At 10:58 AM 4/10/2004, Uri Guttman wrote:
1. over 3 years of Perl
- strong object-oriented programming in perl
- must be a fast programmer. be able to write
quick scripts that work (at times)
[snip]
$20/hour.
i sent them feedback on that. i can't imagine anyone with that level of
experience
Anyone read the May 2004 issue of Dr.Dobbs, there are a few articles that I find
interesting (description of the P4 architecture, A Manifesto for Collabortive Tools,
Motion estimation and MPEG Encoding). How many of you that have actually read those
articles to completion were fully able to
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:20:38 -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote
There is no supply and demand issue. There is a licensing issue.
Do you really think that anything which 90% of the 'competent' geeks
do can't be learned by the other 140 million adults in the US or the
650,000,000 million
On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 16:40, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
This isnt a licensing issue, this is a comprehension issue. The problem with
the IT profession is that there are too many 'competent geeks' and not enough
professionals. What a competent geek may be capable of is beyond the
Steve == Steve M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If what your saying is true, your in the wrong field because dependency of
such 'rare' guiniess is not enough fuel for an industry to make.
Steve This doesnt require the level of genius you think doesnt exist. Anyone
Steve who is able to understand
Youre basing your argument on a parable? Who cares about short fictitious
stories when trying to discuss facts and quantifiable results?
Steve M
Makes me wonder how those professionals are certified or licensed or
whatever, and of what practical value to employers and managers those
Now Now, don't let the FACTS or TRUTH get in the American way.
--
In The Business World
An Executive Knows Something About Everything,
A Technician Knows Everything About Something,
And the Switchboard Operator Knows Everything.
No one person is smarter than their team!
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
A certification which is not MANDATED by the government for practice is
without much value.
Are the professional associations in medicine law legally mandated, or
just professionally expected? I know that these fields have licenses
and
If you try to unionize IT who would the union negotiate with?
--
In The Business World
An Executive Knows Something About Everything,
A Technician Knows Everything About Something,
And the Switchboard Operator Knows Everything.
No one person is smarter than their team!
At 02:37 PM 4/12/2004, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
Name 5 professions which is not licensed outside of IT.
What about drycleaners?
Whoops, just remembered the Seinfeld episode where the Drycleaners Code of
Ethics was prominently mentioned.
Musicians? Artists? Mechanics? Excavators?
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Steve Milo wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:23:09 -0400, The Cranky Old Man Secretary NYLXS wrote
Where am I going with this?
Down to unemployment to collect your check?
I'm done with them. Time to start innovating again.
You got a Perl job with Microsoft?
At 06:45 AM 4/13/2004, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Similarly, sure, we can teach almost anyone to read a computer program.
I don't necessarily even agree with that... wasn't this the whole concept
behind COBOL? i.e. that being written in English looking verbiage the
source code's meaning was then
But the skill to *write* a computer program is not necessarily
trainable to everyone. It requires some innate sense of abstract
reasoning and problem solving that is definitely available only to a
small portion of the adult population in my experience.
Try New York. It must be something to
At 11:29 AM 4/13/2004, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
Try New York. It must be something to do with the location because
almost all the New Yorkers I've met can learn to do this to a degree
proficient enough to be very useful programmers.
Personally I think it's some kind of chemical synergy
Marty Landman wrote:
My wife is a fine pianist and also an accountant. And she is very
skilled at using her computer at work. Yet she still doesn't get the
difference between programs and data - she'll ask me in the context of
our home office where a file is and I'll ask her where she saved it
Maybe your *friends* in New York. Would you trust an average New York
cabbie or hot dog vendor to write some subroutines for you?
100% with proper training, education and oppurtunity. In fact, this is the central
thrust
of life in New York. BTW - I have many friends who are cab drivers.
At 12:13 PM 4/13/2004, Drew Taylor wrote:
believe that there are a lot of people who can learn to program to some
degree.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment Drew, I remember compsci 1.1 at
Brooklyn College - I took the course because needed science credits, had no
idea what it'd be about
At 01:08 PM 4/13/2004 -0400, Marty Landman wrote:
Three - google searches for specific problems and general guidelines will yield rich
results if you cull, you might want to join the ACM's CHI-WEB usability list, it's
really interesting imo - and the UI folks really seem to enjoy hearing things
Marty Landman wrote:
At 12:13 PM 4/13/2004, Drew Taylor wrote:
believe that there are a lot of people who can learn to program to
some degree.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment Drew, I remember compsci 1.1 at
Brooklyn College - I took the course because needed science credits, had
snip
ML == Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ML Playing devil's advocate for a moment Drew, I remember compsci 1.1 at
ML Brooklyn College - I took the course because needed science credits,
ML had no idea what it'd be about (this was late 70's btw) and knew I was
ML not good at the
2. CEO of any Corporation.
Walt Mankowski wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:37:00PM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:
You are overstating the case by a very wide margin.
Name 5 professions which is not licensed outside of IT.
1.
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