Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Jason Dillon
Repackaging of the EJB bits which are not under org.jboss.ejb is minor 
IMO, but making the module separation is important for build 
simplification and general logical separation of server components.

I think stink it is worth the effort.

--jason

On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 09:33  AM, Scott M Stark wrote:

This is this list of packages under server that really are ejb specific
and not already under org/jboss/ejb:
./org/jboss/monitor ?
./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
Its really not much so I don't really see its worth the effort to 
rename. Especially
given that a lot of this is obsolete or soon will be.


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC

- Original Message -
From: "Dain Sundstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to 
EJB land.


On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:56 AM, Jason Dillon wrote:

EJB specific:

./org/jboss/security ?
./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
./org/jboss/monitor ?
./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
./org/jboss/metadata
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
./org/jboss/deployment
If the above stuff is truly EJB specific I think we should put them
under the org.jboss.ejb package.  If it is not then, we should move
them to their respective modules (we will move the cmp stuff).  I 
think
we need a clear delineation between EJB specific stuff and general
behaviors that can be reused by other distributed object frameworks
like AOP.

How does everyone feel about that?

-dain


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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Scott M Stark
This is this list of packages under server that really are ejb specific
and not already under org/jboss/ejb:

> ./org/jboss/monitor ?
> ./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
> ./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
> ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
> ./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
> ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
> ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
> ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
> ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql

Its really not much so I don't really see its worth the effort to rename. Especially
given that a lot of this is obsolete or soon will be.


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC


- Original Message - 
From: "Dain Sundstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.


> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:56 AM, Jason Dillon wrote:
> 
> > EJB specific:
> >
> > ./org/jboss/security ?
> > ./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
> > ./org/jboss/monitor ?
> > ./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
> > ./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
> > ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
> > ./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
> > ./org/jboss/metadata
> > ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
> > ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
> > ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
> > ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
> > ./org/jboss/deployment
> 
> If the above stuff is truly EJB specific I think we should put them 
> under the org.jboss.ejb package.  If it is not then, we should move 
> them to their respective modules (we will move the cmp stuff).  I think 
> we need a clear delineation between EJB specific stuff and general 
> behaviors that can be reused by other distributed object frameworks 
> like AOP.
> 
> How does everyone feel about that?
> 
> -dain



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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Scott M Stark
> ./org/jboss/verifier
> ./org/jboss/verifier/event
> ./org/jboss/verifier/factory
All of these are for validation of ejb deployments so it is ejb specific.
> ./org/jboss/security ?
Not ejb specific.
> ./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
Obsolete and should be dropped.
> ./org/jboss/metadata
A mixture of j2ee metadata, not just ejb specific
> ./org/jboss/deployment
This is j2ee application deployment not specific to ejb
> ./org/jboss/monitor ?
> ./org/jboss/monitor/client ?


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC


- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Dillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.


> I just quickly scanned the packages in server and it looks like quite a 
> bit is non-ejb specific.
> 
> There is just too much mingling between core system components and EJB 
> fluff.  JBoss will be better off with these nice and cleanly separated. 
>   JBoss... more than just and EJB container.
> 
> Not EJB specific:
> 
> ./org/jboss/aspect
> ./org/jboss/aspect/interceptors
> ./org/jboss/aspect/internal
> ./org/jboss/aspect/jmx
> ./org/jboss/aspect/spi
> ./org/jboss/cache
> ./org/jboss/cache/invalidation
> ./org/jboss/cache/invalidation/bridges
> ./org/jboss/cache/invalidation/triggers
> ./org/jboss/cmp
> ./org/jboss/cmp/aop
> ./org/jboss/cmp/query
> ./org/jboss/cmp/schema
> ./org/jboss/cmp/sql
> ./org/jboss/cmp/sql/jdbc
> ./org/jboss/invocation
> ./org/jboss/invocation/http
> ./org/jboss/invocation/http/interfaces
> ./org/jboss/invocation/http/server
> ./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp
> ./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp/interfaces
> ./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp/server
> ./org/jboss/invocation/local
> ./org/jboss/invocation/nrmi
> ./org/jboss/invocation/nrmi/algorithm
> ./org/jboss/invocation/pooled
> ./org/jboss/invocation/pooled/interfaces
> ./org/jboss/invocation/pooled/server
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client/bio
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client/nbio
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server/bio
> ./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server/nbio
> ./org/jboss/jms
> ./org/jboss/jms/asf
> ./org/jboss/jms/jndi
> ./org/jboss/jmx
> ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor
> ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/rmi
> ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/xml
> ./org/jboss/jmx/connector
> ./org/jboss/jmx/connector/notification
> ./org/jboss/jmx/connector/rmi
> ./org/jboss/jmx/service
> ./org/jboss/logging
> ./org/jboss/naming
> ./org/jboss/naming/java
> ./org/jboss/proxy
> ./org/jboss/proxy/compiler
> ./org/jboss/verifier
> ./org/jboss/verifier/event
> ./org/jboss/verifier/factory
> ./org/jboss/web
> 
> EJB specific:
> 
> ./org/jboss/security ?
> ./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
> ./org/jboss/monitor ?
> ./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
> ./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
> ./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
> ./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
> ./org/jboss/metadata
> ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
> ./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
> ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
> ./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
> ./org/jboss/deployment
> ./org/jboss/ejb
> ./org/jboss/ejb/entity
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/bridge
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/ejbql
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/bridge
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/hsqldb
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/informix
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/jdbc3
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/metadata
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/mysql
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/sybase
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/bmp
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/jdbc
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/metadata
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jms
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/keygenerator
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/keygenerator/uuid
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/local
> ./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/lock
> ./org/jboss/ejb/timer
> 
> --jason



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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:56 AM, Jason Dillon wrote:

EJB specific:

./org/jboss/security ?
./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
./org/jboss/monitor ?
./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
./org/jboss/metadata
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
./org/jboss/deployment
If the above stuff is truly EJB specific I think we should put them 
under the org.jboss.ejb package.  If it is not then, we should move 
them to their respective modules (we will move the cmp stuff).  I think 
we need a clear delineation between EJB specific stuff and general 
behaviors that can be reused by other distributed object frameworks 
like AOP.

How does everyone feel about that?

-dain



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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread David Klimek
Bill Burke wrote:
I really don't understand why you need to move stuff out of server/ anyways.
This is mostly EJB anyways.  Why not just rename the server/ module to EJB?
I really don't see any gain in this cosmetic shit except wasting everybody's
time trying to figure out where everything is again
Orientation in CVS tree is realy quite hard, expecialy for new people. 
Something like README in each directory describing contens of directory 
and its subdirectories, current status of directory like "development, 
stable, obsolete" and of course maintainer would be great and very valuable.

Greet's
David


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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Jason Dillon
I just quickly scanned the packages in server and it looks like quite a 
bit is non-ejb specific.

There is just too much mingling between core system components and EJB 
fluff.  JBoss will be better off with these nice and cleanly separated. 
 JBoss... more than just and EJB container.

Not EJB specific:

./org/jboss/aspect
./org/jboss/aspect/interceptors
./org/jboss/aspect/internal
./org/jboss/aspect/jmx
./org/jboss/aspect/spi
./org/jboss/cache
./org/jboss/cache/invalidation
./org/jboss/cache/invalidation/bridges
./org/jboss/cache/invalidation/triggers
./org/jboss/cmp
./org/jboss/cmp/aop
./org/jboss/cmp/query
./org/jboss/cmp/schema
./org/jboss/cmp/sql
./org/jboss/cmp/sql/jdbc
./org/jboss/invocation
./org/jboss/invocation/http
./org/jboss/invocation/http/interfaces
./org/jboss/invocation/http/server
./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp
./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp/interfaces
./org/jboss/invocation/jrmp/server
./org/jboss/invocation/local
./org/jboss/invocation/nrmi
./org/jboss/invocation/nrmi/algorithm
./org/jboss/invocation/pooled
./org/jboss/invocation/pooled/interfaces
./org/jboss/invocation/pooled/server
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client/bio
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/client/nbio
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server/bio
./org/jboss/invocation/trunk/server/nbio
./org/jboss/jms
./org/jboss/jms/asf
./org/jboss/jms/jndi
./org/jboss/jmx
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/rmi
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/xml
./org/jboss/jmx/connector
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/notification
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/rmi
./org/jboss/jmx/service
./org/jboss/logging
./org/jboss/naming
./org/jboss/naming/java
./org/jboss/proxy
./org/jboss/proxy/compiler
./org/jboss/verifier
./org/jboss/verifier/event
./org/jboss/verifier/factory
./org/jboss/web
EJB specific:

./org/jboss/security ?
./org/jboss/security/plugins ?
./org/jboss/monitor ?
./org/jboss/monitor/client ?
./org/jboss/verifier/strategy ?
./org/jboss/jmx/adaptor/ejb
./org/jboss/jmx/connector/ejb
./org/jboss/metadata
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb
./org/jboss/proxy/ejb/handle
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb
./org/jboss/cmp/ejb/ejbql
./org/jboss/deployment
./org/jboss/ejb
./org/jboss/ejb/entity
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/bridge
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/ejbql
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/bridge
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/hsqldb
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/informix
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/jdbc3
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/metadata
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/mysql
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/cmp/jdbc/sybase
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/bmp
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/jdbc
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jaws/metadata
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/jms
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/keygenerator
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/keygenerator/uuid
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/local
./org/jboss/ejb/plugins/lock
./org/jboss/ejb/timer
--jason



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RE: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Burke
most if not all of the stuff in server IS ejb.  The invocation stuff will
slowly be migrated to AOP and JBoss Remoting.  Other than that, what else is
there? I still think this is not a good idea.

Bill

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason
> Dillon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB
> land.
>
>
> Nightly build?  I have never been maintaining that, short of build
> system support.  As for the rest of the build system fluff I am looking
> into several possible solutions to resolve many of the problems which
> currently exist.
>
> The EJB stuff has been on my list of stuff todo since I separated the
> system module from server.  I never got around to it due to the size
> and impact of the changes.  I still think that it should be done, as
> the separation helps keep JBoss a generic architecture by forcing
> people to keep dependencies in order.  It also makes the build system
> easier to maintain wrt module outputs and such.
>
> +1 for ejb move... eventually when it does not fuck anything up.
>
> --jason
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 08:47  PM, Bill Burke wrote:
>
> > I really don't understand why you need to move stuff out of server/
> > anyways.
> > This is mostly EJB anyways.  Why not just rename the server/ module to
> > EJB?
> > I really don't see any gain in this cosmetic shit except wasting
> > everybody's
> > time trying to figure out where everything is again and screwing with
> > people
> > that are currently working on that code.  Shouldn't you rather be
> > putting
> > your efforts in fixing the nightly build?  Or improving buildmagic?
> > Instead
> > of this cosmetic bullshit?(BTW, I see that building is much faster now.
> > Thank you!)
> >
> > BUT, if you really insist, either Thursday and Friday, or end of next
> > week
> > for the ejb/ module changes.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> >> Jason
> >> Dillon
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:30 AM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to
> >> EJB
> >> land.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any preferences on when the changes should be made as to not interfere
> >> with your work?  I guess it will take about a day to make the change.
> >> How long will it take you to complete the interception changes?
> >>
> >> --jason
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:00  AM, Bill Burke wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm begging people not to do any large scale changes to EJB land.
> >>> I'm
> >>> about
> >>> to undertake converting all the EJB interceptors and invokers to use
> >>> the AOP
> >>> Invocation object and Interceptor interface.  This my first step on
> >>> integrating the AOP DP framework.
> >>>
> >>> I'm asking you to please notify me before attempting any large scale
> >>> changes
> >>> like moving server/ to ejb/ module because I may lose hours/days of
> >>> work if
> >>> you don't.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Jason Dillon
Nightly build?  I have never been maintaining that, short of build 
system support.  As for the rest of the build system fluff I am looking 
into several possible solutions to resolve many of the problems which 
currently exist.

The EJB stuff has been on my list of stuff todo since I separated the 
system module from server.  I never got around to it due to the size 
and impact of the changes.  I still think that it should be done, as 
the separation helps keep JBoss a generic architecture by forcing 
people to keep dependencies in order.  It also makes the build system 
easier to maintain wrt module outputs and such.

+1 for ejb move... eventually when it does not fuck anything up.

--jason

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 08:47  PM, Bill Burke wrote:

I really don't understand why you need to move stuff out of server/ 
anyways.
This is mostly EJB anyways.  Why not just rename the server/ module to 
EJB?
I really don't see any gain in this cosmetic shit except wasting 
everybody's
time trying to figure out where everything is again and screwing with 
people
that are currently working on that code.  Shouldn't you rather be 
putting
your efforts in fixing the nightly build?  Or improving buildmagic?  
Instead
of this cosmetic bullshit?(BTW, I see that building is much faster now.
Thank you!)

BUT, if you really insist, either Thursday and Friday, or end of next 
week
for the ejb/ module changes.

Bill


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 
Jason
Dillon
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to 
EJB
land.

Any preferences on when the changes should be made as to not interfere
with your work?  I guess it will take about a day to make the change.
How long will it take you to complete the interception changes?
--jason

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:00  AM, Bill Burke wrote:

I'm begging people not to do any large scale changes to EJB land.  
I'm
about
to undertake converting all the EJB interceptors and invokers to use
the AOP
Invocation object and Interceptor interface.  This my first step on
integrating the AOP DP framework.

I'm asking you to please notify me before attempting any large scale
changes
like moving server/ to ejb/ module because I may lose hours/days of
work if
you don't.
Thanks,

Bill



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RE: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Bill Burke
I really don't understand why you need to move stuff out of server/ anyways.
This is mostly EJB anyways.  Why not just rename the server/ module to EJB?
I really don't see any gain in this cosmetic shit except wasting everybody's
time trying to figure out where everything is again and screwing with people
that are currently working on that code.  Shouldn't you rather be putting
your efforts in fixing the nightly build?  Or improving buildmagic?  Instead
of this cosmetic bullshit?(BTW, I see that building is much faster now.
Thank you!)

BUT, if you really insist, either Thursday and Friday, or end of next week
for the ejb/ module changes.

Bill


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jason
> Dillon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB
> land.
>
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> Any preferences on when the changes should be made as to not interfere
> with your work?  I guess it will take about a day to make the change.
> How long will it take you to complete the interception changes?
>
> --jason
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:00  AM, Bill Burke wrote:
>
> > I'm begging people not to do any large scale changes to EJB land.  I'm
> > about
> > to undertake converting all the EJB interceptors and invokers to use
> > the AOP
> > Invocation object and Interceptor interface.  This my first step on
> > integrating the AOP DP framework.
> >
> > I'm asking you to please notify me before attempting any large scale
> > changes
> > like moving server/ to ejb/ module because I may lose hours/days of
> > work if
> > you don't.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
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Re: [JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-05 Thread Jason Dillon
Any preferences on when the changes should be made as to not interfere 
with your work?  I guess it will take about a day to make the change.  
How long will it take you to complete the interception changes?

--jason

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:00  AM, Bill Burke wrote:

I'm begging people not to do any large scale changes to EJB land.  I'm 
about
to undertake converting all the EJB interceptors and invokers to use 
the AOP
Invocation object and Interceptor interface.  This my first step on
integrating the AOP DP framework.

I'm asking you to please notify me before attempting any large scale 
changes
like moving server/ to ejb/ module because I may lose hours/days of 
work if
you don't.

Thanks,

Bill



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[JBoss-dev] please notify before large scale changes to EJB land.

2003-03-04 Thread Bill Burke
I'm begging people not to do any large scale changes to EJB land.  I'm about
to undertake converting all the EJB interceptors and invokers to use the AOP
Invocation object and Interceptor interface.  This my first step on
integrating the AOP DP framework.

I'm asking you to please notify me before attempting any large scale changes
like moving server/ to ejb/ module because I may lose hours/days of work if
you don't.

Thanks,

Bill



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