Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Chad Woolley
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? It's pretty similar in Groovy: groovy [].class.methods*.name.toList() === [get, add, add, indexOf, clone, clear, lastIndexOf, contains, addAll, OK, that seems to work. Can't say that would have been my first guess

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Chad Woolley
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To partially answer your original question: I use Groovy because it is built on top of a mature and immense language platform, so I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time I sit down to code. How does JRuby not meet

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Bashar Abdul
-discussion] Groovy and JRuby On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To partially answer your original question: I use Groovy because it is built on top of a mature and immense language platform, so I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time I sit down to code. How

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Thomas Hicks
At 12:17 AM 6/8/2008, you wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To partially answer your original question: I use Groovy because it is built on top of a mature and immense language platform, so I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time I sit down to

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Kit Plummer
Hmmn. Like Chad I've waited a bit for this topic to get beat down before replying. I'm really neither a Java or Ruby developer - just a code integrator or API implementor depending on your perspective. That said I will take the environment that is the easiest to get in bed with.

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-08 Thread Chad Woolley
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that has turned me off from Ruby in the past is the fanatical and proselytizing behavior of the community members. Instead of just setting up strawmen and snidely knocking them down, why don't you put down the

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-07 Thread Chad Woolley
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William H. Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I've mentioned before, I liked Groovy from a distance but I found it to be frustrating to use. My experience with Ruby was the opposite -- blah at first, but I quickly came to love it. Thanks William. I was

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby

2008-06-07 Thread Thomas Hicks
At 09:42 PM 6/7/2008, Chad wrote: The challenge is show me all the operations you can perform on an Array. Here's how you do it in (J)Ruby: chadmac:~ woolley$ jruby --command irb irb [].class = Array irb [].methods = [frozen?, sort, ...] irb [].methods.sort = [, *, +, -, , =, ==, ===, =~,

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-06 Thread Bashar Abdul
- Original Message From: Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 4:36:52 PM Subject: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting) On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Lenards [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-06 Thread Andrew Lenards
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Todd Ellermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your (collective) reasons for being more interested in Groovy than JRuby? Just interested... The ruby switch hasn't clicked for me yet. I feel the same way about ruby as I do smalltalk, I know they're both

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-06 Thread William H. Mitchell
I vote for the JRuby DSLs presentation. I attended a couple of Brian's Hibernate presentations at NFJS last summer. He's an excellent speaker, BTW. As I've mentioned before, I liked Groovy from a distance but I found it to be frustrating to use. My experience with Ruby was the opposite --

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-06 Thread Andrew Lenards
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:14 PM, William H. Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re getting together for a group discount for NFJS in Phoenix, count me in. I'm about, say, 70% committed to going this year. I really enjoyed it last year, so if we could get the price down from the early-bird

Re: [jug-discussion] Groovy and JRuby (was Re: [jug-discussion] next month's meeting)

2008-06-05 Thread Thomas Hicks
At 04:36 PM 6/5/2008, you wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Lenards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Groovy please. What are your (collective) reasons for being more interested in Groovy than JRuby? Haven't we had this discussion before? Just interested... rabble-rouser. :)