Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Alan Mintz wrote: So, I added html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooDirect.html?; to my list of WMS servers. A couple of issues/observations: 1. Performance is similarly slow to Yahoo via webkit I don't think there is need to fix these issues, as the unification of TMS and WMS style images is going a great step due to Upliners work. The WMS-simulation will be required only for Yahoo in future and remains in the imaging stuff of josm, but hopefully reduced in significance. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Dirk, I now modified the html file to query the Bing REST api as described by RichardF and display the logo and the imagery providers on every fourth tile (about every 1024 px down and across). The only thing is that the logo is not clickable, obviously. You might wanna update just in case someone uses this (I know it's suboptimal compared to direct tile access). Copied to http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
At 2010-12-01 00:20, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dirk_St=F6cker?= wrote: On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Dirk, I now modified the html file to query the Bing REST api as described by RichardF and display the logo and the imagery providers on every fourth tile (about every 1024 px down and across). The only thing is that the logo is not clickable, obviously. You might wanna update just in case someone uses this (I know it's suboptimal compared to direct tile access). Copied to http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html So, I added html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooDirect.html?; to my list of WMS servers. A couple of issues/observations: 1. Performance is similarly slow to Yahoo via webkit I open the jump to position dialog (^G by default), paste the URL http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.086307lon=-117.477256zoom=18; and then set the zoom to 31. Now, I add a layer for Bing imagery from the WMS menu. It takes about 30 seconds for the first tile (NW corner) to appear, and the two below it appear within a second or two afterwards. Another 20 seconds or so to start and quickly finish the second column, and another 45 seconds to start and quickly finish the third column - a total of 90-120 seconds for a 1100x1000 pel view area that is offset half a tile from the boundaries in each direction, needing 3x3 tiles to cover the whole thing. This is similar in timing to Yahoo using html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooDirect.html?;, and in contrast with about 20 seconds total for USGS HRO using http://imsortho.cr.usgs.gov:80/wmsconnector/com.esri.wms.Esrimap/USGS_EDC_Ortho_California?service=WMSversion=1.1.1request=getmapwidth=500height=500format=image/pngSRS=EPSG:4326layers=Riverside-SanBernardinoCA_0.3m_Color_Mar_2008;. 2. I'm getting images of vertical and/or horizontal scrollbars at some of the tile borders at random, as seen here: https://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/20101201174201.jpg?attredirects=0 3. At random, I'm getting a red tile with black writing that says: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: OpenLayers Other tiles around it are ok. Reload Erroneous Tiles does not fix it. 4. In this area, it accepts requests down to JOSM zoom levels of 7m, which is 0.07 m/pel, and the imagery returned appears to have a native resolution of at least 0.10 m/pel. It's far better than the somewhat hazy USGS 0.3 m/pel imagery, which is now the second-best available. You can even make out things like individual tree branches, the shadow of some sort of flotation device in the swimming pool, etc. Very cool! 5. Looking at this area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.102171lon=-117.568182zoom=18 , comparison against the USGS Urban HRO April 2007 0.3m imagery is similar for construction in the area places the Bing imagery somewhat (maybe 1-3 months) later - not bad, not great. 6. There is a road centerline benchmark that appears at 34.101866, -117.569148 +/- 0.6m in the USGS 0.3m imagery, and at 34.101874, -117.569162 +/- 0.14m in the Bing imagery - ~1.6m at 305 degrees away. This seems pretty well-aligned for our purposes. I've got some high-precision benchmarking I did in the area, which I'll look at later to see what the complete story is. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
At 2010-12-01 21:01, Alan Mintz wrote: 6. There is a road centerline benchmark that appears at 34.101866, -117.569148 +/- 0.6m in the USGS 0.3m imagery, and at 34.101874, -117.569162 +/- 0.14m in the Bing imagery - ~1.6m at 305 degrees away. This seems pretty well-aligned for our purposes. I've got some high-precision benchmarking I did in the area, which I'll look at later to see what the complete story is. I checked against two ~1m precision benchmarks and came up with a max error of ~1.7m, but with a pattern that suggests it's more likely to be sub-meter - very good. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Hi, On 28 November 2010 13:09, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: (http://openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bing/?bbox=7,50.50,8,50.99srs=EPSG:4326width=500height=500) I have not tried Microsoft's own API, if they have one. I copied it to http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthDirect.html Thanks. We need to wait if this access method is allowed before making it public. Dirk, I now modified the html file to query the Bing REST api as described by RichardF and display the logo and the imagery providers on every fourth tile (about every 1024 px down and across). The only thing is that the logo is not clickable, obviously. You might wanna update just in case someone uses this (I know it's suboptimal compared to direct tile access). Best regards ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 26 November 2010 09:16, Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de wrote: On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. You can pass to slippymap an URL of a html file that fetches anythign Sorry, I wanted to say wmsplugin, not slippymap plugin. I once tried, but did not get VisualEarth working. Is VisualEarth same as the Bird's eye option in maps.bing.com? I have the bing tiles working using OpenLayers with the following url: html:http://openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bing/? (http://openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bing/?bbox=7,50.50,8,50.99srs=EPSG:4326width=500height=500) I have not tried Microsoft's own API, if they have one. Here is the relevant code for Yahoo using Openlayers: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooSat.html?bbox=7,50.50,8,50.99srs=EPSG:4326width=500height=500 (I did not get the scale-bar removed here) Cheers ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. You can pass to slippymap an URL of a html file that fetches anythign Sorry, I wanted to say wmsplugin, not slippymap plugin. I once tried, but did not get VisualEarth working. Here is the relevant code for Yahoo using Openlayers: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooSat.html?bbox=7,50.50,8,50.99srs=EPSG:4326width=500height=500 (I did not get the scale-bar removed here) The same direct with Yahoo API: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooDirect.html?bbox=7,50.50,8,50.99srs=EPSG:4326width=500height=500 I would be happy when someone can supply fixed version for Yahoo-OpenLayers and a page for Microsoft. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Hi, On 11/26/10 09:16, Dirk Stöcker wrote: I would be happy when someone can supply fixed version for Yahoo-OpenLayers and a page for Microsoft. Are you sure this technology should be used more than absolutely necessary? I mean, for Microsoft tiles we can easily use the slippymap plugin and it works - why go through the HTML page roundtrip? Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: I would be happy when someone can supply fixed version for Yahoo-OpenLayers and a page for Microsoft. Are you sure this technology should be used more than absolutely necessary? I mean, for Microsoft tiles we can easily use the slippymap plugin and it works - why go through the HTML page roundtrip? Improving WMS-plugin to have tiled layer support is another task. :-) And yes, this would be better, but till now nobody did it and the WMS-simulation is probably much easier done. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. wmsplugin fetches images from WMS in a tiled format. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Hi, On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. Ian Dees wrote: wmsplugin fetches images from WMS in a tiled format. Both correct - but people don't use the Slippymap or WMS plugins because they want to display tiles or a WMS source - they simply want to display a certain background layer, and how we do that for them they don't care. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. Ian Dees wrote: wmsplugin fetches images from WMS in a tiled format. Both correct - but people don't use the Slippymap or WMS plugins because they want to display tiles or a WMS source - they simply want to display a certain background layer, and how we do that for them they don't care. Completely agree. What do you think the architecture for such an imagery plugin would look like? There seem to be two methods of display that need to be handled: tiled (WMS and Slippymap) and static image (ImageLayer). Could the ImageLayer plugin be made to fit a tiled-image interface without causing too much trouble? ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:27:57 -0600, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. wmsplugin fetches images from WMS in a tiled format. Slippymap supports TMS, wmsplugin doesn't, AFAICT. What wsmplugin does is a pseudo-tiling, to improve performance. But it does request several small bboxes from WMS servers. They're different technologies. Which yes, could be merged together in an imagery plugin, but keep in mind they're *different*. So you need to handle multiple cases in this yet-to-be-born plugin. My 2c, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Ian, Ian Dees wrote: There seem to be two methods of display that need to be handled: tiled (WMS and Slippymap) and static image (ImageLayer). Could the ImageLayer plugin be made to fit a tiled-image interface without causing too much trouble? I would be guessing if I said anything, really. I am the original author of both the slippy map plugin and the WMS plugin (which rested heavily on previous Landsat Plugin work) - but both are now much further advanced and I have (blissfully) lost track of the inner workings of either. (All I know is that the Yahoo stuff is still a pain, technically.) I have gone on record in the past saying that JOSM is too bloated (and I'd *still* like to have a really lean version from time to time), but as background layers go, I am really tempted to suggest that we try to hijack one of the existing Open Source GIS packages. gvSig, for example, supports most stuff you can think of - shapefiles, AutoCAD, KML, GML, GeoTIFF and other raster formats, WMS and WFS servers, direct access to spatial databases etc., and it is written in Java. I haven't looked into it really but would it not be neat to create an adapter that allowed JOSM to display gvSig datasources? Then we could have it all without additional effort. uDig is another popular Open Source GIS, also in Java. Might be one of those things that only sound good on paper though :) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 25 November 2010 04:47, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. You can pass to slippymap an URL of a html file that fetches anythign supported by OpenLayers (incl TMS), google api, bing api, yahoo api and this is a very flexible option because in the html you can trivially add an offset, warp, realign, etc. It is subptimal in terms of bandwidth and the amount of work that is needed to lead each tile. Cheers ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 25 November 2010 21:31, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2010 04:47, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. You can pass to slippymap an URL of a html file that fetches anythign Sorry, I wanted to say wmsplugin, not slippymap plugin. Cheers ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
OK - I said I'd post again with my intentions. Here is a wiki page that I hope will outline the automatic imagery adjustment mechanism I've worked out with another mapper: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/True_Offset_Process Comments are welcome. By now we're happy that we've described something worth building, and we hope to have something to show off fairly soon. Cheers, Dermot -- -- Igaühel on siin oma laul ja ma oma ei leiagi üles ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
El día Thursday 25 November 2010 20:02:39, Frederik Ramm dijo: gvSig, for example, supports most stuff you can think of - shapefiles, AutoCAD, KML, GML, GeoTIFF and other raster formats, WMS and WFS servers, direct access to spatial databases etc., and it is written in Java. I haven't looked into it really but would it not be neat to create an adapter that allowed JOSM to display gvSig datasources? Then we could have it all without additional effort. GADL/OGR is your friend. http://gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/GdalOgrInJava Best, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es una televisión ni un microondas: es una herramienta compleja. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Hi, 2010/11/26 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com: Comments are welcome. There's corrections mechanism in twms server (http://code.google.com/p/twms/source/browse/twms/correctify.py) The code is not ideal, but it works. (A half a year or so already?) We're collecting the shifts dataset out of OSM database, for now by hand. There's already a plugin irsrectify for that. Shifts are applied to each angle of the request, making sure edges will glue to on another seamlessly. There's also unused for now GetCorrections request that can transform (lon,lat) pairs to their shifted locations on the layer. Can be used for acquiring initial shifts for simple software, or complex transformations... http://play.latlon.org/corr/irs/rectify.txt makes a good overview of what data we need for the shift. Any tiled layer can be realigned using twms, including IRS, bing or Yahoo. What would be nice to have is a software for automatic collection of those shifts from users' editors. -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski OSMF BY Team xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 11/24/2010 09:31 AM, Viesturs Zariņš wrote: Paris, Syndney seems more accurate but Moscow, Tallin has similar offset. Is there a way to improve the rectification? The JOSM slippy map plugin does not have a control for moving the layer like the WMS plugin has. How do I adjust that in the WMS plugin? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/25/2010 01:23 AM, Viesturs Zariņš wrote: Otherwise we will end up with lots of data traced with incorrect offsets. You mean, like the TIGER import? *duck* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/25/2010 12:27 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Johnson baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 11/24/2010 04:44 AM, Frederick Rama wrote: For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. Well, Slippy Map supports tiles, wmsplugin doesn't. wmsplugin fetches images from WMS in a tiled format. What I mean to say is that wmsplugin doesn't do wms-c tiles, whereas slippymap always requests tiles in that fashion. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/25/2010 01:02 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I have gone on record in the past saying that JOSM is too bloated (and I'd *still* like to have a really lean version from time to time), but as background layers go, I am really tempted to suggest that we try to hijack one of the existing Open Source GIS packages. gvSig, for example, supports most stuff you can think of - shapefiles, AutoCAD, KML, GML, GeoTIFF and other raster formats, WMS and WFS servers, direct access to spatial databases etc., and it is written in Java. I haven't looked into it really but would it not be neat to create an adapter that allowed JOSM to display gvSig datasources? Then we could have it all without additional effort. Quantum GIS supports OSM, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Paul, On 11/26/10 07:54, Paul Johnson wrote: Quantum GIS supports OSM, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. The Quantum GIS editor might be suitable for the occasional fix in OSM but cannot replace a full-blown specialist editor like JOSM. Also, because QGIS is not a Java program, we cannot re-use parts of it either. Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Hi, On 11/24/2010 09:31 AM, Viesturs Zariņš wrote: Paris, Syndney seems more accurate but Moscow, Tallin has similar offset. Is there a way to improve the rectification? The JOSM slippy map plugin does not have a control for moving the layer like the WMS plugin has. I guess one could be added - the slippy map plugin could certainly benefit from some serious work (at the moment, you can only have one slippy map layer, you can't switch between different ones, plus a number of minor other shortcomings). I've been thinking that we could give JOSM a generic menu (External, Background or something) which can be used to add external layers to the display. The WMS plugin would then not create its own top-level menu but would create its entries there, and the slippy map plugin could also populate that menu with its choices. For the end-user, there's no difference in WMS and slippy map anyway, it only confuses them. However I'm not able to work on this at the moment. Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 11/23/2010 01:35 PM, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Now it's up to us to make the WMS-/Yahoo-plugin read Bing-tiles :-) http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb259689.aspx Eh, I'll be happy if I can mapproxy that. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
2010/11/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, On 11/24/2010 09:31 AM, Viesturs Zariņš wrote: Paris, Syndney seems more accurate but Moscow, Tallin has similar offset. Is there a way to improve the rectification? The JOSM slippy map plugin does not have a control for moving the layer like the WMS plugin has. I guess one could be added in case of a constant offset at given locations (and not some warping problem), it would be cool to store (and possibly collect in an OSM / JOSM-database) those locations with their offsets for corrections, so that a user wouldn't have to adjust it manually everytime. cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
On 24 nov. 2010, at 11:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: The JOSM slippy map plugin does not have a control for moving the layer like the WMS plugin has. I guess one could be added. Other plugins (like PicLayer, ImportImagePlugin) also need this feature. I think this is part of the features that should available for ALL layers, independently of their type and of the plugin developers : - fine tune position, scale and angle (requires appropriate warning and/or limitations of course) - transparency - renaming E.g. they should be handled by default by the core, not by the plugins. For specific cases only, the plugin should be able to redefine or prohibit them. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2010/11/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, On 11/24/2010 09:31 AM, Viesturs Zariņš wrote: Paris, Syndney seems more accurate but Moscow, Tallin has similar offset. Is there a way to improve the rectification? The JOSM slippy map plugin does not have a control for moving the layer like the WMS plugin has. I guess one could be added in case of a constant offset at given locations (and not some warping problem), it would be cool to store (and possibly collect in an OSM / JOSM-database) those locations with their offsets for corrections, so that a user wouldn't have to adjust it manually everytime. Presumably MS would want to just fix this, so perhaps we can simply report bugs. pgpiHhod0LXoi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
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On 24 November 2010 16:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: in case of a constant offset at given locations (and not some warping problem), it would be cool to store (and possibly collect in an OSM / JOSM-database) those locations with their offsets for corrections, so that a user wouldn't have to adjust it manually everytime. It doesn't have to be constant offset, there could just be a user-editable repository of control points for different imagery providers in case they're not calibrated so well. Shifting individual tiles according to the nearest GCPs would be good enough I think, even without deforming individual tiles (which would be better of course). Cheers ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
2010/11/24 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: in case of a constant offset at given locations (and not some warping problem), it would be cool to store (and possibly collect in an OSM / JOSM-database) those locations with their offsets for corrections, so that a user wouldn't have to adjust it manually everytime. Such a system would also be extremely helpful for other image providers. I keep moving yahoo to its right position whenever I edit something in my local area. Having JOSM store that offset locally or even remotely so others can benefit would be something to consider. -- Lennard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
+1 from me. I would say we need to set up such a system as fast as possible and integrate with JOSM and Portlatch. Otherwise we will end up with lots of data traced with incorrect offsets. I would opt for submitting bug reports with points and offsets, so that there is some review before the adjustments are implemented. Cheers, Viesturs On 2010.11.24. 17:32, Lennard wrote: 2010/11/24 Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org: in case of a constant offset at given locations (and not some warping problem), it would be cool to store (and possibly collect in an OSM / JOSM-database) those locations with their offsets for corrections, so that a user wouldn't have to adjust it manually everytime. Such a system would also be extremely helpful for other image providers. I keep moving yahoo to its right position whenever I edit something in my local area. Having JOSM store that offset locally or even remotely so others can benefit would be something to consider. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Microsoft gains access to aerial imagery
Am 23.11.2010 20:24, schrieb Ian Dees: As of about an hour ago JOSM's slippymap plugin supports Bing aerial maps. I haven't publicized it yet because the official (technical) announcement hasn't come out yet specifying what the URL requests should look like or if we have to include attribution. That being said, the slippymap plugin at r24352 includes support. Good work! Potlatch 2 has also been updated and is waiting for Microsoft's legal details. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
