Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-02-07 Thread Randolph Kahle
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their service.


Everyone that I know that uses them has also been pleased.

Randy


On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:


RimuHosting got back to me.  They will waive the setup fee and give us
a 10% discount, which works out to $18/month for a linux VPS with full
root access and choice of distro, 96MB ram and 4 gig of disk:

http://rimuhosting.com/order/startorder.jsp

These guys have great support too, they are very helpful plus have a
bliki with lots of specific HOWTOs on setting stuff up:

http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/start

If anyone knows of a better deal that gives full root access, pipe up.
 Lets get this moving...

P.S. As for hosting it on SourceForge as was suggested, I'd personally
rather have it hosted on something we have control over - with a wiki,
and with subversion, and anything else we think up.


On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's been the time and coordination that has been difficult.

Ex. Hardware. Stable OS. Access to the box. Setup of Java SDK.  
Setup of


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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-31 Thread Warner Onstine


On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote:


Duffy wrote:

1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to
/etc/rc.local, or start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d
directories, and

Thanks Duffy. I know what would need to be setup for start/stop
scripts...but there are other considerations too , like starting as  
root
so it could attach to port 80. Better still of course would be to  
setup
startup scripts and mod_jk connector to Apache (I've got all the  
configs

from the corporate setup.)


Yeah, getting it setup with mod_jk would be great. We do have a  
sysadmin who setup the mysql for us, whom I trust not to screw up the  
rest of my setup if we have a list of things, but unless andy can  
donate his time again it will take some moola.





2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it
does in-memory only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk)
Yeah, the default is writing out data into the confluence_home/ 
database

dir.


Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on
that machine.
If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm
capable?) I can figure out how to init the Confluence tables
given an appropriate login.

MySQL is on the box, but I believe it's 4.0 -- which I personally had
many issues with that went away with 4.1.


Nope, it's 4.1.14.



Confluence table init is automagic -- so long as there is a datasource
setup with a uid/pass, Confluence can take it from there after a  
bit of

change to the config file.

The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and
coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for
Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-)


Thanks :-).

-warner



-Timo

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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-31 Thread Duffy Gillman



The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and
coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for
Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-)


Hey, what's wrong with blowing stuff up!? ;)

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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-31 Thread Chad Woolley
One way to mitigate this risk is to put the entire /var and /etc trees
under source control, as well as anything else people might screw up
;)

See:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/06/svn_homedir.html

and

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5976

On 1/31/06, Duffy Gillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and
  coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for
  Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-)

 Hey, what's wrong with blowing stuff up!? ;)

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RE: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-30 Thread Tim Colson \(tcolson\)
I woke up on the pessimistic side of the bed today... so I apologize if
this sounds curt... but here goes... ;-)

I obtained free non-profit licenses for Atlassian.com's Confluence,
Jira and JiveSoftware Forums...oh, about 18 months ago. It's taken this
long just to get enough time and coordination to get Confluence running.
(And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a
user-account and won't survive machine reboots.)

I think it'd be overly optimistic to think Trac will magically appear on
the tjug machine. ;-)

FYI -- Confluence integrates with Jira (issue tracker) and Jira can
integrate with SVN
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin 


Anyway -- I posted the notes I took and opened up the Confluence install
to anonymous users to view:
http://www.tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Jan+2006+Meeting+Notes


Cheers,
Tim

 -Original Message-
 From: Chad Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:54 PM
 To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
 Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
 
 Is this a wiki that it integrated with an SCM, similar to 
 Trac (http://www.edgewall.com/trac/)?  I think that would be 
 more appropriate for a small, code-centric project such as this.
 
 I looked for about 1 minute to see if Confluence appears to 
 have any SCM integration, but I didn't see it here:
 http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/features/integration.jsp
 
 I'd vote for setting up a Trac site and SVN repo dedicated to 
 this shootout activity and use subversion, if only because 
 Trac and subversion are really cool and good to know.
 
 Also, how about those meeting minutes from the last meeting?  
 There was definitely some important discussion regarding the 
 future of the group that should be shared on the list.  Can 
 we just publish them in their raw glory, or with just some 
 minimal expletive censoring?
 
 -- Chad
 
 On 1/27/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Once I get the wiki setup (sorry, should have it done this 
 weekend), 
  we can do it there.
 
  -warner
 
  On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Chad Woolley wrote:
 
   Sounds interesting.  Is there some 
 confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort 
   of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding 
   publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)?
  
   -- Chad
  
   On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I 
 really would 
   like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a 
 lot of fun.
  
   Here's what I'm thinking about:
   1) Define something with a little spice to it to 
 accomplish - say 
   connect to a db through a command-line application, 
 retrieve a set 
   of data, allow the user to select a record and return 
 just that record.
   2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, 
 python, jython, 
   beanshell, groovy, etc.)
   3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each 
   one
   4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!)
  
   We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I 
 believe) so we 
   can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and 
   plan it for a future preso. Whose interested?
  
   (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does).
  
   -warner
  
   
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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-30 Thread Chad Woolley
Sorry Confluence is hard to set up. Trac is pretty easy to set up, and
can use SQLite db (single file repo) which is really easy to set up
too.

The nice thing about trac's subversion integration is the timeline and
wikiword references to artifacts and revisions, as well as repository
browsing.  Those would be interesting and useful for a project where
you are reviewing, comparing, and commenting on other peoples code.  I
don't think Jira does that.

As far as the user-mode account that won't survive reboots, that
doesn't sound too good.  Seems like we really need to find some other
box to host our stuff rather than Warner's, where we can have full
access (or at least have sudo to manage the startup and web server).

As you duly noted in the notes, RimuHosting gives a full root access
VPN for $20/month.  I'll fire off a note to them now to see if they
will give us a deal...

-- Chad

On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I woke up on the pessimistic side of the bed today... so I apologize if
 this sounds curt... but here goes... ;-)

 I obtained free non-profit licenses for Atlassian.com's Confluence,
 Jira and JiveSoftware Forums...oh, about 18 months ago. It's taken this
 long just to get enough time and coordination to get Confluence running.
 (And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a
 user-account and won't survive machine reboots.)

 I think it'd be overly optimistic to think Trac will magically appear on
 the tjug machine. ;-)

 FYI -- Confluence integrates with Jira (issue tracker) and Jira can
 integrate with SVN
 http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin

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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-30 Thread Duffy Gillman

On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a
user-account and won't survive machine reboots.)


On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chad Woolley wrote:

As far as the user-mode account that won't survive reboots, that
doesn't sound too good.


Moving things makes sense if other resources are available, but the won't 
survive machine reboots thing can be addressed in two simple steps:


1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to /etc/rc.local, or 
start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d directories, and
2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it does in-memory 
only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk)

  http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/web/hsqlDocsFrame.html

Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on that machine. 
If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm capable?) I can 
figure out how to init the Confluence tables given an appropriate login.


-D
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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-30 Thread Duffy Gillman

... which works out to $18/month for a linux VPS with full
root access and choice of distro, 96MB ram and 4 gig of disk


That's not so bad... I won't let my preference for 'benevolently donated 
by Warner' stand in the way of anyone's pursuit of a quick turnaround and 
beaucoup support.



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RE: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-30 Thread Tim Colson \(tcolson\)
Duffy wrote:
 1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to 
 /etc/rc.local, or start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d 
 directories, and
Thanks Duffy. I know what would need to be setup for start/stop
scripts...but there are other considerations too , like starting as root
so it could attach to port 80. Better still of course would be to setup
startup scripts and mod_jk connector to Apache (I've got all the configs
from the corporate setup.) 

 2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it 
 does in-memory only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk)
Yeah, the default is writing out data into the confluence_home/database
dir.

 Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on 
 that machine. 
 If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm 
 capable?) I can figure out how to init the Confluence tables 
 given an appropriate login.
MySQL is on the box, but I believe it's 4.0 -- which I personally had
many issues with that went away with 4.1. 

Confluence table init is automagic -- so long as there is a datasource
setup with a uid/pass, Confluence can take it from there after a bit of
change to the config file. 

The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and
coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for
Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-)

-Timo

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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-29 Thread Chad Woolley
Is this a wiki that it integrated with an SCM, similar to Trac
(http://www.edgewall.com/trac/)?  I think that would be more
appropriate for a small, code-centric project such as this.

I looked for about 1 minute to see if Confluence appears to have any
SCM integration, but I didn't see it here:
http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/features/integration.jsp

I'd vote for setting up a Trac site and SVN repo dedicated to this
shootout activity and use subversion, if only because Trac and
subversion are really cool and good to know.

Also, how about those meeting minutes from the last meeting?  There
was definitely some important discussion regarding the future of the
group that should be shared on the list.  Can we just publish them in
their raw glory, or with just some minimal expletive censoring?

-- Chad

On 1/27/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Once I get the wiki setup (sorry, should have it done this weekend),
 we can do it there.

 -warner

 On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Chad Woolley wrote:

  Sounds interesting.  Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort
  of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding
  publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)?
 
  -- Chad
 
  On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would
  like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun.
 
  Here's what I'm thinking about:
  1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say
  connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of
  data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record.
  2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython,
  beanshell, groovy, etc.)
  3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one
  4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!)
 
  We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we
  can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan
  it for a future preso. Whose interested?
 
  (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does).
 
  -warner
 
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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout

2006-01-27 Thread Chad Woolley
Sounds interesting.  Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort
of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding
publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)?

-- Chad

On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would
 like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun.

 Here's what I'm thinking about:
 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say
 connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of
 data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record.
 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython,
 beanshell, groovy, etc.)
 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one
 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!)

 We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we
 can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan
 it for a future preso. Whose interested?

 (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does).

 -warner

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Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout[ sourceforge.net ]

2006-01-27 Thread josh zeidner

  http://www.sourceforge.net


--- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds interesting.  Is there some
 confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort
 of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs
 and coding
 publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)?
 
 -- Chad
 
 On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Ok, I know that we've talked about this before,
 but I really would
  like to make this one a reality as I just think
 it's a lot of fun.
 
  Here's what I'm thinking about:
  1) Define something with a little spice to it to
 accomplish - say
  connect to a db through a command-line
 application, retrieve a set of
  data, allow the user to select a record and return
 just that record.
  2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl,
 ruby, python, jython,
  beanshell, groovy, etc.)
  3) briefly go through the code to show what's
 involved with each one
  4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this
 one!)
 
  We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while
 (I believe) so we
  can line up anyone who's interested in
 participating in this and plan
  it for a future preso. Whose interested?
 
  (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else
 does).
 
  -warner
 
 

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