resources/services/binding Tag: Branch_3_2
 sample-bindings.xml
   Log:
   - UIL is no more a service but a shortcut to UIL2 = no 
 specific binding is necessary anymore
   - The default HSQLDB setup no more uses a network config anymore
   
   Revision  ChangesPath
   No   revision
   
   
   No   revision
   
   
   1.5.2.6   +10 -20
 contrib/varia/src/resources/services/binding/sample-bindings.xml
   
   Index: sample-bindings.xml
   ===
   RCS file: 
 /cvsroot/jboss/contrib/varia/src/resources/services/binding/sa
 mple-bindings.xml,v
   retrieving revision 1.5.2.5
   retrieving revision 1.5.2.6
   diff -u -r1.5.2.5 -r1.5.2.6
   --- sample-bindings.xml 17 Sep 2003 20:46:24 -  1.5.2.5
   +++ sample-bindings.xml 24 Oct 2003 12:02:30 -  1.5.2.6
   @@ -161,12 +161,6 @@
 delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
 binding port=8090 /
  /service-config
   -  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=UIL
   - 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   -  
   - delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
   - binding port=8091 /
   -  /service-config

  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=OIL2
 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   @@ -424,12 +418,6 @@
 delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
 binding port=8190 /
  /service-config
   -  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=UIL
   - 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   -  
   - delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
   - binding port=8191 /
   -  /service-config

  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=OIL2
 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   @@ -448,7 +436,10 @@

   !-- * hsqldb-ds.xml 
 ** --

   -  !-- Hypersonic related services --
   +  !-- Hypersonic related services 
   +  
   +Only if using TCP setup (local file setup by default)
   +  
  service-config 
 name=jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionFactory,name=DefaultDS
 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.XSLTConfigDelegate
  
   @@ -488,6 +479,7 @@
 binding port=1801 /
  /service-config

   +--

   !-- * jbossweb-jetty.sar 
 * --

   @@ -687,12 +679,6 @@
 delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
 binding port=8290 /
  /service-config
   -  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=UIL
   - 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   -  
   - delegate-config portName=ServerBindPort /
   - binding port=8291 /
   -  /service-config

  service-config 
 name=jboss.mq:service=InvocationLayer,type=OIL2
 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.AttributeMappingDelegate
   @@ -711,7 +697,10 @@

   !-- * hsqldb-ds.xml 
 ** --

   -  !-- Hypersonic related services --
   +  !-- Hypersonic related services
   +  
   +Only if using TCP setup (local file setup by default)
   +
  service-config 
 name=jboss.jca:service=ManagedConnectionFactory,name=DefaultDS
 
 delegateClass=org.jboss.services.binding.XSLTConfigDelegate
  
   @@ -751,6 +740,7 @@
 binding port=1901 /
  /service-config

   +   --

   !-- * jbossweb-jetty.sar 
 * --

   
   
   
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-827614 ] NPE, HTTPSession EJB is being destroyed and then stopped

2003-10-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, but it happens with 3.0.8 with the container is removed: the
CleanShutdownInterceptor throws an NPE in the destroy callback. 

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 HTTPSession EJB is being destroyed and then stopped
 
 Perhaps, but it only occurs with this ejb. Other ejbs do not
 show this issue so its has some relationship to the destroy
 of the cluster-service.xml destroying the httpsession bean.
 
 Sacha Labourey wrote:
  Is that possible it comes from a recent change? I have a 
 strange issue like
  that in 3.0.8 as well: some of the container references 
 seems to be already
  gone inside the destroy call.
  
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] too many open files on Linux

2003-10-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Use ulimit -n, AND MAKE SURE that it is set globally (for all shells) OR
put it in the run.sh file otherwise the risk is that:
 - you set it in your current shell
 - you launch run.sh
 - run.sh overrides your ulimit value (see run.sh file)

Cheers,


Sacha

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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] too many open files on Linux
 
 I'm on RH 8.0.
 
 I'm getting java.net.SocketException: Too many open files
 
 To get over this problem do I just expand via 
 /proc/sys/fs/file-max?  Or 
 is there a different way?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Bill
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-827614 ] NPE, HTTPSession EJB is being destroyed and then stopped

2003-10-21 Thread Sacha Labourey
Is that possible it comes from a recent change? I have a strange issue like
that in 3.0.8 as well: some of the container references seems to be already
gone inside the destroy call.

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 EJB is being destroyed and then stopped
 
 Bugs item #827614, was opened at 2003-10-21 09:22
 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by 
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 You can respond by visiting: 
 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376685aid=8
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 Category: JBossServer
 Group: v3.2
 Status: Open
 Resolution: None
 Priority: 5
 Submitted By: Scott M Stark (starksm)
 Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
 Summary: NPE, HTTPSession EJB is being destroyed and then stopped
 
 Initial Comment:
 The HTTPSession EJB container is throwing an NPE on
 shutdown in 3.2.2 due to the fact that the container is
 being destroyed during the destruction of the
 cluster-service.xml sar, and then stopped by the
 EJBDeployer. How this is occuring needs to be looked into.
 
 09:17:34,906 INFO  [EjbModule] Stopping
 jboss.j2ee:module=ClusteredHttpSessionEB
 .jar,service=EjbModule
 09:18:05,921 ERROR [EjbModule] unexpected exception
 stopping Container:
 jboss.j2ee:jndiName=clustering/HTTPSession,service=EJB
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at
 org.jboss.ejb.EjbModule.stopService(EjbModule.java:346)
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.2 Issues to resolve

2003-10-10 Thread Sacha Labourey
FYI, 791439 is not critical, works for all usual scenarios so I will
personnaly not fix it for 3.2.2.

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 Sent: vendredi, 10. octobre 2003 15:56
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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 3.2.2 Issues to resolve
 
 On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:29, Scott M Stark wrote:
  The following open issues need to be addressed in order to 
 put out the 3.2.2
  final release. The current target release date is 2003-10-12.
  
 
 I've edited Scott's list to show the remaining open bugs:
 
  811269  deadlock in JettyMBean and PluginManager
 OPEN - unassigned
  808170  Partition problems 3.2.2RC4
 OPEN - bela
  795782  Random ClassCircularityError
 OPEN - unassigned
  795191  env-entry not in jndi when not using JBossWebLoader
 OPEN - scott
  794699  Deployment of ear throws null pointer execption 
 in org.jboss
 OPEN - unassigned
  791439  HA-JNDI not replicating bindings
 OPEN - sacha
  789318  ObjectMessage.getObject() doesn't work in JBoss 3.2.1
 OPEN - unassigned
  786668  Form-based Authentication drops Subject
 OPEN - unassigned
 
 Regards,
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FW: [JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Bugs-643739 ] unknown-pk? missing in jbosscmp-jdbc_3_0

2003-10-10 Thread Sacha Labourey
Laurent is our new bug-report serial-killer!!! ;) 

That's great, thanks! I did it once, it was good to close all these cases!

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Bugs item #643739, was opened at 2002-11-25 21:04
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Closed
Resolution: Invalid
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Harald Venström (hvenstrom)
Assigned to: Laurent Etiemble (letiemble)
Summary: unknown-pk? missing in jbosscmp-jdbc_3_0

Initial Comment:
The optional defaults element unknown-pk? is missing
in the online document:
http://www.jboss.org/j2ee/dtd/jbosscmp-jdbc_3_0.dtd
for reason unknowed it seem to have been lost in the
latest update? (fFrom the 22/11...).

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Comment By: Laurent Etiemble (letiemble)
Date: 2003-10-10 17:52

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This feature is only available in 3.2.0. That why it doesn't
not appear in the dtd.


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[JBoss-dev] Heavy TrapdService logging

2003-10-10 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

Is it really useful to have all that SNMP logging information as part of the
default logging level in the console in 3.2.2? It is really verbose and
pops-up whenever a new JBoss instance starts on the network.

Cheers,


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RE: [JBoss-dev] Web-Console Plugins [was turn JBoss into an LDAP server]

2003-10-01 Thread Sacha Labourey
BTW, it is in the console/src/main/org/JBoss/console/ folder 


 Yes, look at the EJB for example.
 
  Are there any plugins in the build now that exemplify
  this concept ?
  




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RE: [JBoss-dev] Web-Console Plugins [was turn JBoss into an LDAP server]

2003-09-30 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, look at the EJB for example.

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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] Web-Console Plugins [was turn JBoss 
 into an LDAP server]
 
 
 Are there any plugins in the build now that exemplify
 this concept ?
 
 --- Sacha Labourey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes.
  
  In the web-console, we have both the existing jmx
  view and the J2EE-oriented
  view. We must create all plugins for the J2EE
  oriented view and once the
  JBoss deployment will be better (dynamic additions),
  we will be able to
  provide new features such as dynamically adding
  queues that survives server
  restarts (you have to use tricks to do that right
  now.)
  
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   Behalf Of Nicholas
   Sent: lundi, 29 septembre 2003 20:39
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  server
   
   
   Do you mean plugins for web-console ? So that 
 
   when a plugin is available for a
   specific node in the tree, it would be loaded in
   addition to or instead of the jmx-console content
  ?
   
   Just trying to get an idea of what you
  visualize.
   
   
   
   --- Sacha Labourey
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
 Are there any management/administration GUI
projects
 started ? (Other than web-console...)

No, but everything is there and it is easy to
  write
plugins to manage JMS,
WARs, etc. It would be good if someone could
  spend
some time writing small
plugins for the parts of JBoss.




   
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] turn JBoss into an LDAP server

2003-09-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Are there any management/administration GUI projects
 started ? (Other than web-console...)

No, but everything is there and it is easy to write plugins to manage JMS,
WARs, etc. It would be good if someone could spend some time writing small
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RE: [JBoss-dev] turn JBoss into an LDAP server

2003-09-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Are there any management/administration GUI projects
 started ? (Other than web-console...)

No, but everything is there and it is easy to write plugins to manage JMS,
WARs, etc. It would be good if someone could spend some time writing small
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RE: [JBoss-dev] turn JBoss into an LDAP server

2003-09-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes.

In the web-console, we have both the existing jmx view and the J2EE-oriented
view. We must create all plugins for the J2EE oriented view and once the
JBoss deployment will be better (dynamic additions), we will be able to
provide new features such as dynamically adding queues that survives server
restarts (you have to use tricks to do that right now.)

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 Do you mean plugins for web-console ? So that 
 when a plugin is available for a
 specific node in the tree, it would be loaded in
 addition to or instead of the jmx-console content ? 
 
 Just trying to get an idea of what you visualize.
 
 
 
 --- Sacha Labourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   Are there any management/administration GUI
  projects
   started ? (Other than web-console...)
  
  No, but everything is there and it is easy to write
  plugins to manage JMS,
  WARs, etc. It would be good if someone could spend
  some time writing small
  plugins for the parts of JBoss.
  
  
  
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] nightly test job vs build tests

2003-09-28 Thread Sacha Labourey
But the snapshots are ok BTW 

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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] nightly test job vs build tests
 
 There is a delay of ~24 hours on pserver and the web front end.
 
 Regards,
 Adrian
 
 On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 14:42, Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
  OK, I think I figured out how to merge back into HEAD with Eclipse.
  One thing still bothers me though. Eclipse and CVS-Web 
 don't show the same
  results.
  If you go to
  
 http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/jboss/cluster-jboss/src/
 etc/cluster-ex
  amples-service.xml
  it lists patriot1burke as the last commiter to the file.
  My change does not show.
  Can someone confirm whether my commit to HEAD went in or not?
  
  
  -=Ivelin=-
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  From: Ivelin Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 12:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] nightly test job vs build tests
  
  
  
   Yes, it helps.
   I did not realize that they appeared. This is probably 
 after the rollback
   from 4.0 to 3.2.
   I am mostly working on Branch_3_2 and this is probably 
 why I did not see
  my
   tests in the past.
  
   While we are at the branching topic, let me ask a 
 question that an Eclipse
   expert might be able to help with. I have an Eclipse 
 project which is
  pinned
   to Branch_3_2. I want to continue working on this branch,
   because it is stable. However, I would also like to merge 
 my changes into
   HEAD. When I select the Eclipse, Team, Merge option, I 
 see a list of
   versions like: Rollback_4_0_from_3_2, Rel_3_1_0_0, ... , 
 JBoss_3_2_2_DR4,
   etc. Which one should I pick, I assume 
 Rollback_4_0_from_3_2. Correct?
  
  
   -=Ivelin=-
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   Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 2:50 PM
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] nightly test job vs build tests
  
  
Hi,
   
Are you running against HEAD?
   
Which nightly tests do you mean - are you running the 
 nightly tests
task yourself or the ones on http://jboss.kimptoc.net ?
   
I look after the ones on jboss.kimptoc.net and they are 
 run against
HEAD.
   
On the latest run, I can see 2 test packages:
   
org.jboss.test.ha.jmx.test (2 tests)
org.jboss.test.ha.singleton.test (12 tests)
   
[ 
 http://jboss.kimptoc.net/winxp/logtests/testresults/reports/html/ ]
   
Hope that helps,
Chris
   
   
   
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 I have a dozen tests under org.jboss.test.ha.
 They run and show in the report when I try build 
 tests from the
 command
 line,
 however they do not show up in the automated nightly 
 test report.
 Why?

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[JBoss-dev] Switch from javagroups to jgroups

2003-09-23 Thread Sacha Labourey
To solve some bugs in 3.2.2rc4, I have to switch to jgroups (for 3.2 and
4.0, not 3.0), this will imply quite many changes as the name of the JG
files change as well.



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[JBoss-dev] GET_DIGEST_STABLE is required?!?

2003-09-23 Thread Sacha Labourey
While switching from javagroups to jgroups, I receive this message now when
starting JBoss, do you know why? It use the default JB stack

15:20:56,812 ERROR [ClusterPartition] Initialization failed
ChannelException: JChannel(): java.lang.Exception:
Configurator.sanityCheck(): event GET_DIGEST_STABLE is required by ST
ABLE, but not provided by any of the layers below
at org.jgroups.JChannel.init(JChannel.java:151)



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [jboss-group] JRMPInvokerProxy

2003-09-20 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Unifying the interceptors would be a good idea.  The only thing that
 needs to be multiple is AOP that deals with interfaces 
 (Dynamic Proxy)
 or the AOP that deals with raw objects and the javassist 
 framework. But
 definitely the SIGNATURE of the invocation should be unified so that
 interceptors themselves come in ONE flavor 
 
 Public Invocation invoke(Invocation)

Right now, the new signature that Bill implemented is something like:

public InvocationResponse invoke (Invocation) throws Throwable

More specifically, when an exception is thrown, it is not wrapped inside the
InvocationResponse but thrown back directly (not even wrapped). This is bad
IMHO as this prevent to attach payload to invocations that generate
exceptions. If we want to always be able to send back data to the client
side, we don't care if an Application Level exception (even system in fact)
has been thrown.

One way to solve that and if we want to keep the good old (working)
try...finally construct we have today in the interceptors would be to change
the signature like that:

public InvocationResponse invoke (Invocation) throws
InvocationException

And have the InvocationException exception wrap the source Exception/Error
and allow attachement of arbitrary payload.

Cheers,



Sacha




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RE: [JBoss-dev] New module at Branch_3_2 - SNMP Adaptor

2003-09-16 Thread Sacha Labourey
That's great, thank you Dimitris and Spyros.

Cheers,


sacha

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 Behalf Of Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: lundi, 15. septembre 2003 09:39
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] New module at Branch_3_2 - SNMP Adaptor
 
 
 
 Hello
 
 We have contributed a new module to jboss, checked in at Branch_3_2.
 It is a JMX - SNMP adaptor.
 
 To introduce ourselves, I lead the ActionStreamer product 
 team of Intracom,
 Greece.
 (see
 http://www.intracom.com/en/products/operations_business/action
 streamer.htm)
 Original author of the module is Mr. Spyros Pollatos
 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). I provided
 the JBoss/JMX expertise, refactoring and integration of the 
 module with
 JBoss.
 
 I have summarised the important aspects of the integration 
 below, along with
 a basic description.
 I hope you find it useful/interesting.
 
 Best Regards
 Dimitris Andreadis (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 --
 -
 
 Changes were made to:
 
 build/build.xml
 tools/etc/buildmagic/libraries.ent
 thirdparty/exolab/castor/lib/castor.jar
 varia/build.xml
 varia/.classpath
 
 Additions exist in:
 
 varia/src/resources/services/snmp
 varia/src/main/org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/snmp
 
 The unpacked .sar goes to default  all configurations as: 
 snmp-adaptor.sar
 There is also the snmp-adaptor.jar installed in lib. The 
 module depends on
 snmp-support.jar (produced by the console module - contains joesnmp)
 and castor 0.9.4.3 included in the .sar file.
 
 MBeans registered under:
 
 jboss.jmx:name=SnmpAgent,service=snmp,type=adaptor
 jboss.jmx:name=SnmpAgent,service=trapd,type=logger
 jboss.jmx:name=SnmpAgent,service=timer,type=heartbeat
 
 Copied from the deploy/snmp-adaptor/META-INF/jboss-service.xml:
 
 --
 --
 --
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 !--
   $Id: jboss-service.xml,v 1.1.2.1 2003/09/15 06:20:08 andd Exp $
 
   The snmp-adaptor is a module used to intercept JMX 
 notifications emitted
   by MBeans, convert them to traps and send them to SNMP 
 managers. In this
   respect the snmp-adaptor acts as a SNMP agent. Future 
 versions may offer
   support for full agent get/set functionality that maps onto MBean
   attributes or operations.
 
   It can be used to integrate JBoss with higher order system/network
   management platforms (e.g. HP OpenView), thus making the 
 MBeans visible
   to those systems. The MBean developer can instrument the MBeans by
   producing notifications for any significant event (e.g. 
 server coldstart).
   The adaptor can then be configured to intercept and map those
 notifications
   to SNMP traps.
 
   SnmpAgentService is the main MBean that implements the SNMP agent.
   It is configured by means of three different configuration files:
 
   - managers.xml, configures where to send traps
   - mbeans.xml, configures the monitored MBeans/notifications types
   - notifications.xml, specifies the exact mapping of each 
 notification type
 to a corresponding SNMP trap
 
   Have a look at the provided example configuration files for 
 more info.
 
   SnmpAgentService produces by default a coldstart notification when
 started.
 
   In addition, by setting the HeartBeatPeriod attribute to a 
 value greater
   than zero, the adaptor configures a Timer MBean to produce heartbeat
   notifications at regular intervals (measured in seconds).
 
   The adaptor itself uses JoeSNMP by OpenNMS for its SNMP engine. The
   trap generation mechanism can be changed or extended with 
 custom classes
   able to extract information from notifications subsclasses unknown
   to the NotificationWrapperSupport class provided with the adaptor.
 
   For more information on using or extending this mechanism, please
   consult the jboss documentation or the source code.
 
   TrapdService is a simple MBean that acts as an SNMP Manager. It
   listens to a configurable port for incoming traps and logs them
   as INFO messages using the system logger. You can modify the log4j
   configuration to redirect the log output to a file. SnmpAgentService
   and TrapdService and not dependent with each other.
 
   Enjoy!
 --
 service
 
   !-- A simple trap receiver that acts as an SNMP Manager --
   mbean code=org.jboss.jmx.adaptor.snmp.trapd.TrapdService
  name=jboss.jmx:name=SnmpAgent,service=trapd,type=logger
 
 attribute name=Port1162/attribute
   /mbean
 
   !-- The SNMP adaptor MBean --
   mbean code=org.jboss.jmx.adaptor.snmp.agent.SnmpAgentService
  name=jboss.jmx:name=SnmpAgent,service=snmp,type=adaptor
 
 attribute
 name=TrapFactoryClassNameorg.jboss.jmx.adaptor.snmp.agent.T
 rapFactorySupp
 ort/attribute
 attribute name=MonitoredObjectsResName/mbeans.xml/attribute
 attribute 
 name=NotificationMapResName/notifications.xml/attribute
 attribute 

RE: [JBoss-dev] jboss-compatibility - cvs problem

2003-09-16 Thread Sacha Labourey
I guess it is possible to remove a tag, and then make a branch, but I am not
an expert...

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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] jboss-compatibility - cvs problem
 
 
 Hi,
 
 The compatibility module has been tagged with Branch_3_2 on the MAIN
 branch rather than branched.
 
 Any cvs experts know how to fix it?
 
 Regards.
 Adrian
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[JBoss-dev] RE: [jboss-group] revamping Invocation objects

2003-09-12 Thread Sacha Labourey
There is no such compatibility anyway. Or you simply do an Invocation2 and
have the server accept both but this will create legacy code that is not
very useful.



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 Subject: Re: [jboss-group] revamping Invocation objects
 
 
 Ok, I wouldn't be able to improve raw, over-the-wire, remote 
 performance 
 without breaking compatibility with older JBoss versions.
 
 Bill
 
 Bill Burke wrote:
 
  Only problem here is that what I've done so far is not backward 
  compatible with a previous version of JBoss.  I guess this 
 is important. 
correct?  I can make it compatible, but it will be a tiny 
 bit ugly.
  
  I did increase performance for noop local interface calls 
 for SLSB by 20%.
  
  Adrian Brock wrote:
  
  Ideally there should be no hashmap for normal usage.
  Using the principle: you don't pay for what you don't use.
 
  Regards,
  Adrian
 
  On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 20:02, Bill Burke wrote:
 
  In our quest to improve performance, I'm doing a redesign of our 
  Invocation object to minimize object creations and hash lookups.  
  I'll base it on some of Sacha's and my own observations.
 
  Just wanted to give some heads up just in case somebody else was 
  looking at this too.
 
  Bill
  
  
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [jboss-group] revamping Invocation objects

2003-09-12 Thread Sacha Labourey
I agree, compatibility has already been broken between minor 3.2.x versions,
so if it allows us to have 20% improvement, I would say: GO! The thinking
about compatibility should occur before, not after and requires the
establishment of more serious and stable rules (version_id, etc.)s

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 Invocation objects
 
 
 You guys are talking about a 3.3 proxy talking to a 3.2 server?  
 
 If that is the case, it is not really relevant as most proxies are
 dynamically generated.  Or are you talking about portability of
 interceptors working on the Invocation objects? 
 
 The stability of 3.2 and its performance are priorities #1, 3.x will
 live for MANY years 
 
 marcf
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Bill Burke
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:22 PM
  To: Private list for internal JBoss Group discussion; Jboss-Dev
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] Re: [jboss-group] revamping Invocation objects
  
  
  I'd rather not maintain something like that.  What do you think?
  
  IMHO, we should guarantee over-the-wire compatibility only for a 
  specific branch.  over-the-wire compatibility should be breakable 
  between major releases.
  
  Adrian Brock wrote:
  
   On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 23:00, Bill Burke wrote:
   
  Ok, I wouldn't be able to improve raw, over-the-wire, remote 
  performance
  without breaking compatibility with older JBoss versions.
  
   
   
   Would it be possible to set a property that provides backwards 
   compatibilty at serialization. Something similar to jmx 1.0 
  vs jmx 1.1 
   serialized forms?
   
   Regards,
   Adrian
   
   
  Bill
  
  Bill Burke wrote:
  
  
  Only problem here is that what I've done so far is not backward
  compatible with a previous version of JBoss.  I guess this 
  is important. 
correct?  I can make it compatible, but it will be a 
  tiny bit ugly.
  
  I did increase performance for noop local interface calls 
  for SLSB by 
  20%.
  
  Adrian Brock wrote:
  
  
  Ideally there should be no hashmap for normal usage.
  Using the principle: you don't pay for what you don't use.
  
  Regards,
  Adrian
  
  On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 20:02, Bill Burke wrote:
  
  
  In our quest to improve performance, I'm doing a 
 redesign of our
  Invocation object to minimize object creations and hash 
  lookups.  
  I'll base it on some of Sacha's and my own observations.
  
  Just wanted to give some heads up just in case 
 somebody else was
  looking at this too.
  
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[JBoss-dev] EJBCA

2003-09-10 Thread Sacha Labourey
This seems to be great:

http://ejbca.sourceforge.net/


EJBCA is a fully functional Certificate Authority. Based on J2EE technology
it constitutes a robust, high performance and component based CA. Both
flexible and platform independent, EJBCA can be used standalone or
integrated in any J2EE application. 

EJBCA is developed on the open source J2EE application server JBoss
http://www.jboss.org/;. We expect a JBoss with an integrated Servlet
engine, such as JBoss with Tomcat or Jetty. 



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Tomcat integration changes and TODO

2003-09-01 Thread Sacha Labourey
 - a new Unix wrapper (we use it for the usual port-80-without-root 
 problem; it unfortunately wouldn't work with JB, which doesn't have a 
 well defined init phase)
  ***

Explain ;)

Cheers,


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RE: [jboss-group] RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0 rollback 1st phase complete

2003-08-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
I have to admit that I've decided, long time ago, to have a empty secret
passphrase for my CVS account... Never type a password, simply commit ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: jeudi, 28. août 2003 23:44
 To: Private list for internal JBoss Group discussion
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [jboss-group] RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0 rollback 1st 
 phase complete
 
 
 Yes, it was a PAIN!  My fingers hurt from typing in my CVS 
 password so 
 many times.
 
 marc fleury wrote:
 
  Phew, 
  
  I am glad we are done, that was what about 2000 emails on 
 cvs-commit?
  
  Wow
  
  marcf
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:52 PM
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 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0 rollback 1st phase complete
 
 
 FYI, I forgot to say that the old HEAD code is under the:
 
 Branch_4_0_DR3
 
 Bill
 
 Bill Burke wrote:
 
 
 Completed rollback of 4.0 to 3.2 on HEAD.  I will start 
 merging 4.0 
 code
 tomorrow slowly.  I will probably need a lot of help here.  
 
 Especially 
 
 in the webservices stuff that was added to 4.0 over the 
 
 past 9 months.
 
 For HEAD modules that exist in Branch_3_2, these modules have been
 rolled back entirely to the 3.2 series.  All new modules in 
 
 HEAD after 
 
 3.2 have been retained in head.
 
 Now that we've rolled back, let's start being really 
 
 careful on how we
 
 treat HEAD.  HEAD is not a playground.  Let's not be sloppy 
 
 coders.  Run 
 
 the testsuite before you commit anything big.  If you are 
 
 experimenting 
 
 with a rewrite, create your own branch to work on.  Let's 
 keep HEAD 
 stable this time around.
 
 Thanks and sorry for the inconveniences.
 
 Bill
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] Default destinations

2003-08-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Shouldn't we remove the default topics/queues from deploy by default? It is
used only by the testsuite right?



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RE: [JBoss-dev] Default destinations

2003-08-22 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, that my point: having half a dozen queues and topics named A, B, C,
etc. that start just for fun is... Well.. No fun! ;)

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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Default destinations
 
 
 
 It is useful to have one or two examples. Maybe commented out.
 
 
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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] Default destinations
 
 
  Shouldn't we remove the default topics/queues from deploy 
 by default? It
 is
  used only by the testsuite right?
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?

2003-08-14 Thread Sacha Labourey
Right, now, there is no such naming service thing, but it may interesting in
the future for some features requiring to name nodes of the cluster. In the
meantime, I will use the IP-ified name as this logical name and never change
it, even after a shun.

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 Sent: mercredi, 6. août 2003 04:05
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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?
 
 
 But what is the nameservice for these 'logical' names, and 
 what layer uses them?
 
 -- 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
 Bela Ban wrote:
 
  Yes I agree. What Sacha referred to, however, was the fact 
 that you can 
  have 'logical' names rather than host:port as member 
 addresses. This is 
  useful if a member is shunned, leaves and rejoins the group under a 
  different host:port address. The logical name would remain 
 the same in 
  this case.
  
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler

2003-08-14 Thread Sacha Labourey
I think that shouldn't be too much of a problem as it is based on the
framework whose interfaces haven't changed between 3.2.1 and 3.2.2.

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: mardi, 12 août 2003 23:29
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
 
 
 Never mind. I found the stuff in the JBoss 3.2.2 source tree. 
 Thanks again!
 
 Sasha: Is it possible to get the HASingleton to work in JBoss 
 3.2.1? Or did the clustering change too much?
 
 Thanks,
 
 --Marcus
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Marcus Redeker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:57 PM
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
  
  
  Vladyslav,
  
  thanks for tha link. That is exactly what I am looking for.
  The problem is that we are planning to go in production in 2 
  weeks on JBoss 3.2.1 and the service seems to be implemented 
  in JBoss 3.2.2. Do you have the source code to the mentioned 
  HASingletonController and the HASingletonMBeanExample? I 
  could use that and implement the solution I suggested just 
  that the SingletonController activates or deactivate the 
  scheduler on the master instance.
  
  Thanks a lot.
  
  --Marcus
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of Vladyslav Kosulin
   Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:27 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
   
   
   Look at 
   http://www.cocoonhive.org/articles/jboss/20030610/hasingleton.html
   
   Marcus Redeker wrote:
   
All,

I am looking for a cluster aware scheduler service. The
  scenario is
that I have two JBoss instances running in a cluster 
 and I have a
scheduler service running on one of them since it is 
 fatal if my 
schedulable object would be invoked twice on both 
   instances. But also
I would like to have a failover which means that in case
   the instance
which is running the scheduler service is going down I
  want another
instance in the cluster to take over and activate the scheduler.

Is anything in that direction already available? From
   looking into the
source I did not see anything. If not I would like to
   implement some
kind of HASchedulerMBean. This could work the way that 
 you would 
deploy your scheduler service with StartAtStartup =
  false and the
HASchedulerMBean would invoke the start depending on which
   server is
available in the cluster.

Sacha: Do you have a tip for me where to look in the clustering 
classes to get a head start?

Thanks,

--Marcus
   
   
   
   
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler

2003-08-14 Thread Sacha Labourey
Good idea, being able to submit even fixed parameters is a good idea.
Cheers,


sacha

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Marcus Redeker
 Sent: mercredi, 13. août 2003 00:45
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
 
 
 Yes it works without a problem. Just copied the two extra 
 packages from
 JBoss3.2.2 clustering back to JBoss3.2.1 and that was it. 
 Currently the
 HASingletonController can only invoke target startMethod and
 targetStopMethod with NO parameters. I will change that so I 
 can invoke
 the stopSchedule(true) on the Scheduler MBean. Once this is 
 done I will
 submit tha patch in case you guys want to integrate it into 3.2.2
 
 Thanks again to everybody and keep following the white rabbit..
 
 --Marcus
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Sacha Labourey
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:37 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
  
  
  I think that shouldn't be too much of a problem as it is 
  based on the framework whose interfaces haven't changed 
  between 3.2.1 and 3.2.2.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: mardi, 12 août 2003 23:29
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
   
   
   Never mind. I found the stuff in the JBoss 3.2.2 source tree.
   Thanks again!
   
   Sasha: Is it possible to get the HASingleton to work in JBoss
   3.2.1? Or did the clustering change too much?
   
   Thanks,
   
   --Marcus
   
-Original Message-
From: Marcus Redeker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:57 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler


Vladyslav,

thanks for tha link. That is exactly what I am looking for. The 
problem is that we are planning to go in production in 
 2 weeks on 
JBoss 3.2.1 and the service seems to be implemented in 
  JBoss 3.2.2. 
Do you have the source code to the mentioned 
  HASingletonController 
and the HASingletonMBeanExample? I could use that and 
 implement 
the solution I suggested just that the 
  SingletonController activates 
or deactivate the scheduler on the master instance.

Thanks a lot.

--Marcus

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf 
 Of Vladyslav Kosulin
 Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Cluster aware Scheduler
 
 
 Look at
 
  http://www.cocoonhive.org/articles/jboss/20030610/hasingleton.html
 
 Marcus Redeker wrote:
 
  All,
  
  I am looking for a cluster aware scheduler service. The
scenario is
  that I have two JBoss instances running in a cluster
   and I have a
  scheduler service running on one of them since it is
   fatal if my
  schedulable object would be invoked twice on both
 instances. But also
  I would like to have a failover which means that in case
 the instance
  which is running the scheduler service is going down I
want another
  instance in the cluster to take over and activate the 
  scheduler.
  
  Is anything in that direction already available? From
 looking into the
  source I did not see anything. If not I would like to
 implement some
  kind of HASchedulerMBean. This could work the way that
   you would
  deploy your scheduler service with StartAtStartup =
false and the
  HASchedulerMBean would invoke the start depending on which
 server is
  available in the cluster.
  
  Sacha: Do you have a tip for me where to look in the 
  clustering
  classes to get a head start?
  
  Thanks,
  
  --Marcus
 
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] Ceci n'est pas une pipe

2003-08-14 Thread Sacha Labourey
Dear All,

These last days, many people have expressed their opinion on JBoss mailing
lists regarding the recent removal of RW privileges to some people. Some of
these opinions made me observe that the global picture was frequently simply
ignored.

Let me simply restate the obvious: the world is not black xor white. You
don't have, on one side, the black greedy JBoss Group that has an evil plan
to secretly execute and, on the other side, a few white code-poets,
defenders of Open Source, that live of love, fresh water and who truly don't
understand why their privileges have been revoked. They know exactly why.

Some people have complained that all this noise should have been solved
privately, behind the scene. I tend to agree. In fact, until now, it always
had. We had business discussions, each side trying to convince the other,
putting pressure on the other side. Business as usual. The recent posting on
JBoss ML from people who do not understand?!? How is that possible?!?
Damned! Me, who never had a bad thinking in my all life!?! Pleease, simply
allow me to express my art! is just a way to try to use the community
against the evil JBoss Group and its army of slaves.

Really, if you love this kind of stories, you'd better buy the Holà
magazine, it is much deeper, plus you get some nice pictures as well. If you
don't like this kind of stories, fair enough, ignore them as it is just the
visible part of an iceberg: a business disagreement. But remember: the
disagreement is on both side, not just JBoss Group doing evil business and
the other side defending Virgin Open Source. That may be the image some
people would like to give. And then there is reality. 

And until now, it seems that the JBoss Group has always defended the
interests of the JBoss community while many other OSS projects have died in
the meantime. While would that change?

Go back to code, go back to business.

This will be my unique post on this topic.

Regards,



Sacha




P.S.: I propose to free JBoss-user and JBoss-dev ML from this topic. If you
want to talk about it, let's move that to the online forums at
http://www.jboss.org/forum.jsp?forum=91

x
Sacha Labourey
General Manager
JBoss Group (Europe) SàRL
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Interface or protocol between JBoss and its clustering framework

2003-08-06 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, this is correct.

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: mercredi, 6. août 2003 17:38
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Interface or protocol between JBoss 
 and its clustering framework
 
 
 So far the only externalization of the clustering config 
 needed has been the 
 JChannel configuration. I don't think we actually rely on 
 anything JChannel 
 specific so externalize the Channel factory and generalize 
 the current 
 signatures and submit it as a patch.
 
 -- 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
 Uijin Hong wrote:
 
  Hi JBoss developers.
  
   
  
  I am doing some pilot testing to build new clustering 
 infrastructure for 
  JBoss, which is based on Erlang/OTP (http://www.erlang.org 
  http://www.erlang.org//, http://www.erlang.se/).
  
   
  
  What I want to be sure is that, is there any written specification 
  between JBoss and JBoss’s clustering infrastructure?
  
   
  
  My first attempt is building something like ErlChannel 
 implements the 
  org.javagroups.Channel, so that I only get mess with 
 JavaGroups and gets 
  the thing done. But it seems like that the 
  org.jboss.ha.framework.server’s some classes (say 
 HAPartitionImpl) is 
  directly using JChannel instead of Channel which JavaGroups guys 
  
 recommend(http://www.javagroups.com/javagroupsnew/docs/faq.ht
 ml#WhichChannel).
  
   
  
  So, I want to be sure which one the boundary of JBoss and 
 its clustering 
  Implementation is, and where those protocol/document/specification 
  stuffs are.
  
   
  
  Regards,
  
  Uijin Hong.
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?

2003-08-05 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Bela,

Yes, but Scott found two interesting things:
 - it seems that even if two nodes share the same view, the name of the
members of the view may appear different (one has the name, the other the IP
address)
 - there is an unstable condition somewhere that make the singleton service
flip-flap while it shouldn't be necessary (+ race condition but that's at
another level)

I will most probably play with the additional code you had added at the
begginig of the year to add another information to the IpAddress, but for
this will have to change TCP as well (you only changed UDP) so that this
additional information is always taken in account when generating new
IpAddress at the TCP JG protocol layer.

Cheers,


Sacha

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bela Ban
 Sent: lundi, 4. août 2003 23:55
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?
 
 
 The entire logic to determine when to become singleton is 
 handled in the 
 view callback. Since this can potentially be length, and also uses 
 remote group calls, I suggest to run this in a separate 
 thread, so you 
 won't run into a deadlock. By default, HA Clustering does *not* use 
 deadlock detection.
 
 
 Scott M Stark wrote:
 
  There is a race condition i the 
  DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) that 
 shows up when 
  this method is called from within a notifyKeyListeners as shown by 
  this stack trace:
 
  Thread main@65 status: RUNNING
  - isMasterReplica():437, 
  org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
  - isDRMMasterReplica():234, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
  - partitionTopologyChanged():103, 
  org.jboss.ha.singleton.HASingletonSupport
  - replicantsChanged():197, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport$1
  - notifyKeyListeners():675, 
  org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
  - add():326, 
  org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
  - registerDRMListener():204, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
  - startService():144, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 
  This is due the the choice to return true when the key in 
 question is 
  in the
  localReplicants table, but not the replicants table:
 
 public boolean isMasterReplica (String key)
 {
if (!localReplicants.containsKey (key))
   return false;
 
Vector allNodes = this.partition.getCurrentView ();
HashMap repForKey = (HashMap)replicants.get(key);
if (repForKey==null)
   return true; 
 
  This seems to be an ambiguous condition as this condition 
 exists for a 
  node that calls add and when the state has not synched or 
 has failed 
  to synch. Another problem I'm seeing at least in the context of the 
  singleton service is that the notion of the master node is 
 unstable. 
  Here is the output from one of 3 nodes running the 
 singleton service 
  starting with the addition of the final node shown as view 2.
 
  15:35:44,637 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) 
 [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
  CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 5s:948ms
  15:36:27,719 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 2 
  ([lamia:32947, 172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770] delta: 1)
  15:36:27,749 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead 
 members: 0
  15:37:13,555 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view (id: 
 3, delta: 
  -1) : [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770]
  15:37:13,575 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead 
 members: 1
  15:38:13,321 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to start as 
  singleton
  15:38:13,321 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view (id: 
 4, delta: 
  1) : [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770, lamia:32949]
  15:38:13,331 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead 
 members: 0
  15:38:13,361 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop as 
  singleton
  15:39:13,447 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to start as 
  singleton
  15:39:13,457 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop as 
  singleton
 
  With view 3 the orginal node and singleton is killed and 
 the node for 
  which the console output corresponds(172.17.66.54) is 
 selected as the 
  singleton. When the third node is started again there is some 
  thrashing due to the existing 2 nodes both selecting 
 themselves as the 
  singleton and telling the other to stop and it appears that 
 there is 
  no singleton choosen. The problem seems to be inconsistent  
 matching 
  of member names. Once only knows it IP while the other node 
 knows the 
  hostnames. Here is the console view of the second node showing the 
  hostnames and its thrashing:
 
  15:25:21,023 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) 
 [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
  CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 13s:597ms
  15:26:05,562 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 3 
  ([succubus:2821, 

RE: [JBoss-dev] DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?

2003-08-04 Thread Sacha Labourey
I will work on that, thanks for the complete report.

Cheers,

Sacha


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: lundi, 4. août 2003 00:59
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) false positives?
 
 
 There is a race condition i the 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica(String) that 
 shows up when this 
 method is called from within a notifyKeyListeners as shown by 
 this stack trace:
 
 Thread main@65 status: RUNNING
 - isMasterReplica():437, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
 - isDRMMasterReplica():234, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 - partitionTopologyChanged():103, 
 org.jboss.ha.singleton.HASingletonSupport
 - replicantsChanged():197, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport$1
 - notifyKeyListeners():675, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
 - add():326, 
 org.jboss.ha.framework.server.DistributedReplicantManagerImpl
 - registerDRMListener():204, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 - startService():144, org.jboss.ha.jmx.HAServiceMBeanSupport
 
 This is due the the choice to return true when the key in 
 question is in the
 localReplicants table, but not the replicants table:
 
 public boolean isMasterReplica (String key)
 {
if (!localReplicants.containsKey (key))
   return false;
 
Vector allNodes = this.partition.getCurrentView ();
HashMap repForKey = (HashMap)replicants.get(key);
if (repForKey==null)
   return true; 
 
 This seems to be an ambiguous condition as this condition 
 exists for a node that 
 calls add and when the state has not synched or has failed to 
 synch. Another 
 problem I'm seeing at least in the context of the singleton 
 service is that the 
 notion of the master node is unstable. Here is the output 
 from one of 3 nodes 
 running the singleton service starting with the addition of 
 the final node shown 
 as view 2.
 
 15:35:44,637 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
 CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 5s:948ms
 15:36:27,719 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 2 
 ([lamia:32947, 
 172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770] delta: 1)
 15:36:27,749 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead members: 0
 15:37:13,555 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view (id: 
 3, delta: -1) : 
 [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770]
 15:37:13,575 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead members: 1
 15:38:13,321 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to 
 start as singleton
 15:38:13,321 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view (id: 
 4, delta: 1) : 
 [172.17.66.54:2821, ironmaiden:51770, lamia:32949]
 15:38:13,331 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead members: 0
 15:38:13,361 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop 
 as singleton
 15:39:13,447 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to 
 start as singleton
 15:39:13,457 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop 
 as singleton
 
 With view 3 the orginal node and singleton is killed and the 
 node for which the 
 console output corresponds(172.17.66.54) is selected as the 
 singleton. When the 
 third node is started again there is some thrashing due to 
 the existing 2 nodes 
 both selecting themselves as the singleton and telling the 
 other to stop and it 
 appears that there is no singleton choosen. The problem seems 
 to be inconsistent 
   matching of member names. Once only knows it IP while the 
 other node knows the 
 hostnames. Here is the console view of the second node 
 showing the hostnames and 
 its thrashing:
 
 15:25:21,023 INFO  [Server] JBoss (MX MicroKernel) [3.2.2RC3 (build: 
 CVSTag=Branch_3_2 date=200307312219)] Started in 13s:597ms
 15:26:05,562 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 3 
 ([succubus:2821, 
 ironmaiden:51770] delta: -1)
 15:26:05,573 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead members: 1
 15:27:05,506 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to 
 start as singleton
 15:27:05,509 INFO  [DefaultPartition] New cluster view: 4 
 ([succubus:2821, 
 ironmaiden:51770, lamia:32949] delta: 1)
 15:27:05,513 INFO  [DefaultPartition:ReplicantManager] Dead members: 0
 15:27:05,531 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop 
 as singleton
 15:28:05,520 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to 
 start as singleton
 15:28:05,526 INFO  [HASingletonMBeanExample] Notified to stop 
 as singleton
 
 Its not clear that the 
 DistributedReplicantManager.isMasterReplica was designed 
 to be used for the selection of a singleton node, but if it 
 is, the logic needs 
 to be firmed up. If not, the singleton service needs to be 
 built on something else.
 
 -- 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] JSR-77: EAR sub-modules?

2003-06-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

Is that intended or a bug that in JSR-77, the EAR never has any sub-modules
listed (always empty).

Cheers,



Sacha



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RE: [JBoss-dev] JSR-77: EAR sub-modules?

2003-06-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
Sorry, the pre-written e-mail went away when I connected to the Internet: I
found the bug and fixed it locally.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: vendredi, 27. juin 2003 16:10
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JSR-77: EAR sub-modules?
 
 
 Must be a bug. I'll look at this tomorrow when I look into some other 
 jsr-77 issues.
 
 -- 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
 Sacha Labourey wrote:
  Hello,
  
  Is that intended or a bug that in JSR-77, the EAR never has 
 any sub-modules
  listed (always empty).
  
  Cheers,
  
  
  
  Sacha
  
 
 
 
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RE: Antwort: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBossMQ rewrite

2003-06-18 Thread Sacha Labourey
Sorry but the reloaded brand is already used by another JBoss project
managed by Thomas Aardal to allow old JBoss client jars to be used with
newer JBoss releases ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: lundi, 16. juin 2003 21:08
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Antwort: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBossMQ rewrite
 
 
 As Bela and I have recently discussed with Tom Elrod, we all 
 think that 
 exposing JavaGroups as a transport of the remoting framework 
 is indeed the best 
 approach.  However, I struggle with how the client-server 
 nature of the 
 remoting framework maps to the client-client nature of 
 mulicast.  I think this 
 can indeed be overcome.  However, as Tom doesn't have much 
 time to spend on it, 
 I think the road I'm gong to go down is to code directly to 
 JavaGroups right 
 now, and abstract it later.
 
 However, the real important point here FOR EVERYONE TO GET is 
 that the 
 multicast implementation is just ONE implementation of the 
 client-side JMS 
 interfaces.  We will also support the traditional client-server based 
 implementation that the new code is building toward.  The 
 only reason I'm even 
 talking about the multicast stuff is because Bela showed me 
 just how JavaGroups 
 makes it so simple to implement and it will give us an 
 opportunity to get 
 something out the door in short order.  Additionally, 
 multicast will always 
 provide better performance for pub/sub then a traditional 
 client-server 
 design.  So for clients that want in-firewall messaging that 
 is super fast, the 
 multicast stuff will best serve their needs.  For clients 
 that need Internet 
 messaging, etc. the traditional design will be used.
 
 We are VERY focused on building a best-of-breed JMS 
 implementation.  The 
 current code causes us pain and that is all the motivation we 
 need.  I was very 
 encouraged to talk to the guys last week and gather ideas.  
 Andrian Brock is 
 brilliant and has all sorts of ideas for the new JMS codebase 
 that have all 
 grown out of his dealings with the old codebase.  We will not 
 repeat the 
 mistakes of the old codebase which is why we're starting anew 
 from scratch.
 
 I'm going to get the project page on the website set up to 
 better communicate 
 the plan (which is something I should have done long ago) 
 over the next week.
 
 Oh, and to address Marc's comment on the reloaded thing... 
 that is just a 
 code name for now--it sounds better then saying rewrite.  
 The branding is 
 clearly JMS/JBoss.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Nathan Phelps
 JMS/JBoss Project Lead
 JBoss Group, L.L.C.
 
 
 Quoting Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Nathan's design will not be based on JavaGroups, but will rather use
  JavaGroups as one type of transport mechanism.  I would 
 rather see JBoss
  Remoting used as an abstraction with JavaGroups as a plugin 
 rather than
  JavaGroups at the center of things.
  
  BUTdon't let this requirement hold you up from getting 
 a first iteration
  in place.
  
  Bill
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Behalf Of Bela
   Ban
   Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:12 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Antwort: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBossMQ rewrite
  
  
  
   Hi Ulf,
  
(2) message redelivery / message throttling clustering 
 / failover
  
  
   since Nathan's design is based on JavaGroups, these issues are
   JavaGroups issues:
   - Message retransmission is handled by JavaGroups.
   - Failover: what do you understand by failover ?
   - Throttling: we are working on a multicast flow control 
 protocol, JG
   currently ships with one, but it has a number of bugs and 
 needs further
   work. I'm also working on a new flow control protocol. 
 Also, note that
   you can run JG with TCP as transport, then you 
 essentially have the
   classic JMS client-server implementation.
  
  
(3) messaging system monitoring / administration
   
I there a way to participate in the your ongoing rewrite ?
  
  
   Give us some more time; Nathan essentially designed the 
 serverless JMS
   last weekend...
  
  
   --
   Bela Ban
   http://www.javagroups.com
   Cell: (408) 316-4459
  
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Attn: Sacha - AbstractSessionManager changes in org.mortbay...

2003-06-18 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello,

 Sacha,
 
 I note that you have made some changes to
 
 jetty/src/main/org/mortbay/jetty/servlet/AbstractSessionManage
 r.java et alia
 
 on Branch_3_2, to support statistics retrieval.

Yes.

 This is just to remind you that, whilst a copy of Jetty cvs 
 is kept in 
 JBoss cvs (Marc asked for it), the place for such changes is 
 Jetty cvs - 
 otherwise they will be lost next time I merge across.

As we have Jetty sources in JBoss and have no RW access in Jetty CVS, that
seems appropriate for me to incorporate the changes in our tree (otherwise,
I don't really see the advantage over binary inclusion, except having the
possibility to choose Jetty compile options).

Consequently, in any case, what is the process to get RW access to Jetty?

Cheers,


Sacha



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RE: [JBoss-dev] deploy.last is not very clean

2003-06-06 Thread Sacha Labourey
Title: Message



if you have more services, then put them like this:

deploy/deploy.last/service1.xml
deploy/deploy.last/service2.xml
deploy/deploy.last/service3.xml
deploy/deploy.last/service4.xml
deploy/deploy.last/service5.xml
deploy/deploy.last/service6.xml

If you don't like "last", simply put "zip", 
the result is the same, no other trick has been implemented, just an 
alias.
-Original Message-From: 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David 
KlimekSent: jeudi, 5. juin 2003 19:46To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [JBoss-dev] 
deploy.last is not very clean
Sacha Labourey wrote:


User: slaboure
  Date: 03/06/05 06:26:17

  Modified:src/main/org/jboss/deployment Tag: Branch_3_2
DeploymentSorter.java SubDeployerSupport.java
  Log:
  Add features that allows to have JAR (dir or file) deployment that ends in ".last" and that are deployed after everything in deploy
  
  This is necessary as some components do need to be deployed after everything (such as the farm service, so that every other component is already started before deployed what is in farm).
  
  consequently, as part of "all" we now have a folder named "deploy.last" that contains farm-service.xml
  
  

  Hi,
it seems to me like a unclean hack. What if I will have more services 
that should be deployed last? Than I must set dependencies between them 
manualy. Also I am afraid of all/ directory looking in future like:

all/deploy.beforefirst
all/deploy.first
all/deploy.afterfirst
all/deploy.before
all/deploy
all/deploy.after
all/deploy.beforelast
all/deploy.last
all/deploy.afterlast

If there is such a dependency between components, it should be handled 
through more universal dependency or ordering mechanism.

David

-- 
http://www.sweb.cz/david.klimek



RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2

2003-04-12 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Fred,

Could you please let me know the advance of this project? I am interested in
it and willing to help setting up the environment.

Cheers,


Sacha

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Fred Hartman
 Sent: vendredi, 11. avril 2003 18:44
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
 
 
 webMethods has the 3.0.x and 3.2.x branches compiling and running the
 testsuite on 35 OS/JVM combinations. We are preparing to move 
 the results
 host outside our firewall and will allow the JBoss Community to add
 testsuite results for JVM/OS combinations that are not covered to that
 archive. More info will be coming in the next couple weeks.
 
 Cheers,
 Fred
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Kimpton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:16 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I have the my shiny new daily testing going fairly smoothly now, you
 can see the web results here:
 
 http://jboss1.kimptoc.net/
 
 I will point the email nagger to the jboss-dev list any moment now...
 
 It does regular intra-day compiles, linux and winxp (via cygwin) -
 only on jdk1.4 and daily tests (full and unit tests - alternating
 between machines).
 
 Its only using HEAD.  I presume this is used for JBoss4 dev...
 
 So - what else should be covered?  
  - other branches?  
  - other jdks - ie should I try building/testing a minimal system
 under jdk13?
 
 See ya,
 Chris
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2

2003-04-12 Thread Sacha Labourey
OK, We still need to find a way to make this information easy to browse (by
OS/JVM vendor/JVM version/JBoss version etc.)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Fred Hartman
 Sent: dimanche, 13. avril 2003 00:15
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
 
 
 The idea is a simple build.xml with minimal setup (cvs 
 client, Ant, a JDK, a
 couple modifications to an Ant properties file).
 
 The build.xml does the cvs copyout, compile, test case run, 
 shutdown and
 then FTPs the results to a web site. This build.xml only 
 works unattended
 with fixes that are in =3.0.7 and 3.2 branches.
 
 We will be scheduling the tester to run regularly on the tip 
 of all major
 source branches (4.0 will be added soon) and results will be 
 archived for
 every release, so anyone can make sure the failures they get 
 from a home
 install are the 'correct' set for a given release.
 
 Over time we will be setting up the tester for more JDKs and OSes. The
 initial set of OSes is:
 
   RedHat Linux 2.4.18-26.8.0
   RedHat Linux 2.2.16-22
   RedHat Linux 2.2.14-5.0
   Windows 2000
   Windows NT
   Windows XP
   Solaris 5.9
   AIX 4.3
   AIX 5.1L
   HP-UX 11i
   HP-UX 11
 
 We would also like to extend the test result archive to 
 include results of
 testsuite execution using other DBMSes and JMS providers.
 
 
 -Fred
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sacha Labourey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:36 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
 
 
 Hello Fred,
 
 Could you please let me know the advance of this project? I 
 am interested in
 it and willing to help setting up the environment.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
   Sacha
 
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  Behalf Of Fred Hartman
  Sent: vendredi, 11. avril 2003 18:44
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
  
  
  webMethods has the 3.0.x and 3.2.x branches compiling and 
 running the
  testsuite on 35 OS/JVM combinations. We are preparing to move 
  the results
  host outside our firewall and will allow the JBoss Community to add
  testsuite results for JVM/OS combinations that are not 
 covered to that
  archive. More info will be coming in the next couple weeks.
  
  Cheers,
  Fred
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Kimpton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:16 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] Daily tests v2
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I have the my shiny new daily testing going fairly smoothly now, you
  can see the web results here:
  
  http://jboss1.kimptoc.net/
  
  I will point the email nagger to the jboss-dev list any 
 moment now...
  
  It does regular intra-day compiles, linux and winxp (via cygwin) -
  only on jdk1.4 and daily tests (full and unit tests - alternating
  between machines).
  
  Its only using HEAD.  I presume this is used for JBoss4 dev...
  
  So - what else should be covered?  
   - other branches?  
   - other jdks - ie should I try building/testing a minimal system
  under jdk13?
  
  See ya,
  Chris
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26

2003-04-04 Thread Sacha Labourey
I talked with Dr Jung yesterday, the Webservices part is going pretty well
but JAXR is 70% there and W2EE is still 80% to go (but easy) (Dr. Jung's
words)

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 Behalf Of Dain Sundstrom
 Sent: vendredi, 4. avril 2003 00:48
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
 
 
 I don't think we can support J2EE 1.4 for the DR1 release unless 
 someone gets in and makes whatever changes are required to get our 
 metadata classes to support the XML schemas used in J2EE 1.4.
 
 Besides meta data are there other big things in J2EE 1.4 that we 
 haven't addressed yet?
 
 -dain
 
 On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Igor Fedorenko wrote:
 
  What J2EE specification version are you planning to support 
 in JBoss 
  4.0? J2EE 1.4 is not final as far as I know...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:47 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sourceforge. Net
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] JB4DR1 Deadline MAY 26
 
 
  Guys,
 
  We are thinking a lot about the forthcoming JB4 release.  It
  is a truly
  exciting step for us as we believe we will bring a 
 programming style,
  whose time has come, to a mass audience.
 
  AOP as Bill says is a clear wave for system level services 
 on par with
  OOP.  On top of it and also as a proof of how powerful the 
 approach is
  we still develop a full J2EE server.  Meaning that you can 
 choose to
  live in the J2EE world work on JBoss J2EE and access all the
  prepackaged
  AOP goodies as you have been doing since JBoss2.0.
 
  There seems to be a lot of fear at SUN from what I can tell in the
  press, that we will abandon J2EE.  We love J2EE. When 
 really we will
  support J2EE for the forthcoming future.  Never do we talk about
  abandoning J2EE, we just let the user access core
  functionality in the
  open server and think at the AOP level.  A more fundamental
  construct of
  the framework.
 
  The reason we are almost there is that it is also a very old
  implementation in JBoss.  We have been doing it for a long time but
  never talked/packaged it this way.  We make it easy for you
  to leverage
  the AOP layer. The implementation is old the way you interact
  with JBoss
  is new.  It can also be old if you decide to stay at the J2EE level
  which will be fully supported.
 
  But you are now invited to roam in the core JBoss system, 
 in fact you
  may find it very cozy as you port POJO based applications to JBoss.
  There will be a stabilization period though.  We are making an
  aggressive push to release JB4 by JavaONE with all our resources
  dedicated to implementing the final AOP system aspects and
  porting some
  of the existing code to that.
 
  We're making an aggressive push to release JBoss 4.0 by
  JavaOne.  We're
  targeting May 26th. That leaves us 2 month from now.
 
  I REPEAT TARGET FOR JBOSS4.0 DR1    MAY 26TH
 
 
  To meet this aggressive deadline, we need to set some dates.
  There will
  be a functionality freeze, Monday, May 5th.  All new functionality
  commits after May 5th must be approved by either Scott 
 Stark, or Bill
  Burke.  We will not branch May 5th, but instead make the 
 month of May,
  JBoss 4.0 stability en route to a Developpers Release 1 (DR1).
 
  Please think long and hard and fast about your modules.  Many
  of you are
  involved in core modules that need to move fast in the 
 coming weeks.
  Don't be afraid to talk and say who needs help etc.
 
  PLgC
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Patches-714762 ] Adding Instrumentation Processing Support to JBoss

2003-04-03 Thread Sacha Labourey
Where is the attached file?

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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] [ jboss-Patches-714762 ] Adding 
 Instrumentation Processing Support to JBoss
 
 
 Patches item #714762, was opened at 2003-04-03 17:18
 You can respond by visiting: 
 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=376687aid=7
 14762group_id=22866
 
 Category: JBossServer
 Group: CVS HEAD
 Status: Open
 Resolution: None
 Priority: 5
 Submitted By: Rob Dickinson (rob_dickinson)
 Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
 Summary: Adding Instrumentation Processing Support to JBoss
 
 Initial Comment:
 Intercepting application classes at load-time or deploy-
 time is exceedingly useful for a variety of purposes, 
 chief among them is the flexibility it provides to perform 
 actions dynamically based on specific needs of the 
 JBoss user not anticipated ahead of time by the JBoss 
 source tree.
 
 Several application server products (notably BEA 
 WebLogic and MacroMedia JRun) support this concept 
 via a generic facility, and here we propose creating a 
 similar service for JBoss via a few minor changes to the 
 MainDeployer class 
 (org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer) that we would like 
 to see applied to the main source tree.
 
 The attached ZIP file contains a more detailed proposal 
 document as well as file deltas.
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-04-02 Thread Sacha Labourey
 You are talking about a primary-partition approach. The 
 literature tells 
 you to shut down members in a non-primary partitions. It is simple to 
 implement, all right. But it reduces overall availability of a 
 distributed system, that's why there are many approaches 
 beyond primary 
 partition in research. But regardless of whether we want to have 
 progress or shutdown on a partition, we need to present to the user a 
 choice. E.g. shut down, continue and merge later etc. This way we can 
 implement both approaches.

Yes, I think we are speaking exactly about the same thing: pluggable policy
to let the application/user choose which is best for its app and if the
network partition is critical for him or not. The primiary partition was
just an example.

Cheers,


sacha



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RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options

2003-03-31 Thread Sacha Labourey
I had a dream! That one day, babelfish will be able to understand AND
TRANSLATE Peter songs.

Nice try Adrian, but you've abandonned on the last part! ;)


 like a
   iteration of min 1k for a deploy/undeploy repeted test 
 for thejbossteam
   ploy deploy ... resulting in a non mem fatigue - then thejbossteam
   might be considered to move on ... !!!
 
 There is a memory leak in hot deployment?




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RE: [JBoss-dev] forums search

2003-03-31 Thread Sacha Labourey
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk/release/v1.2.2
/doc/jk/workershowto.html

http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat-connectors/jk2/release/v2.0.
2/doc/

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 Behalf Of Felipe Oliveira
 Sent: lundi, 31. mars 2003 22:52
 To: JBoss Dev
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] forums search
 
 
 hi jboss team,
 
 the search on the forums page doesn't seem to be working. i 
 search for 
 mod_proxy and no results. then i search for apache and no 
 results. 
 and then again i search for java and no results.
 
 felipe
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options

2003-03-31 Thread Sacha Labourey
Don't worry if you don't understand Peter's posts, it is like American music
for French people: just something you have to listen and enjoy, without
understanding the words. Peter is somehow jboss-dev's official poet.

Make... letters play and ! Ho here a dot playing with a ^column. Klafuti,
Klafuta. Pudding song.



--
I know who is Zahid Ramman



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: lundi, 31. mars 2003 17:49
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
 Sorry Peter, no offesne, but
 
 But could somebody explain what the hell he just posted?
 
 Sacha, pointed out McKoi.  I'd like to see how good of a DB this is.
 Anybody have any experience with it?
 
 Bill
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Behalf Of Peter
  Fagerlund
  Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:29 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
 
  söndagen den 30 mars 2003 kl 20.33 skrev marc fleury:
 
   why don't we bring them on then?
 
  Send in another X number troops  to fix the non result ..
 
  Pulezzze what is the non result U are experiencing ... the 
 real or the
  non-real ... and You say solve it with numbers -hehe ...
 
  You are such a non-general You are ... just a trooper ... U are ...
 
  Listen kids ... producing LOC is very un-interesting - Reducing LOC
  with clear spell is productive ... Some of You are just adding
  classes and LOC without keeping a entropy check ... for Your code --
  shining U are with LOC count. This is very much real here 
 ... I like a
  iteration of min 1k for a deploy/undeploy repeted test for 
 thejbossteam
  ploy deploy ... resulting in a non mem fatigue - then thejbossteam
  might be considered to move on ... !!!
 
  check ...
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-03-31 Thread Sacha Labourey
Hello Bela,

Yes, we need some kind of policy. But I thought about something a little bit
different. In fact, there is already a way for services that have state to
know about partition merging and plug into it. Instead I thought about a
policy where you can receive events when you are no more on the good side
(defined by the policy) of the network partition. This could be, for
example, access to a common DB, some data in a common DB, the minimal size
of the partition, etc. As long as the policy is not satisfied, the service
would be in stand-by.

Cheers,


sacha

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 Behalf Of Bela Ban
 Sent: mardi, 1. avril 2003 02:31
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state 
 merge algorithm
 
 
 David Klimek wrote:
 
  Hi Sacha,
 
  thank you very much for your comments. Now I believe I have quite 
  clean picture of partition merge issues.
 
  Maybe the conditions and limitations you mentioned should 
 be added to 
  documentation as they are not obvious and there can be a 
 lot of people 
  living, as I did before, in paradise, where all the mess with state 
  merging, is handled by clustering framework. 
 
 
 Maybe we should come up with a conflict resolution policy, similar to 
 the failover policy: the policy is user-defined and - 
 whenever there is 
 a merge - it is called with all substates. At this point it needs to 
 implement the merge and update the local copy.
 
 For the state service we could for instance provide a simple default 
 policy which applies the union of all states and sees this as the new 
 state. The only requirement for such a policy is that it is 
 deterministic.
 
 -- 
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[JBoss-dev] ECPERF [WAS: hsqldb options]

2003-03-30 Thread Sacha Labourey
BTW, who is currently working on ECPerf? What is the status? I am interested
in some feedback about the current status.F

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: samedi, 29. mars 2003 21:00
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
 Too many writes, to many Optimistic exceptions.  
 TRANSACTION_SERIALIZABLE
 usually is considered a performance bottleneck in the same 
 way that our
 QueuedPessismistic Entity bean lock can be a bottleneck as 
 well.  I would
 like to try out ECPERF with Mckoi to see what kind of 
 performance boost we
 could get.
 
 Bill
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Behalf Of Sacha
  Labourey
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:09 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
  Did you take a look at McKoi? http://www.mckoi.com/database/
 
  From the DOC:
  =
  There are four transaction isolation levels defined by the 
 SQL standard.
  Each isolation level provides varying degrees of protection 
 from seeing
  changes made by concurrent connections. The Mckoi database 
 engine supports
  the strongest isolation level defined by the standard -
  TRANSACTION_SERIALIZABLE. This isolation level prevents a 
 transaction from
  seeing all types of concurrent changes. The Mckoi database 
 engine achieves
  this through a multi-version data model that efficiently manages and
  isolates multiple views of the underlying data.
 
  During a transaction the connection sees a version (or 
 snapshot) of the
  database that is isolated from any changes made by other 
 connections.
  Additionally, any changes made within the context of a 
 transaction are
  isolated from the rest of the database. This means that while a
  transaction
  is open the view a connection has of the database is blind from
  changes made
  by other concurrent connections.
 
  The multi-version data model allows the Mckoi database 
 engine to avoid all
  inter-transactional table/row locking and deadlock issues. No
  tables or rows
  are locked between concurrent transactions. While one transaction
  is reading
  from a table, another transaction may update the table at the
  same time. Any
  data consistency conflicts (for example, two connections
  committing a change
  that deletes the same row from a table) are detected when a 
 transaction is
  committed.
 
 
 
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   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of Bill Burke
   Sent: samedi, 29. mars 2003 19:00
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
  
  
  
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Behalf Of David
Jencks
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
   
   
Prompted by a customer, I did some experiments with 
 hsqldb options.
   
Currently we specify a tcp port and require a hsqldb mbean
   to start the
hsqldb server.  This opens a port and requires explicit
   hsqldb shutdown.
   
Two other options that appear to work are:
   
specify url jdbc:hsqldb:. and remove the hsqldb mbean.
   This results in a
totally in memory db, nothing saved to disk.  IMO this is
   appropriate for
most of the testsuite since it eliminates problems with
   data not being
cleaned  up between test runs.
   
specify url jdbc:hsqldb:somefile and remove the hsqldb mbean.
This results
in the db saved in a couple of files named like somefile.
   No port is
opened.  No explicit shutdown of hsqldb  seems to be
   required (although I
didn't test how much data is actually saved)
   
Could someone who knows more about hsqldb  please explain
   clearly why we
would want to continue using the setup we  have now rather
   than one of the
tcp-port free options?
   
  
  
   Man, if only hsqldb was transactional.  We should recruit
   them to become a
   JBoss project and put keen transactional minds like David
   Jencks on the
   subject.  A fully transactional in-memory DBMS would kick the
   crap out of
   everybody in benchmarking.  I'm surprise Oracle 9iAS doesn't
   run in-process
   with the Oracle DBMS already
  
   Bill
  
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-03-30 Thread Sacha Labourey
Yes, sure. In the meantime, I've added my SFSB proposal to the clustering
todo list.

Thank you for this discussion,



sacha

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 Behalf Of David Klimek
 Sent: lundi, 31. mars 2003 00:07
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state 
 merge algorithm
 
 
 Hi Sacha,
 
 thank you very much for your comments. Now I believe I have 
 quite clean 
 picture of partition merge issues.
 
 Maybe the conditions and limitations you mentioned should be added to 
 documentation as they are not obvious and there can be a lot 
 of people 
 living, as I did before, in paradise, where all the mess with state 
 merging, is handled by clustering framework.
 
 Greet's
 David
 
 Sacha Labourey wrote:
 Maybe that's one of the points. As I understand partion 
 split each 
 groups things that all nodes in other group are down, but 
 they are not 
 so there is not chance how to avoid concurrent access.
  
  
  Yes. But solutions may be found, such as using a central DB 
 as a way to
  decide who is up/down.
  
  
 Anyway the same problem can occur in  DistributedState service from 
 JBoss Clustering framework, where no such limitaton is 
 explicitly given 
 by spec.
  
  
  Yes, this must be added for generic use. But let's finish our SFSB
  discussion first as it is a little bit different.
  
  
 Furthermore, even in the strange
 scenario you describe (concurrent access to a same SFSB), 
 
 the merge would
 
 not update the remote nodes until a new SFSB operation 
 
 occurs i.e. with
 
 SFSB, we replicate only when we modify a SFSB, not when a 
 
 merge occurs.
 
 That's even worst.
 
 Suppose after partition merge group 1. has SFSB in state A 
 and group 2. 
 has SFSB in state B.
  
  
  We DON'T merge state for SFSB.
  
  
 First, as I belive, after partition merge you can get inconstent 
 behavior. If you use SFSB replica from node in group 1. you 
 get state A 
 if you read SFSB replica from node in group 2. you get state B.
  
  
  Yes, but remember that the choice of the node is done in 
 the CLIENT proxy
  which will ALWAYS use the same target as long as it is available.
  
  
 Second, when SFSB modify to state C occurs, one node 
 rewrites state B 
 and A on all other nodes. So group of nodes went through 
 states A-C and 
 group through states A-B-C with all consequences.
  
  
  Yes, the solution is in the fact that we don't merge the 
 state and we always
  go to the same node. The only situation where something bad 
 could occur is:
   - client A use node 1
   - partition is split
   - client A continue using node 1
   - node 1 cannot transmit its updates to node 2 because of 
 the net partition
   - client can suddently no more reach node1
   - it failover to node 2 but node 2 has the old state!
  
  If this is a problem for you, we could imagine to send 
 piggy-back to the
  client proxy, the state version id. If, when we failover, 
 we have a lower
  value, we could throw an exception.
  
  
 Maybe I could try to prepare some testcase demonstrating problem.
 
 Sorry if am I missing something, but I still strongly believe, that 
 merging partions is very dangerous and can put cluster in 
  
  
  Yes, which is why we don't merge.
  
  
 inconsistent 
 state. It seems to me, that it is as complicated as to try 
 merge the 
 state of two computers (processors, memory, I/O devices) 
 after they run 
 separateted for a while.
  
  
  Yes, you are right, it is application specific, there is no 
 generic way to
  take such a decision.
  
  Cheers,
  
  
  
  Sacha
  
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options

2003-03-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
Well, for quick prototyping it is nice to use the persistent version which
allows to use JBossMQ for example and restart JBoss without loosing
persistent messages.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: samedi, 29. mars 2003 18:45
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
 There is no reason why we can't just document both configs 
 and let the user
 choose what they want. The pure in memory version seems like 
 the better
 default configuration.
 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:55 AM
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
  Prompted by a customer, I did some experiments with hsqldb options.
  
  Currently we specify a tcp port and require a hsqldb mbean 
 to start the
  hsqldb server.  This opens a port and requires explicit 
 hsqldb shutdown.
  
  Two other options that appear to work are:
  
  specify url jdbc:hsqldb:. and remove the hsqldb mbean.  
 This results in a
  totally in memory db, nothing saved to disk.  IMO this is 
 appropriate for
  most of the testsuite since it eliminates problems with 
 data not being
  cleaned  up between test runs.
  
  specify url jdbc:hsqldb:somefile and remove the hsqldb 
 mbean.  This results
  in the db saved in a couple of files named like somefile.  
 No port is
  opened.  No explicit shutdown of hsqldb  seems to be 
 required (although I
  didn't test how much data is actually saved)
  
  Could someone who knows more about hsqldb  please explain 
 clearly why we
  would want to continue using the setup we  have now rather 
 than one of the
  tcp-port free options?
  
  Thanks
  david jencks
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options

2003-03-29 Thread Sacha Labourey
Did you take a look at McKoi? http://www.mckoi.com/database/

From the DOC:
=
There are four transaction isolation levels defined by the SQL standard.
Each isolation level provides varying degrees of protection from seeing
changes made by concurrent connections. The Mckoi database engine supports
the strongest isolation level defined by the standard -
TRANSACTION_SERIALIZABLE. This isolation level prevents a transaction from
seeing all types of concurrent changes. The Mckoi database engine achieves
this through a multi-version data model that efficiently manages and
isolates multiple views of the underlying data. 

During a transaction the connection sees a version (or snapshot) of the
database that is isolated from any changes made by other connections.
Additionally, any changes made within the context of a transaction are
isolated from the rest of the database. This means that while a transaction
is open the view a connection has of the database is blind from changes made
by other concurrent connections. 

The multi-version data model allows the Mckoi database engine to avoid all
inter-transactional table/row locking and deadlock issues. No tables or rows
are locked between concurrent transactions. While one transaction is reading
from a table, another transaction may update the table at the same time. Any
data consistency conflicts (for example, two connections committing a change
that deletes the same row from a table) are detected when a transaction is
committed. 



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: samedi, 29. mars 2003 19:00
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Behalf Of David
  Jencks
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:55 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] hsqldb options
 
 
  Prompted by a customer, I did some experiments with hsqldb options.
 
  Currently we specify a tcp port and require a hsqldb mbean 
 to start the
  hsqldb server.  This opens a port and requires explicit 
 hsqldb shutdown.
 
  Two other options that appear to work are:
 
  specify url jdbc:hsqldb:. and remove the hsqldb mbean.  
 This results in a
  totally in memory db, nothing saved to disk.  IMO this is 
 appropriate for
  most of the testsuite since it eliminates problems with 
 data not being
  cleaned  up between test runs.
 
  specify url jdbc:hsqldb:somefile and remove the hsqldb mbean.
  This results
  in the db saved in a couple of files named like somefile.  
 No port is
  opened.  No explicit shutdown of hsqldb  seems to be 
 required (although I
  didn't test how much data is actually saved)
 
  Could someone who knows more about hsqldb  please explain 
 clearly why we
  would want to continue using the setup we  have now rather 
 than one of the
  tcp-port free options?
 
 
 
 Man, if only hsqldb was transactional.  We should recruit 
 them to become a
 JBoss project and put keen transactional minds like David 
 Jencks on the
 subject.  A fully transactional in-memory DBMS would kick the 
 crap out of
 everybody in benchmarking.  I'm surprise Oracle 9iAS doesn't 
 run in-process
 with the Oracle DBMS already
 
 Bill
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-03-28 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Disagree.
 
 Consider following:
 
 1. Cluster running banking application with SFSB's

Ok.

 2. Cluster is split into two groups

ok

 3. Each group continues concurently previous computation

You mean: you may have work in progress for a given set of SFSB on each node
(each node being on a given network partition)

 4. Second group finishes computation and changes SFSB state 
 and produces 
 output (assigns money to account)

 = go to the DB = no network partition wrt database access. OK.

 5. First group still doesn't finish its computation

Ok.

 6. Partition merge occurs

Ok.

 7. SFBS state on nodes of second group is rewriten by state of first 
 unfished group

No. Here, you make the assumption that you can have CONCURRENT access to the
SAME SFSB which is not allowed per spec. Furthermore, even in the strange
scenario you describe (concurrent access to a same SFSB), the merge would
not update the remote nodes until a new SFSB operation occurs i.e. with
SFSB, we replicate only when we modify a SFSB, not when a merge occurs.

 8. Cluster finishes computation again and changes SFBS state and 
 produces output (assigns AGAIN money to account)
 
 So we get as I belive incorrect and dangerous cluster behavior.

Do we agree now?

Cheers,



Sacha



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RE: [JBoss-dev] AOP versioned ACID objects 1st iteration

2003-03-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
IMPRESSIVE BILL! Congratulations! Not only does this is impressive, but it
is ridiculously EASY to use.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: jeudi, 27. mars 2003 01:09
 To: Jboss-Dev
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] AOP versioned ACID objects 1st iteration
 
 
 I have implemented a new AOP service for Serializable POJOs, Versioned
 Objects.  You can transactionally version an object.  If you 
 modify the
 object within a transaction, this modification is not seen by other
 transactions.  If the tx commits, the changes seen, if a 
 rollback happens
 the changes are rolled back.  On commit, if another tx has 
 modified the
 object, the tx will rollback (OptimisticLocking).
 
 The way it works is as follows:
 
 POJO pojo = new POJO();
 pojo = (POJO)org.jboss.aop.plugins.Versioned.makeVersioned(pojo);
 
 calling Versioned.makeVersioned creates a proxy that sits in 
 front of the
 real object.
 
 transactionManager.begin();
 
 pojo.callMethod();
 
 when callMethod is invoked since there is a transaction, an 
 interceptor
 creates a copy of the REAL pojo and does all further 
 invocations on this
 copy.
 
 pojo.someField = 5;
 
 If you have field interception turned on, public field will 
 also be accessed
 via the copy/version
 
 tm.commit();
 
 On commit, a tx Synchronization checks to see if the version you have
 created is the latest and greatest.  If not an
 org.jboss.aop.plugins.OptimisticLockFailure exception is thrown in
 beforeCompletion.  I'm not sure how this exception is wrapped.
 
 Some other semantics:
 
 1. All method invocations force a version to be created.  You 
 can avoid this
 by declared class-metadata as follows:
 
 class-metadata name=234234 group=VERSIONED
 class=org.jboss.test.aop.bean.VersionedPOJO
 method name=get.*
   read-onlytrue/read-only
 /method
 /class-metadata
 
 A readonly method will not cause the creation of a version 
 and the current
 object will be used.
 
 
 An example and unit test is under
 testsuite/src/main/org/jboss/test/aop/bean/VersionedObjectTester.java
 
 The example object VersionedPOJO.java, has 1 interceptor 
 pointcut declared
 on the class to do Tx stuff.  See
 testsuite/src/resources/aop/META-INF/jboss-aop.xml for more details.
 
 What would be nice is to also write a TransactionalLock 
 interceptor for
 versioned POJO's that have high OptimisticLock failures.
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-03-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
You can subscribe to merge events if you want to implement the merging
yourself i.e. if you use the clustering framework for your own mbeans.

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 Subject: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I'm looking for correct algorithm, that merges states of some 
 clustered 
 service when parition merge occurs.
 
 Consider following scenario:
 1. Running 8 node cluster
 2. Added key name with value=beforesplit into state (state is 
 replicated across all nodes of cluster)
 3. Because of network failure cluster is splited into two 
 groups (each 
 with 4 nodes)
 4. On first group key name is modified to value groupone
 5. On second group key name is modified to value grouptwo
 6. Network is recovered. Cluster partion merge occurs.
 
 After merge all nodes should have one value for key name but which 
 value? (groupone, grouptwo, beforesplit) or exception should 
 be raised?
 
 If we drop one value, what if already this value was used in some 
 computation or output and simple drop will cause inconsistent 
 behavior?
 
 
 Current JBoss clustering services doesn't throw light at it now. 
 DistributedStateService doesn't handle partion merge at all and 
 DistributedReplicaManager simply drops one of values when there are 
 differend values for one key.
 
 Thank you for any thoughts
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] NUKES on JBoss

2003-03-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
Changing the concurrent number of thread allowed for JBossWeb: 100 was way
to small!

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 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] NUKES on JBoss
 
 
 Oh, in that case... forget my last post - Looking forward to 
 a fast and 
 stable and not-always-changing site :)
 
 by the way... at the moment it is not answering ;)
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RE: [JBoss-dev] Partition merge and service state merge algorithm

2003-03-27 Thread Sacha Labourey
 Hi, thank's for answering. Yes I'm using clustering framwork and
 membershipChangedDuringMerge, but I didn't find any correct 
 alghorithm 
 how to choose value for conflicting keys. (e.g. Timestamping)
 
 I hoped that I would find this idea in source code for 
 DistributedStateService but as I understand its and 
 JavaGroups behavior 
 after partition merge, DistributedStateService can be in inconsistent 
 state. (differend global state data on differend cluster 
 nodes) Am I right?
 
 I'm afraid that this problem is unsolvable and there allways be 
 situations in cluster, that after partition merge, cluster will be in 
 inconsistent state and would produce wrong output.

No. Cases:
 - DRM: we refresh total view after merging
 - Http session: sticky sessions = the last state is always correct
 - SFSB: we always use the same node and the last state will be resent to
other node at merge time



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