Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-23 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 22/09/14 15:08, Michael Schwartz wrote: Agreed. There is only one page on Azure, so it would be nice if there was a note that said Don't waste your time... Azure isn't working today. Or better, Juju automatically checks a cloud weather report which we publish that tells you this

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Schwartz
Juju, The note I got from Nate on Azure is below (after wasting a day trying to get it working...) At OSCON, I worked with Jorge and even he couldn't get my local VM working, but I'm willing to give it a try again. I'd be willing to schedule a meeting (please email me off the list to

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-22 Thread Mark Ramm-Christensen (Canonical.com)
I think we need to make sure that we do the best error reporting we can, so if Juju isn't working because of Azure issues, we should find some way to let users know that so that they can try another cloud, contact microsoft, or otherwise find another way forward. --Mark Ramm On Mon, Sep 22, 2014

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Schwartz
Agreed. There is only one page on Azure, so it would be nice if there was a note that said Don't waste your time... Azure isn't working today. - Mike On 2014-09-22 09:06, Mark Ramm-Christensen (Canonical.com) wrote: I think we need to make sure that we do the best error reporting we can,

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-22 Thread Charles Butler
Michael, I read the title of this email and my heart sank a little. This reminds me that we are still moving forward at break neck speed and what ground we've covered and stepped into the next chapter may not be completely solid for someone without the experiences that I have myself. When you

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-21 Thread Tim Penhey
On 22/09/14 03:29, Michael Schwartz wrote: Guys, I hate to break this to you, but deploying and managing Juju is still too hard and too unreliable. I hear this in the market, and my own experience confirms it. The two times I tried, once on my local system, once on Azure, it didn't

Re: Juju is still too hard

2014-09-21 Thread José Antonio Rey
Hey Mike, I am sorry that you are having a hard time with Juju. As Tim said, it would be awesome if you could go a little bit more in-depth about the issues that you are experiencing, so we can understand what's going on and file bugs if necessary. Also, I see that you are testing Juju on a