RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
I think I've asked this before... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bela Ban Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JavaGroups; JavaGroups; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3 Bill Burke wrote: Not a good idea. JBoss clustering depends on Javagroups as you know and there are tons of customers/those in production that use JDK 1.3.x. If you do this, JBoss will probably be stuck with Javagroups 2.0.x for some time to come. JBoss 4.0 will support both JDK 1.3 and 1.4. I know that JBoss still depends on JDK 1.3. Any reason we don't move to JDK 1.4 for JBoss 4.0 ? -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
5 months is not a sufficient timeframe to drop support for 1.3. The issue is that there is nothing in 1.4 that is sufficiently interesting to require that JBoss depend on it. We will support JDK 1.4 specific features, but the 4.0 release won't depend on those features. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: Bela Ban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JavaGroups [EMAIL PROTECTED]; JavaGroups [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3 Bill Burke wrote: Not a good idea. JBoss clustering depends on Javagroups as you know and there are tons of customers/those in production that use JDK 1.3.x. If you do this, JBoss will probably be stuck with Javagroups 2.0.x for some time to come. JBoss 4.0 will support both JDK 1.3 and 1.4. I know that JBoss still depends on JDK 1.3. Any reason we don't move to JDK 1.4 for JBoss 4.0 ? -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
Doesn't j2ee 1.4 require j2se 1.4 by spec? Regards, Adrian From: Bill Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: JavaGroups [EMAIL PROTECTED],JavaGroups [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:23:56 -0500 I think I've asked this before... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bela Ban Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: JavaGroups; JavaGroups; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3 Bill Burke wrote: Not a good idea. JBoss clustering depends on Javagroups as you know and there are tons of customers/those in production that use JDK 1.3.x. If you do this, JBoss will probably be stuck with Javagroups 2.0.x for some time to come. JBoss 4.0 will support both JDK 1.3 and 1.4. I know that JBoss still depends on JDK 1.3. Any reason we don't move to JDK 1.4 for JBoss 4.0 ? -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
Scott M Stark wrote: 5 months is not a sufficient timeframe to drop support for 1.3. The issue is that there is nothing in 1.4 that is sufficiently interesting to require that JBoss depend on it. We will support JDK 1.4 specific features, but the 4.0 release won't depend on those features. - More stability - Faster - Lots of bug fixes - Debugging API (debuggers improve if they have this, e.g. hot swapping) - NIO selectors and sockets - NIO buffers - Exception chaining (okay, we have org.jboss.util.NestedException but still...) We (FNC) are very conservative in upgrading to a new JDK, but we went from JDK 1.3 to JDK 1.4.1 because of all the great new features. -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
Ok, fine but nothing in this list says I have to drop 1.3.1 support. You act like we can't run with JDK 1.4.1 which we can. The bigger factor that may require 1.4 is the J2EE 1.4 spec which does list the availability of the J2SE 1.4 APIs as a container requirement. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: Bela Ban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3 Scott M Stark wrote: 5 months is not a sufficient timeframe to drop support for 1.3. The issue is that there is nothing in 1.4 that is sufficiently interesting to require that JBoss depend on it. We will support JDK 1.4 specific features, but the 4.0 release won't depend on those features. - More stability - Faster - Lots of bug fixes - Debugging API (debuggers improve if they have this, e.g. hot swapping) - NIO selectors and sockets - NIO buffers - Exception chaining (okay, we have org.jboss.util.NestedException but still...) We (FNC) are very conservative in upgrading to a new JDK, but we went from JDK 1.3 to JDK 1.4.1 because of all the great new features. -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] Re: [javagroups-users] Survey: JDK 1.4 versus JDK 1.3
Scott M Stark wrote: Ok, fine but nothing in this list says I have to drop 1.3.1 support. You act like we can't run with JDK 1.4.1 which we can. That's *not* what I said. I actually have a convention in JavaGroups by which I name all files that require JDK 1.4 filename1_4, so Ant just picks up the ones needed for a 1.3 compliant build. Once we switch to 1.4, I can rename those files again. I'm not suggesting to move to JDK 1.4 immediately, but don't see any reason to stick with JDK 1.3 once we move to JBoss 4.0. Judging from the responses I got to my question I still have some projects depending on 1.3, but most of them already use 1.4. -- Bela Ban http://www.javagroups.com Cell: (408) 316-4459 --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
