Fwd: [jug-discussion] timely find

2004-03-05 Thread Erik Hatcher
did i send this from the right address to make it through? retrying Begin forwarded message: From: Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 5, 2004 5:12:53 AM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] timely find On Mar 4, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Drew Davidson wrote: NIH. I've

Re: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Warner Onstine
Check out the Wafer project: http://www.waferproject.org/index.html They have a baseline application (a blog) that is written in just about every conceivable framework out there. Most by the primary framework author themselves. -warner On Mar 5, 2004, at 8:15 AM, Robert Zeigler wrote: Not to

Re: Fwd: [jug-discussion] timely find

2004-03-05 Thread Drew Davidson
Erik Hatcher wrote: On Mar 4, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Drew Davidson wrote: NIH. I've found the Jakarta people to be the most snobbish, political bunch around. They have a technocracy that pays lip service to Open Source but they only want *their* open source. I was semi-joking with Howard Lewis

Re: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Drew Davidson
Robert Zeigler wrote: Not to start a flamewar here... But, several of the recent posts have mentioned various frameworks (primarily struts and tapestry). There are a lot of webapp frameworks out there, and I'm curious to know people's thoughts on the pros and cons of them all. Ok, maybe not

Re: [jug-discussion] timely find

2004-03-05 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Mar 5, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Drew Davidson wrote: I should have said most of the Jakarta people. Tapestry was not originally a Jakarta project and the people involved in it did not bring those biases with them. Of course I exclude you from my criticism (sorry if you took offense); No offense

Re: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Robert Zeigler
Richard Hightower wrote: AppFuse is similar to Turbine, but it is Struts/Spring based, plus it has a lot of additional Struts centric project (like display tag, Erik's label tag that integrates with Validator framework, and such). I used AppFuse on my last two projects with great success. If you

[jug-discussion] New Site!

2004-03-05 Thread Warner Onstine
Hi all, I would just like to point out that we have a new Site design! Courtesy of none other than Tim Colson. Visit the revamped CSS-only layout at: http://www.tucson-jug.org Thanks Timo! Much appreciated. -warner - To

RE: [jug-discussion] March Presentation Change

2004-03-05 Thread Simon Ritchie
I forgot to mention that Rob Gingell will also be bringing a box of giveaways. Simon. If it helps increase attendance, I received a box of about 20 T-shirts from our giveaway closet this morning, so there'll be giveaways of some sort at the meeting. Wasn't sure I was going to get anything but

Re: [jug-discussion] New Site!

2004-03-05 Thread Drew Davidson
Warner Onstine wrote: I would just like to point out that we have a new Site design! Courtesy of none other than Tim Colson. Visit the revamped CSS-only layout at: http://www.tucson-jug.org Timo, great work. It's very classy! - Drew -- +-+ Drew Davidson |

RE: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Thomas Hicks
I thought you used Spring on your last two projects? Does AppFuse fit into the Spring meta-framework? -tom At 09:50 AM 3/5/2004, you wrote: AppFuse is similar to Turbine, but it is Struts/Spring based, plus it has a lot of additional Struts centric project (like display tag, Erik's label

Re: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Robert Zeigler
Erik Hatcher wrote: Robert, I'll keep this relatively brief, and hopefully pragmatic. No one web framework is *the* one for all situations. The size of your project needs to be taken into consideration as well as the talent of your team and what kind of flexibility the end users demand. If

RE: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Tim Colson
Robert wrote: suffice it to say that I'm not convinced that [Struts is] the framework for me... at least not for this project. It's kind of funny to me. Two years ago at JavaOne, Craig McClanahan and Struts seemed to be the talk of the show. I'm in the minority, but I'm not a fan of JSP. So our

Re: [jug-discussion] Webapp frameworks

2004-03-05 Thread Robert Zeigler
Tim Colson wrote: Robert wrote: suffice it to say that I'm not convinced that [Struts is] the framework for me... at least not for this project. It's kind of funny to me. Two years ago at JavaOne, Craig McClanahan and Struts seemed to be the talk of the show. I'm in the minority, but I'm