[josm-dev] R: R: R: FW: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me?
It has been closed. The problem has been considered to belong to Java and not to JOSM (no fix). I'll keep continue to update the Java VM... :-( F. -Messaggio originale- Da: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org]per conto di Fabrizio Carrai Inviato: domenica 3 maggio 2009 7.21 A: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: [josm-dev] R: R: FW: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me? Done. Ticket created http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/2514 Available for any support would be needed. Fabrizio -Messaggio originale- Da: Jiri Klement [mailto:jiri.klem...@gmail.com] Inviato: lunedì 6 aprile 2009 22.02 A: Fabrizio Carrai Cc: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [josm-dev] R: FW: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me? Can you please make a bug report and include one of the hs_err files? It's quite possible it's a Java bug. In that case upgrading Java to newest version should help. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com wrote: It happened to me as well, but since some earlier version. Approximately since end of January. I also tried to increase the physical memory but without success. Look at your current working directory: everytime that Josm crashes I find an hs_err_pid.log file indicating: # # An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment: # # EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc005) at pc=0x6d0347d6, pid=3996, tid=2088 # # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (11.2-b01 mixed mode windows-x86) # Problematic frame: # C [awt.dll+0x347d6] # # If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit: # http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp # The crash happened outside the Java Virtual Machine in native code. # See problematic frame for where to report the bug. No solution to that up to now. Ciao! Fabrizio -Messaggio originale- Da: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org]per conto di Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Inviato: lunedi 6 aprile 2009 16.50 A: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: [josm-dev] FW: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me? Forwarded from newbies list -Original Message- From: newbies-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:newbies-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harris Sent: 06 April 2009 12:19 PM To: newb...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me? Hi Since approx. 1st April I've been experiencing regular JOSM crashes - never happened before and no obvious change in my own system configuration. Happens with the latest .jar as well as the most recent tested. On carrying out a common operation the program just closes immediately without warning or message. Once it starts happening it happens with increasing frequency until I reboot. No obvious correlation with any particular operation. I have tried a reinstall without improvement - but perhaps I should have cleared out some corrupted old files? If so, what and where? Any tips - I'm getting frustrated! Mike Harris Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.285 / Database dei virus: 270.11.43/2043 - Data di rilascio: 04/06/09 06:22:00 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.285 / Database dei virus: 270.11.45/2045 - Data di rilascio: 04/07/09 06:41:00 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.287 / Database dei virus: 270.12.13/2091 - Data di rilascio: 05/01/09 17:52:00 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Frederik Ramm wrote: But while we're at it, give us some reasons why we need to remain 1.5 compatible. I'm not in a hurry to switch to 1.6 but we'll do it at *some* point and I am interested in finding out what that point is going to be. 1.6 isn't available for PowerPC Macs, FWIW. Apple haven't made a PPC Mac since 2006. I still use PPC for both my main machines (but then I'm not a JOSM user so that may be moot). cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-GPX-implementation-tp23330999p23400671.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - JOSM Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Ľubomír Varga schrieb: I like system not reinventing wheel. If josm will more rely on third party code, it will gain better maintability, stability and less code. Only drawback is in relying on third party code. Well, there are drawbacks like bugs in third party code that you can't easily fix, different versions used in the wild with different behaviour, making it less easy to set up a development environment, ... Regards, ULFL ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
compatible. I'm not in a hurry to switch to 1.6 but we'll do it at *some* point and I am interested in finding out what that point is going to be. Mac OS Tiger, Leopard 32bit have no 1.6 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
It will run everywhere. Only problem with portability is that, that on java 1.5 systems is some aditional lib (packable into josm.jar) needed. afaik. But I see it like handicap, because if Iam not wrong, that lib has about 7 MB. That is realy big think to bundle with josm. I hope Iam wrong... PS: Iam not using primary java because of portability. It is useles on windows mobile based devices (no I/O posibility, no GPS, no access to BT...) I like java because of realy big framework which is bundled with its executive environment. On Wednesday 06 May 2009 02:10:31 Russ Nelson wrote: Ľubomír Varga writes: I like system not reinventing wheel. If josm will more rely on third party code, it will gain better maintability, stability and less code. Only drawback is in relying on third party code. There's nothing *wrong* with third party code. The problem is having a package that runs everywhere. If portability is unimportant to you, why write in Java? -- Odborník na všetko je zlý odborník. Ja sa snažím byť výnimkou potvrdzujúcou pravidlo. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
1.6 isn't available for PowerPC Macs, FWIW. Apple haven't made a PPC Mac since 2006. I still use PPC for both my main machines (but then I'm not a JOSM user so that may be moot). This is in my view a sufficient reason to insist that everything work with 1.5. But, if someone just has to download a jar and add it to a command line, that doesn't seem like a big deal, even if it is 7 MB. pgpTzKx2D6aIn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Ľubomír Varga schrieb: It will run everywhere. Only problem with portability is that, that on java 1.5 systems is some aditional lib (packable into josm.jar) needed. afaik. But I see it like handicap, because if Iam not wrong, that lib has about 7 MB. It's only 1 MB and can be packaged into josm.jar. The user will not experience any changes, but the increased file size. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Hi, Henrik Niehaus wrote: The use case of supporting the GPX standard is equal to the use case of supporting GPX, in my opinion. Do it right or leave it be. I was asking because it seemed to me that supporting a tiny subset of the GPX standard is, in my eyes, sufficient for JOSM - load a file and display it. I've tried GPXes from a lot of different sources and never had a problem. If someone out there has a GPX file that cannot be displayed in JOSM and still conforms to the standard, then we should fix JOSM. I don't, however, see a pressing need to support any and all extended GPX features. And neither do you, it seems. So here's my suggestion, much like what Petr has said: 1. Since writing GPX files is broken beyond easy repair (if I understand you correctly), and since it is not part of the core JOSM functionality, let's remove that functionality from JOSM. 2. You build a plugin based on your code (let it be called Advanced JOSM GPX Manager or something), which completely replaces JOSM's native GPX handling, including reading and writing files, and probably also editing GPX traces (or if you don't want to do that, at least provide a solid foundation for doing such editing). Cross-check with the DirectUpload plugin whether the two should perhaps be merged. Many users would probably like a function that uploads only a part of the currently displayed GPX traces to the server, and things like that. You include the required Java 1.5 libraries in the plugin JAR file. 3. Once your plugin is used by many people and stress tested, and maybe at the time we switch to Java 1.6, we can throw out all the existing GPX code in JOSM and merge your plugin into the core. Does that sound like a plan that works for everybody? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New GPX implementation
Frederik Ramm writes: I don't, however, see a pressing need to support any and all extended GPX features. Actually, JOSM makes a fine GPX editor. Great for removing those birds nests when you stopped for lunch. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Cloudmade supports http://openstreetmap.org/ 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] R: R: R: FW: [OSM-newbies] JOSM problems - is it just me?
Fabrizio Carrai schrieb: It has been closed. The problem has been considered to belong to Java and not to JOSM (no fix). I'll keep continue to update the Java VM... :-( I have the same problem and I think Java 1.6.0_09 or so introduced this issue. I have other Java apps running (e.g. TV-Browser), which don't crash. JOSM is the only java app that crashes so constantly and frequently (after six seconds of usage, as stated in the hs_err_pid-file). I tried different -Xmx values (I normally use 1024M), but that didn't helped. I don't think that the maximum memory usage is a problem here, because JOSM already crashes with about 40 MB of memory used (as seen in the status report). But I found a solution to work around this Java bug: As I looked in the task manager, I noticed that Thunderbird and other non-java apps consumed about 1 gig of memory. After I closed every non vital app, JOSM never crashed again. Well, my workaround it's not nice, but it works (at least for me). Bye, Michi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
