Re: A functioning Public Transport plugin
Hi all, thank you for the feedback. Furthermore, this plugin is closed-source (as far as I know), so it cannot be "fixed". The plugin is open source, see https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/tree/master/public_transport The problem is that maintaining the plugin is a lot of work. I abandoned the development long ago because public transport v2 would have meant too much work, because the scheme has inherent flaws. Any such flaw does fall on the developer multiple times, for implementation, for developing test cases for all the undefined corner cases, for a UI that explains what the software actually does. By contrast, updating to a single different set of tags for stop poles is not a substantial problem. This would mean you could immediately add all the stops in the click of a button, and sort broken relations in a click of a button. Since writing this plugin, the relation editor has superseded most of the way sorting features. Thus, it no longer makes sense to duplicate the sorting capabilities in a distinct plugin. I would nowadays add buttons to the relation editor rather than a separate relation editor. There is also an unfinished routing algorithm in the plugin. I never had found a reasonable UI to exhibit that to the end user. Best regards, Roland
Re: JOSM development in the last year
>> - 54% Windows, 37% Linux, 9% MacOS (Linux numbers are going up...) I'm surprised by the Windows/Linux ratio. I always noticed a quite stable ratio around 70% Windows, 20% Linux, 10% Mac (+/- 5% margin). Isn't just that more Linux people used JOSM during the holidays than Windows people? Such an increase looks strange otherwise. It might be Oracle's license conditions. In the corporate environment, using the Oracle JRE requires a commercial license. Installing the JRE of OpenJDK is possible and JOSM runs with it, but counter-intuitive in multiple steps. I myself have written instructions for my collegues how to install the OpenJDK. Given that Windows is in particular popular amongst companies and users with limited tech competence, that new threshold might have scared off users. Best regards, Roland
Re: josm Keyboard input stops working
Hi all, Look at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/13160 For me its dead simple to reproduce ... Still exists in current josm with openjdk 8 and 11. I am on Linux but others have reported the Problem on Windows. I had the issue both on Windows and Linux (Windows 7 64Bit, Ubuntu 14.04, and Ubuntu 16.04). It did never materialize in any reproducible way, sometimes after barely a minute, sometimes not on session over multiple hours. At the moment, everything is fine (on Windows 7 and Ubuntu 16.04). This includes the setting that you have described. Given that the JOSM core developers might face the same situation, I suggest to collect as much information as possible, in particular the Java environment, the active plugins, all their version and so on. Could you check whether the problem persists even on a JOSM without any plugins? Best regards, Roland
Re: [josm-dev] function to find nodes next to a way
Hi, I would like to be able to find nodes with certain tags next to a way, within a few meters (configurable). Please have a look at the public transport plugin, in class RoutePatternAction, at lines 1806-1819. This does exactly the desired. I agree it would bencessary to refactor the code. I'll be happy to answer questions for it. Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] route handling (was: Find bus stops along a way)
Hi, I have been looking at that and I'll have to look again as it seemed quite complicated :-) Yes, it is. Unfortunately it needs a lot of refactoring. It is even not the most efficient approach, but I simply went short of time. I did see that you only use highway=bus_stop for bus routes, but I'm slowly but surely in the process of converting all of them to public_transport=platform. That's a good idea. I think at current state of affairs it should take into account both highway=bus_stop and public_transport=platform. Feel free to update the code. I have created a Python script which does quality control on numbered node cycle and walking routes, which I'd like to extend to PT now. As a first step I'd like to do what your plugin does; detect stops and propose to add them to the route. Later on, I'd like to actually create a route relation based on stops that need to be served. (Which will, of course, need to be checked manually for correctness before it is uploaded) There is even code prepared for this in the plugin. A call to new PublicTransportAStar(Node start, Node end).shortestPath() will return a data structure that contains the shortest path found by an A*-algorithm, written as partial ways (because it may use ways only partial). What is missing here is an appropriate filter (don't route over stairs or other non-streets), which would go where the comment // Further tests whether the way is eligible. is. And the projection from off-road bus stops to starting nodes. And then to make sense of the result. In particular, the plugin has no code to split ways automatically, and JOSM won't mark partly ways AFAIK. Once again: feel free to work with the code. Given my OSM agenda, I won't work on the public_transport plugin code before the end of the year, but I will give any help to make it useful (or recycle the useful parts in a new plugin). Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Find bus stops along a way
Hi, I want to find all bus stops along a side of the road. There is a function doing this in the plugin public_transport. Feel free to copy it. Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Another 66 relations bite the dust
[1] http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2652 You can get an approximate solution: http://78.46.81.38/api/rels-extended?id=34631 This points to the OSM3S server and returns the desired relation-ids for the given relation id. It's compressed XML at the moment, but I can change that to are more appropriate format if the format is the problem. The second drawback is that the server is some hours behind the main database, but most of the relations mentioned here are days old or even older and would have been found by this API call. But still this would be a great step from deleting relations accidentally. Incidentally, the server is down this evening from 22h15 to 12h00 tomorrow because the server provider (Hetzner) is moving inside Germany. Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Where to put documentation for a plugin?
Hello everybody, where shall I put the documentation for my JOSM plugin? I've written a html file containing all the information about the public transport plugin into the svn, but it is delivered as text/plain: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/public_transport/resources/public_transport.html I suspect that this is intentional. But where is the designated place for the documentation? Where should the more info in the plugin download list point to? Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Java 1.5 versus 1.6 for plugins
Hello, I've just developed a plugin (Public Transport) for JOSM which should be as portable as possible. Now I've received a request of a Mac OS user using Java 1.5 that the plugin doesn't work. I've set property name=ant.build.javac.target value=1.5/ in http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/public_transport/build.xml and I don't use any special features of Java 1.6. So has anybody an idea why the plugin doesn't work with Java 1.5? Cheers, Roland ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
