Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-30 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 09:21:33AM -0800, Martin Davis wrote:
> Not sure I follow.  The files have been updated to indicate the licenses.
> What do you think they should say?

What they say now is ok, about copyright ownership:

 * Copyright (C) 2016 Vivid Solutions

About applied license there's the AND issue (this is about the
single file, not the whole project, so either one or another
license is likely to apply):

 * All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
 * are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
 * (http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html), and the Vivid Solutions BSD
 * License v1.0 (found at the root of the repository).

Then, the LICENSE* files on the root should just contain the license,
with eventual copyright ownership of the license itself, but not copyright
ownership of the code it applies to.

LICENSE_VSI_BSD3.txt is weird in thi reguard because it starts with
"Copyright (c) 2016, Vivid Solutions Inc." which would likely mean
"Vivid Solutions" has copyright over the BSD3 license text, which is
unlikely. Same with LICENSE_MDAVIS_BSD3.txt. I think it should just
be LICENSE_BSD3, and "Vivid Solutions Inc." and "Martin Davis" should
only be in each of the source files.

Eventually, for an overview, a COPYING file could express the
licensing layout of the whole codebase mentioning roughly which
parts are under which license and owned by whom.

Does it sound ?

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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-30 Thread Jody Garnett 
Hey Sandro -

I am checking against the uDig project - here is an example CswCatalog.java

that
is similar to the one you provided. My understanding is the file is being
distributed under the EPL and BSD license (and the person who uses the
software gets to choose which one they use).

The uDig project has not graduated from incubation yet so it may not be the
best example (although I did lots of research when changing license). Do
you have another example we could look at?

I think there was a distinct "vivid solutions" BSD license - and although
there are two files only one of them is titled "Vivid Solutions BSD License
v1.0".

Great to talk this through - we so need to recruit you to help mentor
projects in incubation.

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On 29 January 2016 at 10:50, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:03:33PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > The dual license amounts to BSD so we can work with everyone, and EPL if
> > you are concerned about patents.
> >
> > When using the code you can choose which of the two licenses your
> > organization finds appropriate.
>
> The comment on top of some files do not clearly state this.
> From DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java [1]:
>
>   All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
>   are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
>   (http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html), and the Vivid Solutions BSD
>   License v1.0 (found at the root of the repository).
>
> So it says EPL _and_ BSD, rather than EPL _or_ BSD.
> Also, it is not clear which BSD license is being used as the root has
> two different LICENSE*BSD.txt files [2]
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/dr-jts/jts/blob/master/modules/core/src/main/java/org/locationtech/jts/algorithm/distance/DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java#L8-L11
> [2] https://github.com/dr-jts/jts
>
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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-29 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:03:33PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
> The dual license amounts to BSD so we can work with everyone, and EPL if
> you are concerned about patents.
> 
> When using the code you can choose which of the two licenses your
> organization finds appropriate.

The comment on top of some files do not clearly state this.
>From DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java [1]:

  All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
  are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
  (http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html), and the Vivid Solutions BSD
  License v1.0 (found at the root of the repository).

So it says EPL _and_ BSD, rather than EPL _or_ BSD.
Also, it is not clear which BSD license is being used as the root has
two different LICENSE*BSD.txt files [2]

[1] 
https://github.com/dr-jts/jts/blob/master/modules/core/src/main/java/org/locationtech/jts/algorithm/distance/DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java#L8-L11
[2] https://github.com/dr-jts/jts

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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-29 Thread Martin Davis 
The two BSD licenses are the same BSD3 license - they are just there
because there are two copyrights on different files.  I don't think this
affects any licensing questions.

The issue of AND vs OR does seem like it needs clarification, at least on
this list.  Is it possible that in legalese AND actually implies OR?
Somehow I don't think law works under strict Boolean logic.  @jody, any
comments?

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:03:33PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > The dual license amounts to BSD so we can work with everyone, and EPL if
> > you are concerned about patents.
> >
> > When using the code you can choose which of the two licenses your
> > organization finds appropriate.
>
> The comment on top of some files do not clearly state this.
> >From DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java [1]:
>
>   All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
>   are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
>   (http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html), and the Vivid Solutions BSD
>   License v1.0 (found at the root of the repository).
>
> So it says EPL _and_ BSD, rather than EPL _or_ BSD.
> Also, it is not clear which BSD license is being used as the root has
> two different LICENSE*BSD.txt files [2]
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/dr-jts/jts/blob/master/modules/core/src/main/java/org/locationtech/jts/algorithm/distance/DiscreteHausdorffDistance.java#L8-L11
> [2] https://github.com/dr-jts/jts
>
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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-29 Thread Martin Davis 
@Felix: only forthcoming releases.



On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Felix Obermaier  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> does this license change apply to the forthcoming JTS releases or does it
> apply to all released versions of JTS as well?
>
> Felix Obermaier
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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-29 Thread Martin Davis 
Not sure I follow.  The files have been updated to indicate the licenses.
What do you think they should say?

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 08:49:51AM -0800, Martin Davis wrote:
> > The two BSD licenses are the same BSD3 license - they are just there
> > because there are two copyrights on different files.  I don't think this
> > affects any licensing questions.
>
> I think copyright ownership (and applied license) should be advertised
> in each file, while the external file should be referenced by the each
> source file for further details.
>
> --strk;
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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-29 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 08:49:51AM -0800, Martin Davis wrote:
> The two BSD licenses are the same BSD3 license - they are just there
> because there are two copyrights on different files.  I don't think this
> affects any licensing questions.

I think copyright ownership (and applied license) should be advertised
in each file, while the external file should be referenced by the each
source file for further details.

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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-28 Thread Jody Garnett 
BSD is compatible (can be used by) anything.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:19 AM Erwan Bocher 
wrote:

> Dear Martin,
>
> Is this license compatible with GPL 3 ?
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
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>
> 
>
> 2016-01-28 6:17 GMT+01:00 david.w.smi...@gmail.com <
> david.w.smi...@gmail.com>:
>
>> It's great to see JTS reach this milestone Martin.  Thanks for your
>> efforts, and for the help of the others at LocationTech that assisted.
>> ~ David
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:13 AM Martin Davis  wrote:
>>
>>> I just spent a productive few days in a code sprint with a great crew of
>>> LocationTech devs.  A key objective was to get the JTS codebase buffed up
>>> for submission to its LocationTech project [1].  Check out the
>>> work-in-progress on GitHub [2].
>>>
>>> In particular, note that the license has now changed to BSD + EPL.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.locationtech.org/projects/technology.jts
>>>
>>> [2]  https://github.com/dr-jts/jts
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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-28 Thread Jody Garnett 
The dual license amounts to BSD so we can work with everyone, and EPL if
you are concerned about patents.

When using the code you can choose which of the two licenses your
organization finds appropriate.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:58 AM Jody Garnett  wrote:

> BSD is compatible (can be used by) anything.
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:19 AM Erwan Bocher 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Martin,
>>
>> Is this license compatible with GPL 3 ?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> -
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>> Laboratoire Lab-STICC – CNRS UMR 6285
>> Equipe DECIDE
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>> Institut Universitaire de Technologie de Vannes
>> 8, Rue Montaigne - BP 561 56017 Vannes Cedex
>> T: +33 2 97 62 64 92
>> W: https://cv.archives-ouvertes.fr/erwan-bocher
>> W: http://www.univ-ubs.fr 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 2016-01-28 6:17 GMT+01:00 david.w.smi...@gmail.com <
>> david.w.smi...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> It's great to see JTS reach this milestone Martin.  Thanks for your
>>> efforts, and for the help of the others at LocationTech that assisted.
>>> ~ David
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:13 AM Martin Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just spent a productive few days in a code sprint with a great crew
 of LocationTech devs.  A key objective was to get the JTS codebase buffed
 up for submission to its LocationTech project [1].  Check out the
 work-in-progress on GitHub [2].

 In particular, note that the license has now changed to BSD + EPL.

 [1] https://www.locationtech.org/projects/technology.jts

 [2]  https://github.com/dr-jts/jts

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Re: [Jts-topo-suite-user] A major step along the road to LocationTech

2016-01-28 Thread Andrea Ross 

Dear Everyone,

On behalf of LocationTech & it's parent the Eclipse Foundation, just 
confirming what Jody has written.


The re-licensing & move to git is a really great thing. Thanks again to 
Martin, Jody, Jim, Rob, and others who made it happen over the last few 
days.


Also, I am especially thrilled to see 3 new committers added to the JTS 
project. Congratulations to all.


The Foundation's legal team will be formally reviewing the code & 
working with Martin & the team to be able to give it a clean bill of 
health soon.


Cheers!

Andrea

On 28/01/16 12:03, Jody Garnett wrote:
The dual license amounts to BSD so we can work with everyone, and EPL 
if you are concerned about patents.


When using the code you can choose which of the two licenses your 
organization finds appropriate.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:58 AM Jody Garnett > wrote:


BSD is compatible (can be used by) anything.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:19 AM Erwan Bocher
> wrote:

Dear Martin,

Is this license compatible with GPL 3 ?

Best regards



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2016-01-28 6:17 GMT+01:00 david.w.smi...@gmail.com
 >:

It's great to see JTS reach this milestone Martin.  Thanks
for your efforts, and for the help of the others at
LocationTech that assisted.
~ David

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:13 AM Martin Davis
> wrote:

I just spent a productive few days in a code sprint
with a great crew of LocationTech devs.  A key
objective was to get the JTS codebase buffed up for
submission to its LocationTech project [1].  Check out
the work-in-progress on GitHub [2].

In particular, note that the license has now changed
to BSD + EPL.

[1] https://www.locationtech.org/projects/technology.jts

[2] https://github.com/dr-jts/jts

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