Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2019-04-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM Richard Welty wrote: > On 11/26/13 4:51 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Most streets are not strictly on the 90° raster and signposts are > > only rough directions. > > > > Addings this to OSM might make it much more difficult for Data Consumers > > to process and

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-12-20 Thread Simon Legner
Hi! On 16/12/13 23:59, Martijn van Exel wrote: Can you give me some more guidance for where to look for the classes that would need to be modified? A good starting point might be a search for forward (including marks) in the codebase of JOSM. Cheers, Simon

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-12-16 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Simon and josm-dev (cc my colleague Jonathan) - Looking into building JOSM support for cardinal directions in member roles as discussed before, but the codebase is a bit overwhelming and I don't want to break things. Can you give me some more guidance for where to look for the classes that

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Still feeling that cardinal directions only belong as roles in for child relations in super-relations. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward' and

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Florian, It's more like a designation than a destination, so I think the destination tag would not be very appropriate for this. An Interstate has a cardinal direction, and when giving directions you would say for example 'enter Interstate 80 west'. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Florian

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
Dirk, Yes, point taken. My original question was just about that issue - whether there would be support for implementing that on t a technical level. As it turns out there is much more need to clarify this on a conceptual level first. I will revisit the topic once we reach some clarity around the

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 23:12 2013-11-26, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: So the relation between the east--west and north--south member roles is equivalent to the relation between forward--backward. Because the cardinal direction is commonly included on the

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2013-11-27 11:58, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 23:12 2013-11-26, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: So the relation between the east--west and north--south member roles is equivalent to the relation between forward--backward. Because the

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread SomeoneElse
Richard Welty wrote: what Martjin is after is improving the situation for routing engines that use OSM data. in the US at least, highways, regardless of their actual direction, are assigned cardinal directions and signage frequently uses those directions. the premise is that if the cardinal

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Dirk Stöcker
Hello, this is JOSM development list. Discuss the pro and contra of tagging elsewhere. Here only software development related issues are discussed. If north/south,east/west is aused in the US I agree that we should support it on a technical level if a proper specification is available and

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:57:40PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote: No, these aren't compass directions. They're the directionality of the road. For example, this way is part of the I-94 interstate going west, but a compass in a car driving on it would tell the viewer they were pointing north:

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Norman
From: Florian Lohoff [mailto:f...@zz.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:57:40PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote: No, these aren't compass directions.

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread SomeoneElse
Paul Norman wrote: No, these aren't compass directions. They're the directionality of the road. For example, this way is part of the I-94 interstate going west, ... in the sense that if you carried on for long enough you'd eventually end of west of where you started ... but a compass in a

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Martijn van Exel
Yes, sorry for not being clearer. As Ian indicates, this is the *signposted cardinal direction* of a numbered road route, which does not change with the actual compass direction of the road. The guiding principle for the United States is that the odd numbered Interstates are north/south, and the

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Martijn van Exel
Good point Andy. We would need to clarify the cardinal direction member roles on the wiki for specific regions more. I created a stub of a wiki page that describes proposed (and followed) practice in the U.S: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Directions_In_The_United_States - this page

Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: So the relation between the east--west and north--south member roles is equivalent to the relation between forward--backward. Because the cardinal direction is commonly included on the road signs (see example