RE: [jug-discussion] Ajax, Laszlo, Flex
Another couple good Ajax links... Pretty diagrams here: http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php Dude here responds to folks who think Ajax sucks... http://www.ajaxian.com/archives/2005/03/ease_of_deploym.html (BTW - don't get me wrong, I do think ajax and gmail are good stuff... I'd like to see a lot more of that applied to the overwhelming majority of brain dead designed web apps. But I also believe that One Size Does Not Fit All...and always try to pick the best for the job at hand.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Ajax, Laszlo, Flex
> You could do the same admittedly with > Lazslo or Flex, but you're going to be outputting XML from > them anyways (in most cases). The backend can be any framework, but the paradigm is so different as to make the backend controllers not always 100% applicable. XML is probably the least efficient, at least for Flex where connections using Macromedia's proprietary wire protocol for essentially making remote procedure calls are faster and (sometimes) easier. RE: comparing the three... some comparisons/contrasts could be explored without writing code. For example -- since both Flex and Lazlos run in the "FlashVM", they gain the ability to work in any browser, on any platform, with identical functionality. They both gain a bucket of re-usable widgets. Ajax does not seem, to me, like the actual 3rd category -- technically, AJAX describes a communication via XML over an inline HTTP call via javascript. In the more colloquial sense -- Ajax is starting to mean "like GMAIL" -- a partially dynamic webapp. (Please, no flames for the word "partially" -- just distinguishing it from a fully dynamic desktop app from a DHTML+Javascript+XMLrequest chimera.) So the comparison between the three becomes "how does the user experience compare?" and "how does the developer experience compare?" Since the group can apparently discuss which local bookstores suck less than others for a good bit -- I'm certain we could discuss both of the above for months. Here -- I'll lob one opinion into the fray, "Gmail is a HUGE step forward! But, well, HTML/DTHML was three GIANT steps backward from a typical GUI client app... so you do the accounting." ;-) Tim P.S. Oh how I miss the "Computer Literacy" bookstore in San Jose which had 99% technical books...in numbers too high for even William to count, and even included copies of books that weren't published yet (big fat stack of 8x11 paper comps of what was coming soon). ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Ajax, Laszlo, Flex
On May 19, 2005, at 6:04 AM, Steven Elliott wrote: On 5/18/05 07:24, "Warner Onstine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And I agree on the Ajax stuff, but since that can be done with any framework I'm not sure how easy/difficult it would be as a comparison. My understanding Laszlo and Flex are View Frameworks. You might even classify them with a new moniker as thin client frameworks since they provide on the client a stateful execution platform with certain client-side resources (i.e. Flash VM). In both cases the client side application is created from server side code compiliation (>SWF file format) which is then transported and exectued on the client (Flash VM). Once the application is launched on the client (Flash), client-server communication is accomplished with any one of the Macromedia technologies; XMLConnector, AMF, RTMP (alá Macromedia). AJAX (i.e. dwr and sarissa) provide a very similar view framework and client-server communication albeit at this stage in a far less defined, loosely bundled API. The main difference is that AJAX uses Javascript for its execution environment and server-client communication is provided by XMLHttpRequest. IMHO you would not use AJAX with either Laszlo or Flex Framworks but instead of either. Correct, but you could use Ajax with any other Web Framework (Tapestry, Struts, Ruby on Rails, etc.). You could do the same admittedly with Lazslo or Flex, but you're going to be outputting XML from them anyways (in most cases). -warner Steven - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
