Re: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper
On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Michael Oliver wrote: I recently had a discussion with Craig McClanahan ... LOL! The guy who took the M out of MVC :) Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper
Well I think Craig would say Struts was Model agnostic, but despite your protests Erik, he has thousands of developers building very successful applications on his mVC, a tad bit more than the number of developers building solutions on either of our inventions. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(702)974-0341 *Note new email changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 2:29 AM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Michael Oliver wrote: I recently had a discussion with Craig McClanahan ... LOL! The guy who took the M out of MVC :) Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper
I'm pretty sure you can do that with Spring :-) nick On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Michael Oliver wrote: Thanks for the article, I too have not jumped on the Spring bandwagon. I have extended the Struts RequestProcessor to use a singleton registry as a ServiceLocator for Action Classes with a lookup of the path as the key, which decouples the actions from the implementation and allows me to apply business rules as well as queue up Chain of Responsibility queues for any action, all on the fly, try that with Spring. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(702)974-0341 *Note new email changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Todd Ellermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper I rarely find myself as an advocate of Fowler's writing, but this was eye opening and much closer to what I was looking for when I read Rick's paper. http://martinfowler.com/articles/injection.html For interesting discussion, I do find myself solidly back in the camp of Spring is a fad. It works, but isn't better de facto. There are some engineering conditions under which I would consider it. For example if I were building an application for resale, ecommerce engine perhaps? As most of my applications are business applications spicifically for the company I am working for and unlikely to ever be installed a second time with a different configuration I find SPRING to be a poor trade. Move configuration from compile time checked code to runtime config files. No thanks! But what about testing?! You cry. Sadly, my test team goes by the name of customer and that is a business directive not my choice. Not sure it would be compelling regardless. Food for thought. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper
I rarely find myself as an advocate of Fowler's writing, but this was eye opening and much closer to what I was looking for when I read Rick's paper. http://martinfowler.com/articles/injection.html For interesting discussion, I do find myself solidly back in the camp of Spring is a fad. It works, but isn't better de facto. There are some engineering conditions under which I would consider it. For example if I were building an application for resale, ecommerce engine perhaps? As most of my applications are business applications spicifically for the company I am working for and unlikely to ever be installed a second time with a different configuration I find SPRING to be a poor trade. Move configuration from compile time checked code to runtime config files. No thanks! But what about testing?! You cry. Sadly, my test team goes by the name of customer and that is a business directive not my choice. Not sure it would be compelling regardless. Food for thought. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper
Thanks for the article, I too have not jumped on the Spring bandwagon. I have extended the Struts RequestProcessor to use a singleton registry as a ServiceLocator for Action Classes with a lookup of the path as the key, which decouples the actions from the implementation and allows me to apply business rules as well as queue up Chain of Responsibility queues for any action, all on the fly, try that with Spring. Michael Oliver CTO Alarius Systems LLC 6800 E. Lake Mead Blvd, #1096 Las Vegas, NV 89156 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(702)974-0341 *Note new email changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Todd Ellermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Feedback for this WhitePaper I rarely find myself as an advocate of Fowler's writing, but this was eye opening and much closer to what I was looking for when I read Rick's paper. http://martinfowler.com/articles/injection.html For interesting discussion, I do find myself solidly back in the camp of Spring is a fad. It works, but isn't better de facto. There are some engineering conditions under which I would consider it. For example if I were building an application for resale, ecommerce engine perhaps? As most of my applications are business applications spicifically for the company I am working for and unlikely to ever be installed a second time with a different configuration I find SPRING to be a poor trade. Move configuration from compile time checked code to runtime config files. No thanks! But what about testing?! You cry. Sadly, my test team goes by the name of customer and that is a business directive not my choice. Not sure it would be compelling regardless. Food for thought. -Todd Todd R. Ellermann President PHXJUG.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] 602-738-6187 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
