Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-29 Thread Mark Tinka
On 29/Jun/18 17:10, Rob Foehl wrote: >   > Thanks for the detailed reply, Mark. > > By "ancient", I mean boxes still running RE-S-1300s, original SCBs, > and either DPCs or older MPC2s -- basically, everything EOL except the > chassis, and running a mix of 1G and 10G interfaces.  The limited

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-29 Thread Rob Foehl
On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, Mark Tinka wrote: But to your question, there is nothing ancient about the MX240. It's just small. Look at your future needs and consider whether having those 2 line card slots running the latest-generation Trio chip will scale better than migrating to the MX204, and that

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 20:24, Josh Richesin wrote: > What are people using now days for core routers with about 100 BGP sessions > with about 10 of them being full routes? We have an MX104 that is actually > doing it, however people are having issues and that is scaring me a bit. We > are looking

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Josh Richesin
What are people using now days for core routers with about 100 BGP sessions with about 10 of them being full routes? We have an MX104 that is actually doing it, however people are having issues and that is scaring me a bit. We are looking at upgrading it to 10G, but the cost is crazy as

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 16:23, Gert Doering wrote: > How much throughput do you need? > > MX150 might be an alternative... "no (real) forwarding hardware, but > fast CPU and lots of RAM" In my mind, the MX150 is really the ideal scalable RR from Juniper for folk that don't want to mess around building it

[j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 16:23, Gert Doering wrote: > How much throughput do you need? > > MX150 might be an alternative... "no (real) forwarding hardware, but > fast CPU and lots of RAM" In my mind, the MX150 is really the ideal scalable RR from Juniper for folk that don't want to mess around building it

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Dovid Bender
Not much at all 250 mbit. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:10:37AM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote: > > I was told that convergence time on the MX5 would be horrible so we never > > tried full routes. I am wondering what's the "lowest" model

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 17:15, Rob Foehl wrote: > > Any thoughts on MX204s replacing ancient MX240s, assuming one can make > the interface mix work? > > I'm looking at the replacement option vs. in-place upgrades of a mixed > bag of old RE/SCB/DPC/MPC parts...  Seems like an obvious win in cases > with

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 15:51, Chris Adams wrote: > Yep. The RE VM "only" gets half the resources (so 4 cores and 16G RAM), > but that is plenty good! It also has dual NVMe SSDs for storage. When > I upgraded JUNOS from 17.4 to 18.1, I think it only took about 3 minutes > from "request system reboot"

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/27/18 8:42 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: > Can confirm convergence time on the MX80 with even a single full table > session is extremely painful, and essentially not functional in a > production environment. > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Dovid Bender wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> In my 9-5 I

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Rob Foehl
On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, Mark Tinka wrote: At this stage, I'd say the cheapest MX router you should go for that is decent is the MX204. Any thoughts on MX204s replacing ancient MX240s, assuming one can make the interface mix work? I'm looking at the replacement option vs. in-place upgrades of

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Tom Beecher
Can confirm convergence time on the MX80 with even a single full table session is extremely painful, and essentially not functional in a production environment. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi All, > > In my 9-5 I work for an ITSP where we have two MX5's with > - iBGP

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 09:10:37AM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote: > I was told that convergence time on the MX5 would be horrible so we never > tried full routes. I am wondering what's the "lowest" model that can > support full routes without having an issue re-sorting the routes. How much

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Tim Jackson
I think the PFE ukern runs as a process in the hypervisor that uses another core and a few G of ram: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 4479 root 20 0 16.7g 16g 26m S 500 53.0 114757:25 qemu-system-x86 21332 root 20 0 3008m 263m 215m R 135 0.8

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Jason Lixfeld
So the rest is for guest VMs then? > On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Tim Jackson wrote: > > Yeah 16G for the RE + I think you actually get 5 cores in the Junos VM: > > % sysctl -a | egrep -i 'hw.machine|hw.model|hw.ncpu' > hw.machine: amd64 > hw.model: QEMU Virtual CPU version 1.7.2 > hw.ncpu: 5

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Tim Jackson
Yeah 16G for the RE + I think you actually get 5 cores in the Junos VM: % sysctl -a | egrep -i 'hw.machine|hw.model|hw.ncpu' hw.machine: amd64 hw.model: QEMU Virtual CPU version 1.7.2 hw.ncpu: 5 hw.machine_arch: amd64 It's really fast though. Great little box so far. -- Tim On Wed, Jun 27,

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tim Jackson said: > Yes. Calling it decent is an understatement. It's really quick. It's a Xeon > E5-2608Lv4. Yep. The RE VM "only" gets half the resources (so 4 cores and 16G RAM), but that is plenty good! It also has dual NVMe SSDs for storage. When I upgraded JUNOS from

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Tim Jackson
Yes. Calling it decent is an understatement. It's really quick. It's a Xeon E5-2608Lv4. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 8:31 AM, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > > > > On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > At this stage, I'd say the cheapest MX router you should go for that is > > decent is

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 15:31, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > Isn’t the MX204 RE more than decent? 8 core 1.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RE sounds like > decent is an understatement, no?. You have to play a little hard to get :-)... Mark. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Jason Lixfeld
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > At this stage, I'd say the cheapest MX router you should go for that is > decent is the MX204. Isn’t the MX204 RE more than decent? 8 core 1.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RE sounds like decent is an understatement, no?

Re: [j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/Jun/18 15:10, Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi All, > > In my 9-5 I work for an ITSP where we have two MX5's with > - iBGP > - two up steams with two BGP sessions each (one per routes) > - one upstream with one bgp session > - one bgp session where we get minimal routes (maybe 15 total) > > I

[j-nsp] Router for full routes

2018-06-27 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi All, In my 9-5 I work for an ITSP where we have two MX5's with - iBGP - two up steams with two BGP sessions each (one per routes) - one upstream with one bgp session - one bgp session where we get minimal routes (maybe 15 total) I was told that convergence time on the MX5 would be horrible so