Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Data Center use cases, except some PTX1 products... albeit the ones that are dual personality with their QFX alter ego :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Richard McGovern wrote: > > I am thinking (guessing) you will not see EVO on MX for some time. EVO is > mainly targeted at Data Center use cases, for which MX is used for DC to DC > connectivity, but not as a main stay within any DC. > > My 2 cents worth. > > Richard McGovern > Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks > 978-618-3342 > > I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good > I don’t make the news, I just report it > > > On 10/11/20, 6:26 AM, "Saku Ytti" wrote: > >>On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 00:24, Colton Conor wrote: >> >> So is Junos OS Evolved available for the MX routers? How would you go from >> regular Junos to Junos OS Evolved on a MX 240/480/960 for example? > >It is not, but expect to see it in future MX REs. > > > >-- > ++ytti > > > > Juniper Business Use Only ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
--- Begin Message --- I am thinking (guessing) you will not see EVO on MX for some time. EVO is mainly targeted at Data Center use cases, for which MX is used for DC to DC connectivity, but not as a main stay within any DC. My 2 cents worth. Richard McGovern Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks 978-618-3342 I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good I don’t make the news, I just report it On 10/11/20, 6:26 AM, "Saku Ytti" wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 00:24, Colton Conor wrote: > So is Junos OS Evolved available for the MX routers? How would you go from regular Junos to Junos OS Evolved on a MX 240/480/960 for example? It is not, but expect to see it in future MX REs. -- ++ytti Juniper Business Use Only --- End Message --- ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Once upon a time, Alain Hebert said: > I haven't unpackaged an Evolved distribution yet, but my > experience with WindRiver licensing back in early 2000, it would be > pricey. Heh, when you pay 6 figures for a router, two copies of Wind River Linux for the REs is probably barely a bump. Also, I expect Juniper would be able to get some volume discounts. After all, there are a number of free IoT type Linux distributions as well now that give some level of competition to Wind River (obviously not the same, but probably bring down the price). Also, back when "embedded system" meant getting like 4MB RAM and 8MB flash, it was a lot harder (read: pricier) to get a regular Linux setup into that. Now that even phones are often coming with 6-8GB RAM and 64-256G flash (and oh yeah, running Linux ;) )... "embedded" isn't quite the same anymore. > As for FreeBSD, they could have gone the way of upgrading the > kernel (I saw some evidences about 10.x but no confirmation yet) but > depending of their initial work done during the 4.x days, switching > might have been a better financial choice. They've upgraded FreeBSD a few times over the years, but each time it tended to be a "big deal" upgrade (versions you couldn't skip, no downgrades without a full reload, changed behvaior, etc.). -- Chris Adams ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 01:51:59PM -0400, Alain Hebert wrote: > As for FreeBSD, they could have gone the way of upgrading the >kernel (I saw some evidences about 10.x but no confirmation yet) but >depending of their initial work done during the 4.x days, switching >might have been a better financial choice. With Junos 15.1, the underlying FreeBSD was upgraded to 10.x - except for on MX104 (MIPS RE). As for the silicon, MX, PTX & some QFXs are based on Junipers own ASICs. -- BR, Sonny "Respect is fine, but actually I've always wanted to be feared." ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
I haven't unpackaged an Evolved distribution yet, but my experience with WindRiver licensing back in early 2000, it would be pricey. As for FreeBSD, they could have gone the way of upgrading the kernel (I saw some evidences about 10.x but no confirmation yet) but depending of their initial work done during the 4.x days, switching might have been a better financial choice. Device support wouldn't be an issue pretty much all the worthy stuff works on both... and with virtualization its not an really issue anymore. - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 2020-10-13 13:22, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Alain Hebert said: Since most of the reference implementation from their ASIC provider with be Linux based ... the path of least resistance wins. This is on the RE, which is just standard Intel x86 stuff (or IIRC ARM for smaller stuff?). And, I think, the "preference" of the majority of their own devs/mgmt which never knew nothing but Linux =D. I think with FreeBSD-based Junos, Juniper forked their chosen FreeBSD release and made a bunch of customizations. That means every time they need to get to newer FreeBSD (for newer hardware support, newer features, etc.), it is a major operation. With Junos Evolved, it sounds like they're going with somebody else's distribution (Wind River) and adapting to fit it. Then when they need new support, they just get the latest release and go (somebody else does all the hardware work). It's my understand that the Linux kernel tends to have broader support for new hardware than the FreeBSD kernel, but I haven't really looked in a long time (I run Linux, not FreeBSD, so I could be wrong). ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Once upon a time, Alain Hebert said: > Since most of the reference implementation from their ASIC > provider with be Linux based ... the path of least resistance wins. This is on the RE, which is just standard Intel x86 stuff (or IIRC ARM for smaller stuff?). > And, I think, the "preference" of the majority of their own > devs/mgmt which never knew nothing but Linux =D. I think with FreeBSD-based Junos, Juniper forked their chosen FreeBSD release and made a bunch of customizations. That means every time they need to get to newer FreeBSD (for newer hardware support, newer features, etc.), it is a major operation. With Junos Evolved, it sounds like they're going with somebody else's distribution (Wind River) and adapting to fit it. Then when they need new support, they just get the latest release and go (somebody else does all the hardware work). It's my understand that the Linux kernel tends to have broader support for new hardware than the FreeBSD kernel, but I haven't really looked in a long time (I run Linux, not FreeBSD, so I could be wrong). -- Chris Adams ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Since most of the reference implementation from their ASIC provider with be Linux based ... the path of least resistance wins. And, I think, the "preference" of the majority of their own devs/mgmt which never knew nothing but Linux =D. - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 2020-10-11 07:04, Gavin Henry wrote: Whats its history? (will Google it too) I mean, from a software engineering point if view, it's a tough call to start again. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Whats its history? (will Google it too) I mean, from a software engineering point if view, it's a tough call to start again. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 00:24, Colton Conor wrote: > So is Junos OS Evolved available for the MX routers? How would you go from > regular Junos to Junos OS Evolved on a MX 240/480/960 for example? It is not, but expect to see it in future MX REs. -- ++ytti ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
So is Junos OS Evolved available for the MX routers? How would you go from regular Junos to Junos OS Evolved on a MX 240/480/960 for example? On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 11:38 AM Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey Colton, > > > I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did > > regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version > > where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? > > I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a > choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms > already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic > options. > > -- > ++ytti > ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Well this is coming from my experience with QFX5100, less of an issue with MX platforms but still for the price tag it was kinda hellish. Been stable after we worked some of the pitfalls... still got some chipset related issue when someone makes an error and mix L2 VLANs with VLAN-CCC on the same interface. Nothing like 3 lvl of peer review cannot fix. - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 2020-10-09 13:00, Jared Mauch wrote: Like many things either it works or it doesn't. I'm not a fan of paying for software with bugs personally. We do have Evo in use. Sent from my iCar On Oct 9, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Alain Hebert wrote: Nice another round of customers doing JNP QA :( - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 2020-10-09 12:38, Saku Ytti wrote: Hey Colton, I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic options. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Like many things either it works or it doesn't. I'm not a fan of paying for software with bugs personally. We do have Evo in use. Sent from my iCar > On Oct 9, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Alain Hebert wrote: > > Nice another round of customers doing JNP QA :( > > - > Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net > PubNIX Inc. > 50 boul. St-Charles > P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 > Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 > >> On 2020-10-09 12:38, Saku Ytti wrote: >> Hey Colton, >> >>> I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did >>> regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version >>> where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? >> I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a >> choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms >> already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic >> options. >> > > ___ > juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Nice another round of customers doing JNP QA :( - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443 On 2020-10-09 12:38, Saku Ytti wrote: Hey Colton, I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic options. ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
--- Begin Message --- I think QFX5200-32C (and some PTX?) are only platforms that have support for both a Junos version and an EVO version. I think once [very hard if not impossible] to change. FYI only Richard McGovern Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks 978-618-3342 I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good I don’t make the news, I just report it On 10/9/20, 12:38 PM, "Saku Ytti" wrote: Hey Colton, > I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did > regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version > where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic options. -- ++ytti Juniper Business Use Only --- End Message --- ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
Re: [j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
Hey Colton, > I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did > regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version > where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? I think EVO appeared in 19.1, but in most cases you don't have a choice, you either install classic or you install evo. New platforms already only have EVO options and older platforms only have classic options. -- ++ytti ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
[j-nsp] Junos OS Evolved
I was unaware of Junos OS Evolved until recently. At what version did regular Junos evolve into Junos OS Evolved? Is there a certain version where after that version, everything ongoing is Junos OS Evolved? ___ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
