[josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Maarten Deen
My apologies for ranting, but please do not change shortcuts that were in use for I-know-not-how long. I just downloaded rev 5181 and found that the d key did not work. Someone decided that it should be the delete key. I can understand the reasoning. But do not decide for the whole community

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: In principle, it is not a good idea to change long established customs. This has been decided a looong time ago due to a russian forum complain: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2012-February/006033.html Our

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: My apologies for ranting, but please do not change shortcuts that were in use for I-know-not-how long. I just downloaded rev 5181 and found that the d key did not work. Someone decided that it should be the delete key. It is the delete key for

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/4/30 colliar colliar4e...@aol.com: On 30/04/12 16:54, Maarten Deen wrote: Pieren wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: The whole short cut system changed and improved. In this process some short cuts changed, but should not change in the near future.

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: To continue my rant: N used to be the method to place one node only. That seems to have disappeared too. It looks like I now have to start drawing a way with A and then press escape to end drawing the way so I can change its properties. 'N' was

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 30-4-2012 18:46, Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: To continue my rant: N used to be the method to place one node only. That seems to have disappeared too. It looks like I now have to start drawing a way with A and then press escape to end drawing the way so I can

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select with just one hand, so you have to get the other hand off the mouse which really disturbs workflow. The D key

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: 'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click. N had not the same function. A starts a way, N sets a

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: 'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click. N had not the same function. A starts

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/04/2012 18:00, Dirk Stöcker wrote: The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. Absolutely - hugely better, thank you! The problem was it was right next to the S key so you ended up deleting stuff instead of selecting it. I was used to

[josm-dev] next tested version - skip stabilization?

2012-04-30 Thread Paul Hartmann
Hi, most of the commits in the last weeks have been bug fixing, so I'd suggest we skip the stabilization period and release tomorrow's version as next tested. The only recent change that could break something is [5206], but I hope it's Ok. :) Paul

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Absolutely - hugely better, thank you! The problem was it was right next to the S key so you ended up deleting stuff instead of selecting it. I don't know how small are you keyboard keys (or fat your fingers) but I