Re: Tech board agenda

2016-05-24 Thread David Cheney
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Andrew Wilkins wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:43 PM David Cheney > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Several times over this week there has been a call to do X to bring an >> issue to the tech board's attention. >> >> Sadly X has generally be "email", which in my mind

Re: Tech board agenda

2016-05-24 Thread Andrew Wilkins
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:43 PM David Cheney wrote: > Hello, > > Several times over this week there has been a call to do X to bring an > issue to the tech board's attention. > > Sadly X has generally be "email", which in my mind is a shitty way of > tabling issues for discussion. > > - Is there

Tech board agenda

2016-05-24 Thread David Cheney
Hello, Several times over this week there has been a call to do X to bring an issue to the tech board's attention. Sadly X has generally be "email", which in my mind is a shitty way of tabling issues for discussion. - Is there an agenda for the tech board? - Is there a way to add items for the t

Re: list, show and get (was Re: Fixing "juju help commands")

2016-05-24 Thread Nate Finch
I can understand list-clouds vs show-cloud, for plural vs singular (even though I don't think we actually have commands like that, with a plural and a singular). But show-config vs get-config seems really pedantic. You're still showing one thing. One is a foo, one is a foo-config. They have very e

Re: Fixing "juju help commands"

2016-05-24 Thread Tim Penhey
On 25/05/16 00:12, Marco Ceppi wrote: Even if you don't expect people to run them, hidding them seems awkward. Better to simply educate with good help output about what the command does and when/why use the command. Was thinking, perhaps it would be better to have a feature flag to use the "hi

list, show and get (was Re: Fixing "juju help commands")

2016-05-24 Thread Tim Penhey
On 25/05/16 01:49, Nate Finch wrote: While we're on the subject... we have list-foos, show-foos, and get-foo... and I honestly cannot remember when to use which. Can we just standardize on one, so no one has to remember if it's list-models or show-models or show-model-config or get-model-config?

Re: Fixing "juju help commands"

2016-05-24 Thread Nate Finch
If there are things we really don't want uses to run, they should probably just not exist in production builds. If they're just less-used commands, then I don't think it's a big deal to have them in juju help commands. If we want to remove them from production builds, they could either be compiled

Re: Fixing "juju help commands"

2016-05-24 Thread Marco Ceppi
On Tue, May 24, 2016, 12:19 AM Tim Penhey wrote: > Hi folks, > > More from the "let's fix the output" school of thought. > > One thing that has bugged me about 'juju help commands' was the repeated > mentions of "alias for ". > > I propose that we don't show aliases by default, and allow the user

Re: Fixing "juju help commands"

2016-05-24 Thread Tim Penhey
Hidden would be a primitive defined in the github.com/juju/cmd package, whereas the "blockable" consideration is an implementation detail of juju commands. I don't think we should specify them the same way. However, that doesn't mean that Juju shouldn't have a base blockable command which the