Re: [jug-discussion] interesting thoughts - publish to website?

2002-10-29 Thread Warner Onstine
Hi Tim,
In short all of these would be good to put on the site. Currently I'm 
hosting it on my personal server (a g3 laptop running OS X). I prefer 
java solutions (I don't like downloading tons of perl files just run 
one program, but that's probably just my aversion to perl ;-).

I am currently working on an integrated community tools project 
(http://communitytools.warneronstine.com/), which will be using WebOGNL 
as its app-dev. I currently don't have a problem with installing 
something like pMachine (php-based blog, simple, easy to install and 
administrate) temporarily.

If there's something else that is easy to install and setup then I have 
no problem with it.

-warner

On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 11:01 AM, Tim Colson wrote:

Warner -
  Interesting links to browse... I like this kind of information that's
already been filtered by a fellow techie. ;-)

  I think a web-based location where this kind of link+synopsis could 
be
captured would be a great addition to the TJUG website.

  Has anyone in TJUG meetings discussed anything like this? For 
example,
installing something like the following onto the tucson-jug.org 
website?

Moveable Type (http://www.movabletype.org/) - multi-user publishing web
log thingy
Roller Weblogger (http://www.rollerweblogger.org/) - single-user(?) web
log thingy
Twiki (http://twiki.org/) - multi-user publishing system

If this is of interest to other folks, and the group decides to do this
or just try it out, I'll gladly volunteer to help with installation.

Cheers,
Tim









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Re: [jug-discussion] interesting thoughts - publish to website?

2002-10-29 Thread Warner Onstine

On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 12:41 PM, Tim Colson wrote:


Warner et. al. -

Ever get the feeling you're having a discussion in an empty auditorium?
grin


It happens, but I'm sure once they get un-busy they will join in ;-)




Too many languages, not enough time. Currently I would like to learn
Python and Perl (in that order ;-).

I've always thought I wanted to branch out to Python... but I seem to
fall back to Perl when Java doesn't fit the need.


Currently a lot of discussion about Twiki going on on the
osafoundation lists, I'll keep you posted.

WIKI's are interesting beasts... but the chaos personally makes me a
little dizzy. I'm not a fan of every third word being a MixedType link.


Apparently most of them no longer require that ugly beast, uggh.




Besides that [Roller] is JDK 1.4 only and a final release

I didn't notice that req't, so I agree - not something for the OSX box
as yet.


MoveableType looks multi-author aware...

 From what I can tell yes. Several people whom I trust are using it.


I had a look at pMachine and it is extremely interesting. And this from
a guy who isn't a fan of PHP (At one point, I was pulled in on an
emergency vendor project once that involved me re-writing some of their
spaghetti PHP code. Left me slightly bitter. ;-)


I understand, looked at a lot of messy PHP code myself. But that was 
one of the web languages I started out in and it's stuck. Whenever I 
want something quick (and sometimes dirty) I go with PHP.

I've got pMachine 2.1 setup locally and am liking it so far, just 
getting used to blogging in general.

-warner


Gushing MacNET article on pMachine (which they use):
http://macnet2.com/more.php?id=104_0_1_0_M

If possible, I'll try pMachine out too before the meeting.

Cheers,
Tim


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RE: [jug-discussion] interesting thoughts - publish to website?

2002-10-29 Thread Rick Hightower
Once you learn Python... why on gods green earth would you want to suffer
through Perl.

just kidding  (Good thing Ron Tapia does not subscribe to this list)

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On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 11:45 AM, Tim Colson wrote:

 In short all of these would be good to put on the site.
 :-) I don't believe I've ever gotten positive feedback so quickly.
 grin

 Currently I'm hosting it on my personal server (a g3 laptop running OS
 X).
 I prefer java solutions (I don't like downloading tons of perl files
 just run one program, but that's probably just my aversion to perl
 ;-).

 Heh heh... I'm a java guy these days too of course, but I was a Perl
 hack for a long long time. I even have OO Perl scripts, it's not such a
 bad tool to have around. :-)

Too many languages, not enough time. Currently I would like to learn
Python and Perl (in that order ;-).


 If there's something else that is easy to install and setup
 then I have no problem with it.
 Twiki took about 10 minutes to install on my linux box, but a few hours
 on Solaris. Dunno about OSX as I don't have access to a box with it. I
 haven't tried MoveableType or RollerWeblogger yet, so I can't comment.

Currently a lot of discussion about Twiki going on on the osafoundation
lists, I'll keep you posted.


 Roller is a Tomcat/servlet/MySQL/Velocity based app... but it appears
 to
 be geared toward a single author pub system - not multi-user. :-(

Besides that it is JDK 1.4 only and a final release for that hasn't
happened on OS X. I don't want to install it on the server (for fear of
causing unforseen problems with my other apps running there).


 I think the multi-user need is probably a deal-breaker.

I agree.


 MoveableType looks multi-author aware... so I'll try installing that on
 the linux box in the next week or so, and I can give an update and
 discuss a bit more in person at the Nov meeting.

 From what I can tell yes. Several people whom I trust are using it.

-warner


 Cheers,
 Timo



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