Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:43:48PM +0200, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Not saying that such a plugin doesn't make sense for certain areas in the world, but i haven't seen this by linear distance scheme in any place but the USA yet, so its probably low priority for the rest of the world, and definitely for all parts of Europe i've been to ... For what it is worth, Finland uses a somewhat similar numbering scheme in rural areas. If I remember correctly, the house number increments by one for every 10 metres from the start of the road. But, you can still have a,b,c suffixes to the house number if there are several houses sharing the same driveway to the rural road. So, I guess that the interpolation line would be helpful until someone fills in the real house numbers and driveways. Marko ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Werner Horsch werner.hor...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking in how to aid the entry of numbering to osm, and it shouldnt be very difficult. The logic should be something like this for addr interpolation... I don't think it is a good idea. As the relation is called, all addresses between start and end are just ... interpolation. They should stay as such in the database. It is the responsibility of the data consumer to speculate on the right position for all intermediate numbers in the street, not a script working into the database. If contributors are not satisfied by the interpolation, they should reduce the size of it or put single node addresses. Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
It's a first approach, imagine those cities which do not have any house-numbers yet, we could add them quite fast. Later any memeber can remove the interpolation of any block improving the schema Just to clarify there will start and end points for every block On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Werner Horsch werner.hor...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking in how to aid the entry of numbering to osm, and it shouldnt be very difficult. The logic should be something like this for addr interpolation... I don't think it is a good idea. As the relation is called, all addresses between start and end are just ... interpolation. They should stay as such in the database. It is the responsibility of the data consumer to speculate on the right position for all intermediate numbers in the street, not a script working into the database. If contributors are not satisfied by the interpolation, they should reduce the size of it or put single node addresses. Pieren ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
On 10/25/2011 12:49 PM, Werner Horsch wrote: It's a first approach, imagine those cities which do not have any house-numbers yet, we could add them quite fast. Later any memeber can remove the interpolation of any block improving the schema Just to clarify there will start and end points for every block This sounds much like the existing address interpolation plugin, with the option Convert Way to individual house numbers checked. For best accuracy, an address interpolation way would need to be created for every block, then converted to house numbers. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
Pieren writes: I don't think it is a good idea. As the relation is called, all addresses between start and end are just ... interpolation. We've had this discussion before. Here in my part of the USA, street addresses were renumbered for the convenience of the fire, police, and rescue squads. Cuz, well, everybody wants them to be able to find your house. They were renumbered according to the linear distance down your road. So ... if you know an address at the beginning of the road, and at the end of the road, you know the addresses of all the houses using linear interpolation. If you doubt me, feel free to test this theory on Pleasant Valley Road, Potsdam NY. I've entered addresses by hand AND added addresses via an import of cadastral data. Those line up very well, and I predict that if you try linearly interpolating, you'll get the same results. But don't trust my prediction ... try it for yourself. If I'm wrong, then you can prove it to me! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
On 10/25/2011 11:05 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: They were renumbered according to the linear distance down your road. which implies that the road itself is linear and does not have any 2nd row buildings with 20a,20b,20c numbers ... all of which applies to the road i used to be living at a few years ago: http://bielepedia.de/util/karte.php?street=Nobelstra%C3%9Fe (and don't get me started on Berlin with its duplicate street names, they are only unique per town district there, or the small towns or old town centers where houses are numbered by size or order of construction or by the order in which they signed fire insurance contracts ...) Not saying that such a plugin doesn't make sense for certain areas in the world, but i haven't seen this by linear distance scheme in any place but the USA yet, so its probably low priority for the rest of the world, and definitely for all parts of Europe i've been to ... -- hartmut ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Plugin for Karlsruhe schema
I was thinking in how to aid the entry of numbering to osm, and it shouldnt be very difficult. The logic should be something like this for addr interpolation 1) Set the first node with a number, select the associated street 2) Enter the step numbers to jump form one square to the next (every street intersection) e.g 100. first square 1 - 100, 2nd 200, 3d 300, etc 3) calculate distance from the first addr-node to the first intersection node 4) start adding nodes keeping this distance to the next intersection on both sides of the street 5) add the way with interpolation 6) keep doing the same until the street ends 7) repeat the same for the other side of the street I was going to code this for an offline tool, but I realized the drawbacks of not seeing what the tool is doing with several exceptions that may appear like -a crossing street is missing -the next crossing is a service way (eg entrance to ...) -the street crosses a huge place with no numbers (Av. 9 de Julio, Buenos Aires) -etc So the only way to be aware of such cases is to see what the tool does on execution time, that for a plugin is the right solution. My problem is that I have never written one. Can someone give me some hints on this, pointing to an easy to read plugin to take it as example or perhaps there is some guide/tutorial on this or someone with more plugin experience wants to be a coding partner on this project Any clues are welcome ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
