As one of the certifiable experts, Erik is dead on target. I would
only add that human nature is to use the tools one knows best and if
they know more than one tool, to use the best tool they know about. If
A Company hires Erik they do so for a number of reasons, most of which
is the perception
Could you elaborate more one item number 3?
In addition, how is scalability with regards to spring? Does it scale as well
as EJB? If not, at what point do you see EJB surpass Spring?
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Warner Onstine wrote:
Contrary to popular belief we don't all do Web development (I do,
Spring (and other IoC containers like Hivemind) use POJOs (Plain Old
Java Objects) as their beans. So, in theory you can code to an
interface and swap out one bean with another, as long as they implement
the same interface. Where this breaks down in practice is when you
start using things like
Tuesday should be a lively discussion. I am sharpening my tongue. :o)
I respect Randy, but I find Randy's fears unfounded, and his question
indicate a lack of knowing what Spring is and what it is not. Spring does
not replace J2EE.
There is more risk to sticking with existing J2EE technology
Richard Hightower wrote:
Tuesday should be a lively discussion. I am sharpening my tongue. :o)
On that note... will you be presenting your spring pres. to us?
Or am I still presenting NIO? =)
(Again... I'm perfectly happy presenting; I'm perfectly happy not
presenting. Just so long as I know
I apologize for being a little rough.
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From: Richard Hightower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:54 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: [jug-discussion] Spring FUD is unfounded RE: [jug-discussion]
JDJ: Featured article on
Depends on which ASU campus as to which city its in ;) However, like the LA
basin, almost anywhere in metro phoenix is close enough. Do you have
details? Where, when, is it free, etc. :) I think there are several of us up
here that may want to attend.
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Richard Hightower
Did you get your flu shot?
Michael Oliver
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From: Richard Hightower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January
Hey Gang -
Let's just make it official, shall
we?
http://www.tucson-jug.org - I listed
Richard as a "special guest"... but howabout we get him to do Spring this month
and Robert could do NIO in February?
Warner is the scheduler -- I'm just the lackey who puts
things up on the website.
;-) You must be sick, being so sensitive, so I just wondered if you got
a flu shot.
Michael Oliver
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From: Richard
On Jan 10, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
Regarding Erik's opinions: As far as Spring vs. HiveMind, Pico
container,
Avalon, etc.
HiveMind is nascent and not nearly as mature.
Quite true, however it is mature in that it has evolved from Howard's
mulling over the Tapestry
Nah just tired!
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From: Michael Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:55 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Spring FUD is unfounded RE:
[jug-discussion] JDJ: Featured article on Spring
;-) You must be
The only problem is that I already have someone else scheduled for
February (and March) so they would need to agree to it as well.
I will check with them and see.
-warner
On Jan 10, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Tim Colson wrote:
Hey Gang -
Let's just make it official, shall we?
Warner,
I have no problem with being pushed back past March. Actually, that
would work better for me.
April, May, or June are all better for me than Feb. or March. So... =)
Robert
Warner Onstine wrote:
The only problem is that I already have someone else scheduled for
February (and March) so
RE: It lives on in the various ways it has spun off:
http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html So its underpinnings are still quite
viable.
Good luck pitching a project with such a ringing recommendation as it live
on in many forms...
It would be quite hard to convince a decision maker of such a
This is my impression of Avalon and Fortress. I would be hard pressed to
back it up in fact at this point in time.
Take it with a grain of salt.
(last comment for me I am having too much fun. I gotta get back to
work! This time for real. I am working from home. )
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Yes. I agree.
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From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:45 PM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: [jug-discussion] Simplicity
On Jan 10, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
I first learned about IoC from the
On Jan 10, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
As always, I am in violent agreement with you. :o)
Erik and I have been in violent agreement since 2001.
I love ya man:
http://www.lucenebook.com/search?query=hightower+lesiecki
(I had to put lesiecki in there to get my highlighter to
Amen!
Michael Oliver
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Las Vegas, NV 89115
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From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:45 AM
To:
Which is exactly why both of you should dig Spring as it goal in life is to
simplify J2EE development!!
Mike you can still catch the AM flight and be in Tucson tomorrow for my
talk.
Erik you will need to catch the red eye tonight.
Are flights from Vegas cheap
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Oh yea cheap, $39 last time I checked but I am attending a Knowledge
Management Conference here and meeting with some of my old buds, so I
will have to pass.
Michael Oliver
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Alarius Systems LLC
3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1
Las Vegas, NV 89115
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No worries
-Original Message-
From: Michael Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:33 PM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Simplicity
Oh yea cheap, $39 last time I checked but I am attending a Knowledge
Management Conference
This is just with bare bones JVM setting running inside of Eclipse.
I am calling a simple method that I decorate with AOP.
The overhead for AOP seems to be about 0.00048 milliseconds on my box or
0.0048 seconds.
If I use dynamic AOP support the overhead jumps all the way to 0.00059
On Jan 10, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Drew Davidson wrote:
creamy OGNL goodness
I love OGNL, but the thought of it being creamy has lessened it
somewhat.
Given that it is all of that, I think this is where some of the risk
comes in. It may be too big for some situation. If you only need
IoC, it's a
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