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[jug-discussion] storing blobs on file system or in db
I'm writing this web app that allows users to upload documents, such as word docs, images, etc, and then to download those documents again on request. the documents are not searched, interpretted, processed, version controlled, or anything else. just upload and download. i wonder if there's a general rule on whether one should stick such things into a db or onto the file system. i currently favor sticking them in the db. putting them on the fs seems to interfere with clustering (different files would be on different filesystems). it's also another thing to back up and generally maintain. on the other hand putting them in the db puts extra load on the db and the network. there are a bunch of other issues too. Any ideas? Thanks for any help. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] storing blobs on file system or in db
it looks like the clear consensus is file system. that's what 2 of my co-workers said before i asked here, but now i actually basically believe them. I still have my doubts though...if someone has done this the db way and actually seen real scalability problems, i'd love to hear about it. Thanks for the responses. Andrew Huntwork wrote: I'm writing this web app that allows users to upload documents, such as word docs, images, etc, and then to download those documents again on request. the documents are not searched, interpretted, processed, version controlled, or anything else. just upload and download. i wonder if there's a general rule on whether one should stick such things into a db or onto the file system. i currently favor sticking them in the db. putting them on the fs seems to interfere with clustering (different files would be on different filesystems). it's also another thing to back up and generally maintain. on the other hand putting them in the db puts extra load on the db and the network. there are a bunch of other issues too. Any ideas? Thanks for any help. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....
i'm saying, comparing communities of projects to genes is interesting and provides some insight into why the injection of (varying numbers of) new projects of varying quality into a community is necessary and useful. I explicitly do not judge the quality of any project and indicate that the quality of a project changes over time as a result of environmental changes, changes within the project, or other reasons. I also do not argue that individual projects evolve, just that groups of projects (communities) evolve by the addition of new projects and the increased or decreased popularity of existing projects. I'm also saying that, while interesting, this analogy may be BS. certainly i didn't spend more than 5 minutes analyzing it before writing my original email. feel free to tell me why it's BS. that evolution may occur inside a project or that evolution is a necessary aspect of every open source project are premises that i'll leave it to you to argue. Randolph Kahle wrote: [...] There are all kinds of problems with this analogy. It assumes that the quality of a project is unknowable at the outset so mutations are in fact random. This might actually be reasonable. Groovy apparently looked for quite a while like a good project and has recently started sucking. bcel started out looking very cool, but kind of died for a while (though it might be back again). considering the many non-technical reasons an open source project may fail, judging project quality at any point in its evolution seems tricky enough to make randomness reasonable. I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you arguing for or against an evolutionary analogy? From your description of these open-source projects (and the general context of this thread) it sounds like they are mostly ego trips. Someone thought of an idea that might be cool, didn't take the time to think deeply about the subject area, started coding, hyped the project ... I have to ask: why does an open-source project take an evolutionary path as you describe? To me that indicates the project had unclear goals, confused objectives, insufficient research and/or knowledge applied to it. Randy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....
John D. Mitchell wrote: Andrew == Andrew Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Really? You work in a place where it's *not* dictated that you use them (or, contrapositively, you e.g., can't afford e.g., good solutions)? Or do you only use them on your own pet projects but not at work? Or what? i have used alternatives to each of those projects at work. (jrun, IIS, some POS custom servlets-based framework, make, BLOAT, and others) On pet projects, well, free is good. but there are a lot of free alternatives these days, and free vs. non-free is not the subject of my post. lack of lockin was the subject of this part of my post. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] the languages that we create....
Various People said: [various things i don't care about] tomcat,apache httpd, tapestry, struts, ant, and bcel have all made my job or my hobby easier at one time or another. i'm sure other apache.org projects have made other people's work easier. i care oh so very little about whether these or other projects are evil or disfunctional. no one forces me to use any of them. on an unrelated note, ASF and other communities could be thought of in genetic terms. a project is an allele. popular projects are high frequency alleles. useless and sucky projects become extinct. mutation, i.e., letting new projects into the community, is, in this model, very important. it allows the community to adapt to a changing environment, etc, read your genetics textbook. An interesting thing about mutation is that the rate of mutation in a species is an evolved trait. different species have different mutation rates, and mutation rate affects fitness. if ASF allows too many new projects and for example codehaus has a better (lower) mutation rate, then eventually ASF might die or something. There are all kinds of problems with this analogy. It assumes that the quality of a project is unknowable at the outset so mutations are in fact random. This might actually be reasonable. Groovy apparently looked for quite a while like a good project and has recently started sucking. bcel started out looking very cool, but kind of died for a while (though it might be back again). considering the many non-technical reasons an open source project may fail, judging project quality at any point in its evolution seems tricky enough to make randomness reasonable. Another problem with my analogy might be that it's been a while since i took a genetics class and didn't exactly ace that one. And maybe this is all just BS. who knows. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] java xpcom is alive!
XPCOM is a cross-platform (X-P) implementation of COM. (Are you enlightened now?) I'm no expert on COM, but I think it's a language-neutral way of writing and accessing software modules. It's built on interfaces (expressed in idl) and reference counting. Before i make more of an idiot of myself, let me defer to http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/ The point is, mozilla exposes a lot of functionality through XPCOM-accessible objects and interfaces [*], and now that this guy has written java bindings, java developers should be able to a) consume this functionality and b) extend mozilla by writing java classes. That's the high level answer to your question. The reason I said I'd like to do a preso is to force myself to provide a low-level answer... * though less than before. it turns out that over-using COM leads to slow, bloated code that requires memory bloat, prevents compiler optimization, and plays havoc with current hardware branch predictors. But it's not all bad, as far as i know. Warner Onstine wrote: What is XPCOM again? What is it used for? (Or I guess better, what can it be used for?) -warner On Dec 2, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Huntwork wrote: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/extensions/java/xpcom/tests/ TestArray.java maybe it wouldn't be too hard to write some java code that uses mozilla's networking library (asynchronous, multithreaded, supports many protocols) (I hope that's a correct characterization), or screws around with a DOM from a web page (or the mozilla UI), or any number of other things. I'm going to play around with this and hopefully do a preso at some point, unless there is widespread disinterest... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Ant and Anthill Spawn o' the Devil
To the extent that i understand the problem here, my favorite solution is to use linux. It sounds like the problem is that undeploying an app from tomcat doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that's becuase on windows you can't delete open files. On linux, there's no problem deleting open files, so undeploy/redeploy just works. maybe i've totally missed the point though. i've never even heard of anthillpro, so that seems pretty likely. Drew Davidson wrote: Tim Colson wrote: I'm going nuts. I've been trying to get ANT to re-deploy a webapp to Tomcat 5 via AnthillPro. Works from command line, but hangs AnthillPro. A little background... I first tried the ant-tomcat tasks to simply undeploy/deploy but the Flex app (inside util.war) has problems undeploying - there is a directory filled with jars that cannot be removed. So I decided to just stop tomcat, wipe out the directory and redeploy... It all works... the build is a success... but Anthillpro hangs at the end. :-( I just don't get it. (I've tried exec with startup and startup-using-launcher... with and without spawn. It really does need spawn, otherwise it understandibly does not finish the build process. A hint: the Tomcat tasks are more trouble than they are worth. They don't work. I just run tomcat in a console window and restart it whenever I redeploy. Slower, but it's consistently correct. If you installed the Tomcat service you can use the control panel to start/stop (but I prefer the console so that I can see what's going on). Better yet use Resin (http://www.caucho.com) which is faster to start and stop. It has a control panel also (no service install, however). - Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Investigating Flex
one of my hobbies is watching what gets checked in to mozilla cvs: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=defaultmodule=SeaMonkeyAllbranch=branchtype=matchdir=file=filetype=matchwho=whotype=matchsortby=Datehours=2date=daymindate=maxdate=cvsroot=/cvsroot One interesting thing i've seen recently is this: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsquery.cgi?treeid=defaultmodule=SeaMonkeyAllbranch=branchtype=matchdir=file=filetype=matchwho=pedemontwhotype=regexpsortby=Datehours=2date=monthmindate=maxdate=cvsroot=%2Fcvsroot or maybe this is better: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/rview.cgi?cvsroot=/cvsrootdir=mozilla/extensions/java/xpcom this all looks like xpcom bindings for java, which would allow major portions of mozilla to be implemented in java and java to use lots of mozilla functionality. i couldn't find a bug describing this work, so who knows what it is for sure. could be a lot of fun though. Erik Hatcher wrote: Have you considered XUL? I'm building a prototype system currently using XUL and a Mozilla extension. Powerful stuff! Very well done architecture under the covers of Mozilla. Erik On Oct 13, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Thomas Hicks wrote: I can't speak for others but I'm just investigating some cool ways to build web-based front ends onto the database stuff I normally do. I haven't committed to anything at this point, especially given the high cost and the frugal nature of the company I work with. I must say however that, having developed a couple of Java-based GUIs in the past, Java was tedious and time-consuming compared to this system. But, that may be unfair since I haven't gotten that far into Flex yet. -tom At 03:15 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote: To those investigating Flex, I'm curious as to the reason(s) your business analyst gave you for dumping Java clients in favor of Flash. The two I hear the most are, Most PC's don't have a workable JRE and the JRE is to time expensive (10+ MB on a dial-up), and Cool effects such as motion graphics and tweening have be programmed by hand in Java, as opposed to being built in to Flash. I'm trying to get a feeling for which way the wind is blowing and how hard. Ray --- Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Timo (and anyone else investigating Flex), I recently bought a copy of the first Flex book I've seen in print: Developing Rich Clients with Macromedia Flex by Steven Webster and Alistair McLeod. I've only read a couple of chapters but it looks good so far. -tom ServerSide newsthread: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=25418 ServerSide article: http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=Flex Direct download link to Chapter 20: http://www.theserverside.com/articles/content/Flex/Flex_Chapter20.pdf Link to the authors' consulting firm, which has other interesting links to rich client development sites: http://www.iterationtwo.com/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse: find usages?
select an object, like a class, method, field, or local variable, right click on it, references-project. i just got one of my co-workers started with eclipse, and he says, Wow, it's powerful! And then it chews up all his ram and simple operations take 30 seconds or more. But i think his machine is a little hosed anyway. Tim Colson wrote: Disclaimer: I'll get this out of the way first... I use Intellij IDEA and like it. There I said it. ;-) I use it because it makes me happy, but I'm not here to bash other IDE's or debate the value of emacs versus Netbeans versus Eclipse and how it will Rule The World, or whatever else. I'm using Eclipse to work on an Eclipse plug-in (seems the logical path), so I probably will have questions for a while to help me understand how to use Eclipse. Simple as that. Okay, that said... is there a find usages feature? In other words, you click on an object, and the IDE shows you all the places that object is used, in the current class, or project. Tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your CVS issue, you might try the Filters option on Package Explorer title bar pull down menu (the little down arrow). It has a bunch of options to control the types of resources that display. I have searched my configuration and don't see anything special that I have set up to exclude the CVS files, but they do not show on my system. I think as long as the project is shared, eclipse won't show .CVS. The only time you'll see them if i'm right is if you check out a project from cvs using a cvs client other than eclipse and create an eclipse project based on those files. Tim, if that's basically how you ended up with your project, you'll probably want to right click on your project, team - sharing and enter your cvs information or something along those lines. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] classDefNotFound
the -verbose command line arg to sun's jvm shows you what jars are being loaded and what classes from each jar are loaded. the same flag to bea's jvm (distributed with redhat el 3) causes an excrutiatingly verbose log. I guess you could give that a try. Michael Oliver wrote: I know this august group can help. I am befuddled (not unusual) because I have a class that runs fine in my JUnit test within Eclipse but when I deploy it to my Tomcat application it throws a lang.classDefNotFound exception. I know that the classpath in Eclipse (that works) and the jars in that classpath need to be in the Tomcat classpath and I have gone jar by jar through those in the Eclipse classpath and the Tomcat Web-Inf/lib/ for my WebApp, yet when I try to instantiate my class it throws the exception. There are more jars in the Tomcat classpath than are in my Eclipse project classpath, but the class it cant find is javax.xml.rpc.ServiceException and that is in the j2ee.jar and I have verified it is the same in both paths. Anyone think of anything else I can try? Michael Oliver CTO Matrix Intermedia Inc. 3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1 Las Vegas, NV 89115 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(520)844-1036 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] classDefNotFound
The referenced section: The classloader that a container uses to load a servlet in a WAR must allow the developer to load any resources contained in library JARs within the WAR following normal J2SE semantics using getResource. It must not allow theWAR to override J2SE or Java servlet API classes. It is further recommended that the loader not allow servlets in theWAR access to the web containers implementation classes. It is recommended also that the application class loader be implemented so that classes and resources packaged within the WAR are loaded in preference to classes and resources residing in container-wide library JARs. So it sounds like your container is unhappy because you're trying to override servlet api classes. And it sounds like you won't get any farther by unzipping in your webapp's lib dir. i bet somewhere in common or server is the way to go, but it looks like you're already tried that to no avail. so i dunno. Michael Oliver wrote: Ok, that helped too. I tried moving the j2ee.jar that contains the javax.xml.rpc.ServiceException I need to the tomcat /common/ directories, /endorsed and /lib When in the /endorsed the j2ee.jar showed in the logs as [opened], however there was a NoClassDefFoundError for the /com/sun/jmx/mbeanserver/GetPropertyAction and Tomcat didn't start. So I moved j2ee.jar to /lib and got the same NoClassDefFoundError and Tomcat didn't start. So I moved j2ee.jar back to the Webapp /lib and restarted with my JAVA_OPTS = -verbose and AHHA! I find this in the logs: Webapp Class Loader: validateJarFile(/root/java/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.29/webapps/AJCS/WEB-INF/li b/j2ee.jar) - jar not loaded. See Servlet Spec 2.3, section 9.7.2. Offending class: javax/servlet/Servlet.class Webapp Class Loader: validateJarFile(/root/java/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.29/webapps/AJCS/WEB-INF/li b/servlet-2.3.jar) - jar not loaded. See Servlet Spec 2.3, section 9.7.2. Offending class: javax/servlet/Servlet.class I am guessing the solution would be to unpack the jar into the WEB-INF/classes/ directory so the individual classes needed can be loaded without validateJarFile. Or is there another way? Michael Oliver CTO Matrix Intermedia Inc. 3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1 Las Vegas, NV 89115 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(520)844-1036 -Original Message- From: Andrew Huntwork [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] classDefNotFound the -verbose command line arg to sun's jvm shows you what jars are being loaded and what classes from each jar are loaded. the same flag to bea's jvm (distributed with redhat el 3) causes an excrutiatingly verbose log. I guess you could give that a try. Michael Oliver wrote: I know this august group can help. I am befuddled (not unusual) because I have a class that runs fine in my JUnit test within Eclipse but when I deploy it to my Tomcat application it throws a lang.classDefNotFound exception. I know that the classpath in Eclipse (that works) and the jars in that classpath need to be in the Tomcat classpath and I have gone jar by jar through those in the Eclipse classpath and the Tomcat Web-Inf/lib/ for my WebApp, yet when I try to instantiate my class it throws the exception. There are more jars in the Tomcat classpath than are in my Eclipse project classpath, but the class it can't find is javax.xml.rpc.ServiceException and that is in the j2ee.jar and I have verified it is the same in both paths. Anyone think of anything else I can try? Michael Oliver CTO Matrix Intermedia Inc. 3325 N. Nellis Blvd, #1 Las Vegas, NV 89115 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(520)844-1036 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] WindowsXP help?
tfug.org would be very enthusiastic about solving these problems permanently, I think...but on a possibly more useful note, I think best buy and compusa will be able to fix the problem in a less drastic manner. Randolph Kahle wrote: Sorry, this is off-topic... I have a friend in Tucson who is having trouble with his WindowsXP machine. (Freezes, etc.) Any recommendations for a store/shop/consultant that could help him? Thanks -- Randy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America, Inc., before The House Subcommittee on Courts, Civil Liberties, and The Administration of Justice, August, 1982, http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] enumerated constants in Java and Oracle?
yes, 1.5 has enumerated types:
http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/releases/j2se15/
It works like this:
public enum StopLight { red, amber, green };
Tim Colson wrote:
Hey gang -
Javaworld article from 1997 talks about the good/bad of static
finals compared to enumerated constants and provides a template for the
latter. Other JW articles expand on that theme over the years.
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-1997/jw-07-enumerated_p.html
Found another ONJava article on similar topic:
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/04/23/jenum.html
I'm wondering if JDK 1.5 adds this feature? Also wondering if Oracle
has a datatype that does the same kind of thing?
Cheers,
Timo
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Association of America, Inc., before
The House Subcommittee on Courts, Civil
Liberties, and The Administration of
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Re: [jug-discussion] HttpSession question...
Not to diverge too far from the topic, but... Even with encryption you have to careful, as the WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy, part of the 802.11 spec) folks found out the hard way. I don't recall what the relevant data were, but some part of WEP involved sending some bytes and a crc-32 checksum of those bytes encrypted with some kind of stream cipher (RC-4?). The checksum was intended to allow the recipient to verify the integrity of the data. However, an attacker could modify the encrypted message so that the bytes were modified and the checksum was changed appropriately. This was only one of several attacks on WEP related to bad crypto usage. So depending on the kind of cipher you use, it is possible to make directed changes to the ciphertext without having any knowledge of the key. Therefore, it's sometimes crucial to use a cryptographically secure message authentication code, like SHA-1, before trusting your plaintext. In fact, it seems to be enough in the case we're talking about here to use only a MAC, without encryption. You just have to hash in something the client doesn't know, like a 128 bit random number, or else the client can just recompute the hash... Michael Oliver wrote: Embedding encrypted info about things like the domain, ip address, and user credentials in the cookie as well as a timeout for the cookie can make it very difficult to spoof though. Ollie On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 23:46, Nicholas Lesiecki wrote: I second Andy. BTW, It is possible to spoof someone else's session id cookie, posing a security risk. An application with serious security concerns (banking, ecommerce) would need to pay attention to this vulnerability. Nick On Feb 19, 2004, at 10:41 PM, Andrew Barton wrote: Hi Robert, Your understanding is the same as mine. But, the security question you pose is interesting. I wonder if it would be possible to change your session ID and access someone else's session. Depending on the application, this could be a security risk. I'll have to look into that... Andy On 2/19/04 8:55 PM, Robert Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, somebody proposed an interesting question to me which, though I'm pretty sure I know the answer, I've been unable to verify. So, I decided to turn here to see if someone with more wisdom than I had an answer. ;) My understanding of HttpSessions is that, unless you specifically write something to a cookie, the only thing stored on the client side is the sessionID (either via a cookie or via URL rewriting). However, if I do a session.setAttribute(someattr,someobject), that object is simply stored (typically in memory, though not necessarily) server side, available in the web application context. Correct so far? In other words, session attributes are not directly editable client side... right? I mean, this makes complete sense to me, as the client in a web app really doesn't give a hoot about foo or bar, it just wants html. However, someone made a claim to me recently that some information stored as a session attribute could be alterred directly by the user, client side, and therefore posed a security risk to a particular application. Any thoughts? Thanks for the help on this... I've looked over the javadocs, etc., and while they don't say anything to negate my viewpoint, they also don't say anything specifically to validate it. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew Barton eBlox, Inc. 520.903.2541 x102 voice 520.903.2542 fax Discover storeBlox and webBlox at the new eBlox.com! http://www.eblox.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America, Inc., before The House Subcommittee on Courts, Civil Liberties, and The Administration of Justice, August, 1982, http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Testing
My presentation is now available at http://files.huntwork.net:8000/bcel/ (it seems that files.huntwork.net/bcel/ also works for now until comcast goes back to filtering port 80.) images in BCEL.pdf have been degraded a bit and may not be legible. Drew Davidson wrote: A coworker at Scientific Technologies was very interested in the presentations given on Tuesday. He's the manager of our Quality Control people. Is there any way that the presenters could make their powerpoint presentations available in some form that he could look at? Thanks! - Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] February Meeting
i would like to do a 15 min presentation on Java Bytecode Inspection, Manipulation, and Generation Using BCEL. Simon Ritchie wrote: [...] Any volunteers for a 15 min presentation would be welcome. Simon. -- I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America, Inc., before The House Subcommittee on Courts, Civil Liberties, and The Administration of Justice, August, 1982, http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] February Meeting
i have no problem with that sequence Simon Ritchie wrote: Wow, two volunteers within 10 minutes. Ok, this sounds pretty good. What sequence is going to work best? I'm guessing: 1. Andrew - BCEL (15min) 2. Chad - Bytecode manipulation as related to Aspect (5-10min) 3. Nick - Mock Objects using Aspect (1hr) Simon. -- I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America, Inc., before The House Subcommittee on Courts, Civil Liberties, and The Administration of Justice, August, 1982, http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
