Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Andrey Kostin via juniper-nsp
Hi Mark, 100% agree if it could help. Very annoying. If UX designer touched it, he or she probably never actually worked with Junos. Kind regards, Andrey Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp писал(а) 2023-07-12 04:49: So, this is going to be a very priviledged post, and I have been spending the last

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Jeff Haas via juniper-nsp
On 7/12/23, 11:46 AM, "Mark Tinka" mailto:m...@tinka.afri>ca> wrote: > Will any of these issues register significantly on Juniper's roadmap of > how to make customers happier? Likely unlikely. Cynically, money moves things the best. But these comments don't fall on deaf ears. Occasionally,

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp
On 7/12/23 15:45, Jeff Haas wrote: You don't need to tell my fingers that. __ With the infrastructure as it is, the only "solution" is we stop adding things. Good luck with that. The general here is the explosion of keywords. I have about 15 features sitting in my backlog that are

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp
On 7/12/23 15:38, Chris Wopat wrote: Another offender in 21. `protocols bgp` doesn't autocomplete as it did since `bgpmcast` was added. me@r-mx304-lab-re1# set protocols bgp? Possible completions: > bgp                  BGP options > bgpmcast             BGP multicast options Yes, that

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp
On 7/12/23 15:08, Vladimir Blazhkun wrote: You can probably deny that command using the login class ACL. As I'd mentioned to someone else already, not looking to create custom hacks that would not survive staff movement. While it is an option, it would be one of extreme last resort.

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Jeff Haas via juniper-nsp
You don't need to tell my fingers that. __ With the infrastructure as it is, the only "solution" is we stop adding things. Good luck with that. The general here is the explosion of keywords. I have about 15 features sitting in my backlog that are small things to do to bgp policy. The policy

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Chris Wopat via juniper-nsp
Another offender in 21. `protocols bgp` doesn't autocomplete as it did since `bgpmcast` was added. me@r-mx304-lab-re1# set protocols bgp? Possible completions: > bgp BGP options > bgpmcast BGP multicast options

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Vladimir Blazhkun via juniper-nsp
You can probably deny that command using the login class ACL. -- Vladimir Blazhkun (via iPhone). > On 12 Jul 2023, at 11:49, Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp > wrote: > > So, this is going to be a very priviledged post, and I have been spending > the last several months mulling over even

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp
On 7/12/23 11:12, Chris Kawchuk wrote: +1 Mark! For transparency, it was Chris who gave me the nudge, so thanks for that, mate :-). As any good problem begs for a solution, my suggestions to JNPR are as follows, as alternative places for this command: "show route transport-class

Re: [j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Chris Kawchuk via juniper-nsp
+1 Mark! As any good problem begs for a solution, my suggestions to JNPR are as follows, as alternative places for this command: "show route transport-class ..." (or really, is it even a routing thing? might be better w/the segment-routing or spring commands)i.e.: "show segment-routing ..."

[j-nsp] Junos 21+ Killing Finger Muscle Memory...

2023-07-12 Thread Mark Tinka via juniper-nsp
So, this is going to be a very priviledged post, and I have been spending the last several months mulling over even complaining about it either on here, or with my SE. But a community friend sent me the exact same annoyance he is having with Junos 21 or later, which has given me a final