Re: Perl email script (telecommute), United States, OR, clackmas
Posting == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Posting Company name: clackmas paper products Posting Location: United States, OR, clackmas Something smells about this posting, since the actual town name is Clackamas, and there's no listing for either Clackamas Paper Products or Clackmas Paper Products [sic] in the area. Perhaps this is just a bad spammer wanting some help. Can we call for a verification of this listing before good email boxes get hurt? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Agony of the 3-week guarantee
Terrence == Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence No, I operate on passion and I was wired about the work I would be Terrence doing. Also, I had never been cut any earlier than 6 months in 6 years Terrence of consulting, so I figured there was no reason for that to happen now Terrence to me. I've never been asked to work 3 weeks on a trial basis. I'd consider that a huge red flag. :) Terrence Remember, you yourself once said to me: princepawn, you live in an Terrence ideal world :) Yes. At least you're consistent! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Agony of the 3-week guarantee
Terrence == Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence I have just been introduced to the darkside of something I never ever Terrence encountered before. It's called a 3-week guarantee. Under this Terrence program, you are an hourly contractor, but for 3 weeks the company has Terrence no obligation to pay the agent anything. I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure that can even be legal. At a minimum, the body shop needs to pay you minimum wage, I would presume. On the other hand, although you can't sign away fundamental rights, you *can* give up some basic reasonable things when you're desperate. Sounds like you were a bit desperate. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: annual job stats?
Larson == Larson Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larson I am seeing Google influence the world towards Python and the growing Larson LAMP community both are supplanting areas where Perl was the language of Larson choice. Eh? What do you think the P stands for in LAMP? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: I value my freedom more than almost anything... except duckets
Terrence == Terrence Brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrence I am willing to cover my condo lease while I work elsewhere to get Terrence away from my current employer's repeated attempts to police the Terrence employees like a bunch of kindergartners. Do you realize you probably just said more about you than about your employer? Good luck getting a job from anyone who reads/googles this list now. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: OO perl developer (onsite), United States, CA, Alviso
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perl URL for more information: http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
So close, and yet so far away.
Isn't there anyone who trains these technical recruiters about the basics,
like a difference between an email address and a web address? You'd think
that at a tech-savvy company like TiVo, they'd already have done the right
handholding.
{sigh}
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Re: Senior PERL CGI/DB Programmer (onsite), United States, CA, San Diego,
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perl Job title: Senior PERL CGI/DB Programmer
...
Perl Fun, creative North County web development house seeks SENIOR PERL CGI/DB
Perl PROGRAMMER. Our clients range from small to Fortune 100 companies with a
Perl wide variety of Web development projects.
...
Perl URL for more information: http://www.console.net/
Perl Contact information at:
Perl http://jobs.perl.org/job/2934#contact
So, they spell it PERL, and have no email contact address.
How many senior Perl CGI/DB programmers do they expect to get?
{sigh}
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Re: Raw Perl Web Developer (telecommute), Canada, Ontario, Toronto
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perl *Raw Perl Programming -- not dependend on any Perl modules including, but Perl not limited to, CGI, HTML, Exporter. Current exceptions include LWP, DBI Perl and ImageMagik. Sad. Jobs like this make me sad. Let's throw away 75% of what makes a Perl programmer productive. Sad. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Perl Developer; Fast growing technology company, leader in its field (onsite), United States, New York, New York
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perl Internal ID: pbPEARLjpo Doesn't this strike anyone else as a bit odd? :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 merlyn@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Junior Perl/Mod_Perl/Java Typist required
Marty == Marty Landman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marty The subject is from a jobs posting I just saw. Am I the only one that Marty doesn't get what a Marty Junior Perl/Mod_Perl/Java *Typist* is? It's the guy who puts the typing in strong typing. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: will you take fries with that?
Anthony == Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony Unreal. The future doesn't look good if this kind of Anthony stuff continues. What? Job postings? Discussions about job postings? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
Steve == Steve M [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If what your saying is true, your in the wrong field because dependency of such 'rare' guiniess is not enough fuel for an industry to make. Steve This doesnt require the level of genius you think doesnt exist. Anyone Steve who is able to understand a novel would probably be able to perform well Steve on this sort of test. Well, I'm gonna disagree with you there, by analogy. :) Almost all of my (adult) friends have no problem reading and following a good sci-fi or fantasy novel. Very few of them could *write* such a novel in any way that would have my interest. Similarly, sure, we can teach almost anyone to read a computer program. But the skill to *write* a computer program is not necessarily trainable to everyone. It requires some innate sense of abstract reasoning and problem solving that is definitely available only to a small portion of the adult population in my experience. Maybe some of you live sheltered lives, hanging out only with nerds. You gotta get out more often. :) Think of how many VCRs are out there that are *flashing 12:00*. Doh! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
Ruben == Ruben Safir Secretary Nylxs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ruben Name 5 professions which is not licensed outside of IT. Thank you for that, Ruben. You now owe me a new keyboard and screen, since I did a spit-take upon reading this posting. I needed a good laugh. Thanks! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
Ruben == Ruben Safir Secretary Nylxs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ruben Computers are for everyone. You have a growth market of some Ruben 50 million workers in the US alone. Under what form of magic Ruben do you believe that any of the basic allorgithms involved in Ruben program design is beyound ANY normal adults grasp? I know *many* adults that will never be able to write a 10-line program in any language. You apparently do not give yourself enough credit for your skill. Abstract reasoning and algorithm design *is* a specialized aptitude. One of the problems the dot-com boom created was a huge artificial demand (which later collapsed) driving a lot of incompetent people into the field chasing the pot of gold that most of them didn't deserve. I believe in the marketplace. Artificial standards bodies will not work overall. Witness the fiasco of the MCSE... it's merely a money-treadmill for testing services (and Microsoft), and guarantees nothing more than a willingness to part with some of your cash, not any kind of actual skill. Teaching to the test has become far too common. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: 94!
John == John Von Essen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John The problem today is one parent's income can't earn enough to support John the other stay-at-home parent + 2 cars + home + expenses from 2 John kids and so on. Ahh, the american dream, cranked to 11. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: [Perl Jobs] Perl Programmer (onsite), India, Maharashtra, Mumbai
Lance == Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance Another thing that made the news over there a couple of times, Lance and had the IT people I was in contact with worried: Western Lance Protectionist IT policies. There were quite a few articles Lance about laws proposed or currently going through the States and Lance European gov'ts to protect their own IT workers. This has the Lance Indians quite scared. The western nations have been flooding Lance the Indian economy with money. And it terrifies the Indians to Lance have it taken away or restricted in any way. As you would Lance expect them to feel. Hmm. Can we distinguish two different kinds of laws here? Laws that would prevent the farming out of jobs to India -vs- Laws that would prevent the farming out of jobs to India where the remote processing of critical data would be a security risk (like medical or credit records or personnel data) I can clearly support the latter, although the spin-boys might spin the latter as if it were the former. Unfortunately, I'd be hard pressed to come up with a category of data that doesn't require extra precaution in the IT field. So maybe a law based on category of data would still have the effect of bringing all IT jobs back home. The things that'd be left would be like those thousands of people who retype phone directories (public info), probably not very well paying. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Java and Perl
Robert == Robert F Conabee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert In the end we had converted the display portion of the site to Robert Java servlets, but all of the back end data collection and Robert delivery to off-site web-servers remained in Perl. Once we Robert took a critical look at cost/benefit of replacing Perl on the Robert back-end we quickly realized that it was a better choice: the Robert code had been running reliably 24/7 for 2 years, and the Robert regexp parsing tasks would have been much slower and less Robert flexible if implemented in Java. This is precisely the kind of stories we need for Perl advocacy. I hear about this stuff *all the time*. But maybe it's because I'm listening in the Perl groups, where we only talk about the projects that worked. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Contract or salary? (was Re: scary hiring)
Paris == Paris Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paris OTOH, $35/h is over double the average (mean or median) pay in the US. You've got to be careful to match apples to apples here. $35/hr as a salaried employee ($70K/year plus benefits) probably *is* a middle-class family-supporting wage. Even in Oregon. :-) But $35/hr as a *contractor* is pretty darn low. That's effectively $35,000 per year, including the risk of having the job go away tomorrow, and having already established all the extra junk that goes along with putting yourself in business. I don't know whether this was a contract at $35/hr or a salary at $35/hr, but we need to specify context before we can compare. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: scary hiring
David == David Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David it wasn't until after i didn't hear back from them, that i David realized that they had made it quite clear that it was a Monday David to Friday, 9-5 full-time onsite position, for which i'd just David have to pay my own taxes (which is fine with me -- i just David wouldn't get benefits, but hey, i pay my own taxes and David insurance as a contractor anyway... and i don't have the David reliable 40-hour/week billing!) but yet i had stupidly told David them i wanted what amounts to $140,000/yr salary and would David settle for no less! smacks self in head -- oh, well. we David live, we learn, we cry, we learn. we lose, we learn. No, you really do need $70/hr contract to make the equivalent of $70K/yr salary, even if you could manage to bill 2000 hours per year (which you probably won't be able to do). I've owned Stonehenge since 1985, and would be glad to discuss specifics with you, but the rule of thumb fits very well with my experience. From that $70/hr comes your other half of FICA, your business licenses, medical benefits, retirement benefits, any ongoing training, office expenses, additional accounting, legal fees for maintaining the above, reserve for sick-time, vacation-time, bad debts, late payments, conferences, etc etc. I've heard far too many horror stories from people who do the first cut at the math (wow, $140K!), and then later go geez, this just isn't working out. I suppose it's like insurance... sometimes you get lucky and get to keep 75% instead of 50%, but 50% is all you can count on. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Amazon.com
Michael == Michael R Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *nix culture is stong, too. Living so close to two of the Un-namable Evils, it is no wonder there is a surplus of unix geeks. Michael Sorry. Newby. MS and who? Stonehenge? :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Amazon.com
Paris == Paris Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paris Maybe it is because of our Sasquatch ancestry. But Sasquatch is a hoax! [1] [1] http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~rfthomas/papers/wallace.html [2] [2] I met Ray Wallace many years ago. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: PERL - Yahoo! Software Developer (onsite), CA, Sunnyvale
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perl Required skills: PERL, HTML, HTTP, C++, C, UNIX Hmm. I don't know about PERL. Just Perl. (And some perl.) And I don't know any UNIX... just Unix. Perl URL for more information: http://http//www.yahoo.com And that's not a valid URL. At least, not in any sense that would be useful. I might have a host named http, I guess. Perl Contact information: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe Laura should be told how embarassing she is to her company? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Short-term PERL Developer Wanted (telecommute), United States, NJ, Somerville
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perl Pay rate: 50.00 / job Perl Terms of employment: Independent contractor (project-based) Perl Length of employment: 3-4 hours 3-4 hours for $50? Perl Description: Perl We are looking for a talented experienced PERL programmer to make Perl modifications to existing PERL modules scripts to add more functionality. For a *talented* Perl programmer? Who are these guys kidding? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Perl Programmer for Spider Development (part onsite), United States, CA, San Diego
Michael == Michael R Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael As a consultant, I shy away from telling a (prospective) Michael client that they are wrong. They're in the driver seat. Michael Part of my art is to suggest from the back seat. I point Michael out the trees and bumps that I see. They can choose to Michael avoid them or run over them. It's their car, after all. As a consultant who knows better (:-), it's unethical for me to not continually point out that things they are doing won't achieve the goal they have established, if I've already agreed to the goal. If I don't agree with the goal, it's unethical for me to even have accepted the gig. So I cannot, ethically shy away. Sorry. But you're paying me for expertise that you don't have. Why else would you have brought me in? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Perl Programmer for Spider Development (part onsite), United States, CA, San Diego
Perl == Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perl Beginning to medium level Perl, good understanding of HTML tags, and a very Perl logical mind. Must be able to analyze a page to pull it apart with Perl regular expresions. Translation: must use the wrong ugly way of parsing HTML in the most difficult manner possible :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: do not reply to list
Uri == Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uri just a friendly reminder, please DO NOT reply directly to this list. we Uri have had a few of those recently and i want to get it stopped before it Uri gets very bad. always write a fresh email to the address listed in any Uri job/wanted posting and don't hit reply. or if you do want to use reply Uri so you can quote nicely, please remember to delete this list from the Uri address headers. Well, it'd sure be nice if the reply-to was properly set in the headers so that we'd not have to cut-n-paste, and simply hitting reply would do the right thing. Don't make people work at what computers do best. I hear there's this great little text wrangling language that might work just fine to do that. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: rates
Paolo == Paolo Campanella [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paolo Low end: I once responded to a telecommuting job offer, posted Paolo to the Perl Jobs list, from a US employer. I proposed a rate of Paolo USD35/hour, and was told that this is a crazy rate, that the Paolo market has fallen apart, and that he can get good telecommuters Paolo for half that. Then let him. And when the person takes twice as long, and then he misses his deadlines, or has to rewrite substantial portions of it with the *good* contractors he should have hired in the first place, he'll remember you for having said that. :) Yes, I've been the guy passed over and the cleanup guy many times in my career. Programming is not a commodity market. You hire people willing to work for cheap, and you get cheap useless output. And frequently, that's money just thrown down the toilet. Then you hire me, I go in, and in 1/10th the time, rewrite the whole thing, and you pay me 1/4th what you threw away on the other guy. Happens - over and over again. So, let him. Let him understand the error of his ways from a first-hand basis. Let him realize that his unfounded fear of paying me more per hour than he makes does not make him less virile, but actually more successful in the long run. I've also been more successful when I say what's your budget for this? instead of even mentioning hourly rates. I take their budget, divide it by the hourly rate I want, and then bid that many weeks. Much better solution. Of course, I have to deliver it in that, but I'm pretty fast. :) And *that's* all a manager really wants. They've got a budget, and they want the project done. They also have to believe *you* can do it. Oops, shouldn't be giving away my secrets. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: Programmer database on jobs.perl.org?
Uri == Uri Guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uri please don't top quote. in usenet c.l.p.misc it is called jeopardy Uri quoting because the answer is before the question. i haven't commented Uri on it on this list but i would like to see quoted email edited and Uri responses inserted after the relevent quotes. i don't need to see my Uri entire letter below where it does no one any good. Even Microsoft agrees with you... http://www.jsiinc.com/newsgroup_document.htm Header information: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last-modified: 2/18/2000 Copyright: (c) 1995-2000 Microsoft Corporation Maintainer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a preface that starts: This document was designed to help you get more from your peer support experience. ___ / When including text from a previous message in the thread, trim it down to include only text pertinent to your response. Your response should appear below the quoted information. In follow-ups, whether News or Mail, CUT headers signatures, PRUNE quotations, and preserve order. That is to say, quote above each part of your reply as much of the earlier stuff as is needed to put the new material in context, but no more; most readers will be able to refer to the earlier article itself, if need be. Never write on the same line as a quotation, except in lists and notes; generally leave a wholly blank line between. Do not quote the header or the signature, unless it is relevant to do so. \___ That's a great URL to remember to throw at the Microsoftians... -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
