[josm-dev] Shortcuts
Hello, together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Every yellow and red entry in this table should be fixed. The additional modifiers are deprecated. Instead proper groups (including ALT1 or ALT2) must be choosen. In these cases, where groups are hard to find I made groups DIRECT, DIRECT2 and DIRECT3 available, which allow to choose any shortcut. To use the proper keys main version for plugins must be 4928, as the codes for ALT1 and ALT2 changed and DIRECT2+3 are new. Please help to fix these conflicts and deprecations. For conflicts, the core should remain and plugins be changed. Keep in mind that e.g. MNEMONICS cannot be moved (they always have ALT key). See also http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/7226 Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: Please help to fix these conflicts and deprecations. For conflicts, the core should remain and plugins be changed. As a plugin maintainer, I would like to see from the JOSM core the following points: - reserve some shortcuts for plugins 'forever'. It is unfair to allow plugins shortcuts and once users have their habits, force them to change just because core is suddenly using it. Of course, it does not solve conflicts between plugins but devs can manage that. - allow the plugin to overwrite the core shortcut with a pop-up dialog explaining the 'why' (and leaving the user to accept or refuse). This is a way to keep long-term users with their habits and show to new comers the shortcut issue e.g. with the documentation (after all, it can be redefined manually later in the prefs). Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Pieren wrote: As a plugin maintainer, I would like to see from the JOSM core the following points: - reserve some shortcuts for plugins 'forever'. It is unfair to allow plugins shortcuts and once users have their habits, force them to change just because core is suddenly using it. Of course, it does not solve conflicts between plugins but devs can manage that. No. We now have a shortcut list and we will try to prevent conflicts in the future by proper selecting new shortcuts, but when core needs a key, then plugins will be second in line and have to move. - allow the plugin to overwrite the core shortcut with a pop-up dialog explaining the 'why' (and leaving the user to accept or refuse). This is a way to keep long-term users with their habits and show to new comers the shortcut issue e.g. with the documentation (after all, it can be redefined manually later in the prefs). Also a no for me. If plugin shortcut needs to change the plugin can issue a warning, that from now on the shortcut is different and that users may change it back to their old behaviour themselves. What you want is the reverse and this means keeping old behaviour for everybody instead of moving into the future. The documentation will always reflect the newest state, so software also should try to keep newest state. You can call the shortcut preferences from such a dialog, so the user can directly access these prefs from the dialog. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: What you want is the reverse and this means keeping old behaviour for everybody instead of moving into the future. what is the benefit of moving into the future by changing shortcuts? This is fighting against peoples habits and ergo also bad for usability (of the experienced users, for new users this is not an issue, I agree). Keeping old behaviour should be the standard for interface issues, if there is not very good reason to do so. Sorry for this rant, then from someone beeing not even a code contributor, but I really suffered hard from the recent change of shortcut w (before buildings plugin, I use this VERY often, now refine way, which I never use). Anyway, I am happy to read that there will be a list for shortcuts now, so that developers can choose new shortcuts without accidentially redefining existent ones. cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/2/15 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: What you want is the reverse and this means keeping old behaviour for everybody instead of moving into the future. what is the benefit of moving into the future by changing shortcuts? This is fighting against peoples habits and ergo also bad for usability (of the experienced users, for new users this is not an issue, I agree). Keeping old behaviour should be the standard for interface issues, if there is not very good reason to do so. Sorry for When we change a shortcut, then there is a reason, e.g. a conflict. So some people need to change their behaviour, as keeping old style is out of question. So rather than get mixed setup depending on installation specific the default should be the one we document on the webpage. this rant, then from someone beeing not even a code contributor, but I really suffered hard from the recent change of shortcut w (before buildings plugin, I use this VERY often, now refine way, which I never use). You can change that as you know. We have too many shortcut conflicts and we need to unify this. And this means that some users need to accept changes. The other option would be to keep the chaos we currently have. If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and forums on docs refer to one setup and not to a user specific setup. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: If the default would be to keep everything as is, we copy all these troubles a long time into the future. So we have one break now and later on wikis and forums on docs refer to one setup and not to a user specific setup. Fixing current conflicts is one point. Saying at any time in the future, the josm core can take over existing plugins shortcuts because we find it so cute and plugins will have to accept it (1) is another one. This is a kind of arrongance and disrespect of JOSM plugins users and devs. Pieren (1) when core needs a key, then plugins will be second in line and have to move. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
Am 15.02.2012 09:24, schrieb Dirk Stöcker: Hello, together with akks I developed an automatically generated shortcut overview at http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/DevelopersGuide/ShortcutsList Thanks for your work, you two. Why do we have two shortcuts for draw action (A and N) ? Cheers Colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
