Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 12:53, Luis Balbinot wrote: > I work with telecom companies for years and DC is the standard for pretty > much all of them. If you have a small shelter or container you can deploy > an UPS DC system with a handful of batteries that will last for hours and > will not take much space.

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 12:35, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > To be fair there are more than two Juniper customers world wide that > are using 48V DC. To my knowledge DC power is very common in the telco > world. DC is common, agreed. I just tend to avoid it. During my Malaysia days, I found the company runni

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Luis Balbinot
I work with telecom companies for years and DC is the standard for pretty much all of them. If you have a small shelter or container you can deploy an UPS DC system with a handful of batteries that will last for hours and will not take much space. Look inside a mobile node B station and you’ll only

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 30.07.2020 10.29, Mark Tinka wrote: The ACX710 was clearly built for one or two mobile network operators. There is no doubt about that. Juniper have been making boxes that support both AC and DC for yonks. Hardened and regular. What's so special about the ACX710? In 2020? To be fair the

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 10:19, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > Not going to claim what is or is not a small issue for anyone here. > Just saying that one rack unit external power supplies are plentiful > and cheap. Like this one (just the first result on Google): > > https://www.simplypowersupply.com/Rack-Mount-

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 29.07.2020 23.18, Mark Tinka wrote: On 29/Jul/20 20:18, Baldur Norddahl wrote: I am also going to get a few ACX5448 for our datacentre locations. I am still considering getting some AC to DC powersupplies for the ACX710 because the cost saving is considerable. It is not like finding AC to

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 08:33, Daniel Verlouw wrote: > > which Nokia platform are you looking at? 7250 IXR is also > Qumran/Jericho, Nokia is just hiding it everywhere they can... All of Nokia's revised Metro-E platforms are Broadcom-based. It appears to be the gentleman's handshake amongst all the equip

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 04:17, Shamen Snyder wrote: > The Juniper Bolan architecture is suppose to have an AC variant. > >  Hardened (-40C to 65C), compact (445m x 221mm x 250mm) form factor – > suitable for cabinets in pre-aggregation network layer > • 2 Routing Engine slots, 1:1 redundant control and > fo

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-30 Thread Mark Tinka
On 30/Jul/20 00:53, mt wrote: > Exactly!!! > > my SE confirmed that there the ACX710 will be shipped with only DC > power supply. > > I really don't know what the Juniper engineering team are thinking, > they are forgetting the basic things. They're focusing on a unique > customer requirement, a

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Daniel Verlouw
Hi Mark, On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:24 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > I'm not sure I can be that patient, so I'm sniffing at Nokia's new > Metro-E product line. The problem is so far, as with Juniper and Cisco, > they've gone down the Broadcom route (some boxes shipping with Qumran, > others with Jericho

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Shamen Snyder
Heads up on the ACX5448. There is a major LDP bug in the recommend code 19.3R2-S3. LDP hellos are punted to the RE In queue rx-unknown-mc instead of rxq-l3-nc-hi. A major shift in multicast on our network dropped LDP neighbors. The issue doesn’t happen in 20.2R1 if you find it’s stable (I haven’

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Shamen Snyder
The Juniper Bolan architecture is suppose to have an AC variant. Hardened (-40C to 65C), compact (445m x 221mm x 250mm) form factor – suitable for cabinets in pre-aggregation network layer • 2 Routing Engine slots, 1:1 redundant control and forwarding/switching plane • 320Gb/s and 2.4 Tb/s RP Var

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread mt
Exactly!!! my SE confirmed that there the ACX710 will be shipped with only DC power supply. I really don't know what the Juniper engineering team are thinking, they are forgetting the basic things. They're focusing on a unique customer requirement, and for me this is a absurd. mt Em 29/07

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 20:18, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > I am also going to get a few ACX5448 for our datacentre locations. I am > still considering getting some AC to DC powersupplies for the ACX710 > because the cost saving is considerable. It is not like finding AC to DC > devices is hard - every laptop

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Baldur Norddahl
I am planning to deploy ACX710 with maybe 20 units (which for us is a huge number). We would have ordered DC in any case, so that is a non issue. We will have them at CO buildings were DC is what you get and maybe in the future in road side cabinets, where DC is the easy way to have some battery ba

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jul/20 15:49, Eric Van Tol wrote: > We ran into this, too. We signed up to beta test at the beginning of this > year and nowhere, not even in discussions with our SE (who also wasn't told > by Juniper), was it mentioned it was a DC-only device. Imagine my surprise > when I received the

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Eric Van Tol
We ran into this, too. We signed up to beta test at the beginning of this year and nowhere, not even in discussions with our SE (who also wasn't told by Juniper), was it mentioned it was a DC-only device. Imagine my surprise when I received the box and it was DC only. Such a disappointment. -ev

Re: [j-nsp] ACX5448 & ACX710 - Update!

2020-07-29 Thread Mark Tinka
So an update on this thread... Juniper went ahead and made the ACX710 a DC-only box. So if you are an AC house, you're in deep doo-doo (which is us). DC, for large scale deployment in the Metro? Makes zero sense to me. Apparently, no way around this; which, to me, smells of the box being built f