Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
The fact that K-9 is for free does not inevitably mean that it is not allowed 
to improve and become better and that repeated and boring actions as to 
manually copy and paste attachments to SD should not be avoided.

Most of my other apps can write to my external SD under Android 7.1, so it is 
possible and can be solved!

It makes sense to store files sent as attachments on external SD, because 
internal storage is limited, not extendable and reserved for program data. 

I have only about 20 GB of internal storage free and available, but 256 GB on 
my external SD.

So internal storage is very short and valuable!

Why should I waste it for files sent as attachments? 

So I always have to manually copy and paste them to my external SD, because K-9 
is not able to write to SD!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Andy Figueroa 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 16:47:50 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

This has devolved into whining. You didn't pay for K9. Stop demanding feature 
changes. Most apps will no longer write to external SD card storage because of 
changes in the Android API v7 and up.
--
Andy

On January 26, 2019 9:08:45 AM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:
>
>"...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being removed when 
>they take out an SD card which has been designated as external storage
>..."
>
>So:
>
>The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.
>
>AND:
>
>Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can be
>stored 
>internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that still in the 
>settings a directory in the external storage can be defined ...
>
>The same mess as with the mail-db ...
>
>SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp
>
>Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:
>> This excerpt deals with a different topic!
>>
>> It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.
>>
>> I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my
>external SD.
>>
>> Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9
>cannot,  although it pretends to have this abilty!
>>
>>
>> ---- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----
>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>
>> So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
>> writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :
>>
>> "External storage however has to be considered potientially
>removable.
>> But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9
>doesn’t
>> do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
>> account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
>> designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with
>SD
>> cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API
>varies
>> heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage
>is
>> normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and
>ability
>> for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
>> possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but
>is
>> dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
>> against (as well as no higher priority issues)."
>>
>> I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.
>>
>> So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage"
>something
>> like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and
>higher)"
>>
>> ((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))
>>
>>
>> Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:
>>> I use Android 7.1.
>>>
>>> All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except
>K-9!
>>>
>>> So, if they can do, why can't K-9?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
>>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
>>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>>
>>> So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
>>> storage" something like
>>>
>>> "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02

Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 
In the very beginning I formatted the SD card as "internal" storage. And 
after a few days the SD card stopped working. And nearly all apps are 
crashed.



Gunter Königsmann schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 17:04:
I own the same phone and at one point in time me have told it to 
format the SD card as internal storage. Maybe this could be an 
alternative for you: as on android every phone vendor basically rolls 
his own OS including the security concepts etc. it is surprisingly 
hard for an app to determine what it will have access to.


On Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 16:47 Andy Figueroa <mailto:andyfiguero...@gmail.com> wrote:


This has devolved into whining. You didn't pay for K9. Stop
demanding feature changes. Most apps will no longer write to
external SD card storage because of changes in the Android API v7
and up.
--
Andy

On January 26, 2019 9:08:45 AM EST, Hans-Peter Korn mailto:h...@korn.ch>> wrote:

In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:

"...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being
removed when they take out an SD card which has been
designated as external storage ..."

So:

The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.

AND:

Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can
be stored internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that
still in the settings a directory in the external storage can
be defined ...

The same mess as with the mail-db ...

SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp

Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:

This excerpt deals with a different topic!

It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.

I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my 
external SD.

Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9 
cannot,  although it pretends to have this abilty!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn  <mailto:h...@korn.ch>
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
An:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  <mailto:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com>
        Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
writing this inhttps://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html  :

"External storage however has to be considered potientially removable.
But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t
do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD
cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies
heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is
normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability
for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is
dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
against (as well as no higher priority issues)."

I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.

So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something
like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"

((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))


Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:

I use Android 7.1.

All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!

So, if they can do, why can't K-9?


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn  <mailto:h...@korn.ch>
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
    An:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  <mailto:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com>
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
storage" something like

"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:

For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
K9's fault.
--
Andy

On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  
<mailto:h...@korn.ch>  wrote:

  Well,

  In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
  "external storage (SD card)"

  BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.

Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 

Well:

You didn't pay for K9. Stop demanding feature changes. 
This is a really GREAT response of that kind which makes SW developers 
lovable!!


I understand:

In the settings the external storage (SD card) can be selected - but 
without any effect for Android 7 and higher. And without any message, 
that this setting is not possible for Android 7 and higher.


And you deny any changes to inform the users that this offered setting 
is not possible for Android 7 and higher. Really GREAT!


<8-) Hans-Peter Korn

Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 16:47:
This has devolved into whining. You didn't pay for K9. Stop demanding 
feature changes. Most apps will no longer write to external SD card 
storage because of changes in the Android API v7 and up.

--
Andy

On January 26, 2019 9:08:45 AM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:

In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:

"...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being removed
when they take out an SD card which has been designated as
external storage ..."

So:

The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.

AND:

Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can be
stored internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that still
in the settings a directory in the external storage can be defined
...

The same mess as with the mail-db ...

SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp

Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:

This excerpt deals with a different topic!

It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.

I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my 
external SD.

Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9 cannot,  
although it pretends to have this abilty!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
An:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
    Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
writing this inhttps://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html  :

"External storage however has to be considered potientially removable.
But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t
do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD
cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies
heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is
normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability
for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is
dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
against (as well as no higher priority issues)."

I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.

So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something
like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"

((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))


Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:

I use Android 7.1.

All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!

So, if they can do, why can't K-9?


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
    An:k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
storage" something like

"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:

For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
K9's fault.
--
Andy

On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:

  Well,

  In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
  "external storage (SD card)"

  BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.

  Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
  and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
  used.

  This is my phone:


  Motorola
  Moto G (5)

  HARDWARE
  Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430

  RAM
  RAM Größe: 2.0 GB

  INTERNAL STORAGE
  16 GB
  EXTERNAL SD CARD
  124 GB

  SYSTEM
  Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
  Version: OPPS28.85-13-4

Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Gunter Königsmann 
I own the same phone and at one point in time me have told it to format the
SD card as internal storage. Maybe this could be an alternative for you: as
on android every phone vendor basically rolls his own OS including the
security concepts etc. it is surprisingly hard for an app to determine what
it will have access to.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019, 16:47 Andy Figueroa  This has devolved into whining. You didn't pay for K9. Stop demanding
> feature changes. Most apps will no longer write to external SD card storage
> because of changes in the Android API v7 and up.
> --
> Andy
>
> On January 26, 2019 9:08:45 AM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>>
>> In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:
>>
>> "...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being removed when they
>> take out an SD card which has been designated as external storage ..."
>>
>> So:
>>
>> The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.
>>
>> AND:
>>
>> Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can be stored
>> internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that still in the settings
>> a directory in the external storage can be defined ...
>>
>> The same mess as with the mail-db ...
>>
>> SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp
>>
>>
>> Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:
>>
>> This excerpt deals with a different topic!
>>
>> It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.
>>
>> I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my 
>> external SD.
>>
>> Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9 cannot,  
>> although it pretends to have this abilty!
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn  
>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>
>> So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
>> writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :
>>
>> "External storage however has to be considered potientially removable.
>> But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t
>> do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
>> account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
>> designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD
>> cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies
>> heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is
>> normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability
>> for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
>> possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is
>> dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
>> against (as well as no higher priority issues)."
>>
>> I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.
>>
>> So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something
>> like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"
>>
>> ((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))
>>
>>
>> Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:
>>
>> I use Android 7.1.
>>
>> All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!
>>
>> So, if they can do, why can't K-9?
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn  
>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>
>> So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
>> storage" something like
>>
>> "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"
>>
>>
>> Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:
>>
>> For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
>> K9's fault.
>> --
>> Andy
>>
>> On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Well,
>>
>>  In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
>>  "external storage (SD card)"
>>
>>  BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.
>>
>>  Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "in

Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Andy Figueroa 
This has devolved into whining. You didn't pay for K9. Stop demanding feature 
changes. Most apps will no longer write to external SD card storage because of 
changes in the Android API v7 and up.
--
Andy

On January 26, 2019 9:08:45 AM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:
>
>"...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being removed when 
>they take out an SD card which has been designated as external storage
>..."
>
>So:
>
>The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.
>
>AND:
>
>Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can be
>stored 
>internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that still in the 
>settings a directory in the external storage can be defined ...
>
>The same mess as with the mail-db ...
>
>SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp
>
>Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:
>> This excerpt deals with a different topic!
>>
>> It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.
>>
>> I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my
>external SD.
>>
>> Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9
>cannot,  although it pretends to have this abilty!
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----
>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>
>> So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
>> writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :
>>
>> "External storage however has to be considered potientially
>removable.
>> But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9
>doesn’t
>> do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
>> account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
>> designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with
>SD
>> cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API
>varies
>> heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage
>is
>> normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and
>ability
>> for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
>> possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but
>is
>> dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
>> against (as well as no higher priority issues)."
>>
>> I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.
>>
>> So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage"
>something
>> like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and
>higher)"
>>
>> ((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))
>>
>>
>> Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:
>>> I use Android 7.1.
>>>
>>> All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except
>K-9!
>>>
>>> So, if they can do, why can't K-9?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
>>> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
>>> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>>>
>>> So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
>>> storage" something like
>>>
>>> "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:
>>>> For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card.
>Not
>>>> K9's fault.
>>>> --
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn 
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Well,
>>>>
>>>>   In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
>>>>   "external storage (SD card)"
>>>>
>>>>   BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.
>>>>
>>>>   Several times I changed the settings from "external" to
>"internal"
>>>>   and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal
>storage is
>>>>   used.
>>>>
>>>>   This is my phone:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Motorola
>>>>   Moto

Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 

In https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html I read:

"...and most users don’t want their e-mailaccount being removed when 
they take out an SD card which has been designated as external storage ..."


So:

The mail-DB is also stored internal only for Android 7 and higher.

AND:

Yes, mail attachments now (with Android 7 and higher) also can be stored 
internal only.  In contrast to the possibility, that still in the 
settings a directory in the external storage can be defined ...


The same mess as with the mail-db ...

SO: k-9 has the same limitations concerning the storage as whatsapp

Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:50:

This excerpt deals with a different topic!

It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.

I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my external 
SD.

Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9 cannot,  
although it pretends to have this abilty!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of
writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :

"External storage however has to be considered potientially removable.
But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t
do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail
account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been
designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD
cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies
heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is
normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability
for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually
possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is
dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop
against (as well as no higher priority issues)."

I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.

So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something
like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"

((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))


Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:

I use Android 7.1.

All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!

So, if they can do, why can't K-9?


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
storage" something like

"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:

For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
K9's fault.
--
Andy

On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:

  Well,

  In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
  "external storage (SD card)"

  BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.

  Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
  and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
  used.

  This is my phone:


  Motorola
  Moto G (5)

  HARDWARE
  Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430

  RAM
  RAM Größe: 2.0 GB

  INTERNAL STORAGE
  16 GB
  EXTERNAL SD CARD
  124 GB

  SYSTEM
  Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
  Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
  Reading some text about "storage" in
  https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS
  the INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card) OK
  ... there might be some reasons for that. BUT: Then the
  possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9
  is misleading! the k-9 s

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
This excerpt deals with a different topic!

It is about moving the K-9 program to SD.

I was writing about the disability of K-9 to store attachments on my external 
SD.

Most of my other apps can store data on my external SD, only K-9 cannot,  
although it pretends to have this abilty!


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Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 14:36:51 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of 
writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :

"External storage however has to be considered potientially removable. 
But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t 
do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail 
account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been 
designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD 
cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies 
heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is 
normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability 
for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually 
possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is 
dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop 
against (as well as no higher priority issues)."

I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.

So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something 
like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"

((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))


Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:
> I use Android 7.1.
>
> All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!
>
> So, if they can do, why can't K-9?
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
> Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
> An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card
>
> So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
> storage" something like
>
> "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"
>
>
> Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:
>> For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
>> K9's fault.
>> --
>> Andy
>>
>> On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>>
>>  Well,
>>
>>  In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
>>  "external storage (SD card)"
>>
>>  BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.
>>
>>  Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
>>  and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
>>  used.
>>
>>  This is my phone:
>>
>>
>>  Motorola
>>  Moto G (5)
>>
>>  HARDWARE
>>  Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430
>>
>>  RAM
>>  RAM Größe: 2.0 GB
>>
>>  INTERNAL STORAGE
>>  16 GB
>>  EXTERNAL SD CARD
>>  124 GB
>>
>>  SYSTEM
>>  Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
>>  Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
>>  Reading some text about "storage" in
>>  https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS
>>  the INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card) OK
>>  ... there might be some reasons for that. BUT: Then the
>>  possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9
>>  is misleading! the k-9 s
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 
So, please: the k-9 developers should solve this issue instead of 
writing this in https://k9mail.github.io/documentation/storage.html :


"External storage however has to be considered potientially removable. 
But large APKs can be stored on external storage by request. K-9 doesn’t 
do this - our APK is not large and most users don’t want their e-mail 
account being removed when they take out an SD card which has been 
designated as external storage.  ...   the number of devices with SD 
cards is still quite small, the way they are detected by the API varies 
heavily with each version of Android and the amount of normal storage is 
normally considerable. Hence we don’t see strong demand and ability 
for specifically supporting SD cards on versions where it is actually 
possible without fragile code. ... This may change in the future, but is 
dependent on developers having phones with SD card support to develop 
against (as well as no higher priority issues)."


I doubt, that this will be done in the nearer future.

So, please:  Write In the k-9 settings for "account / storage" something 
like "external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


((( is some developer reading this thread??? )))


Uwe Deutscher schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 14:22:

I use Android 7.1.

All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!

So, if they can do, why can't K-9?


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account /
storage" something like

"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:

For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
K9's fault.
--
Andy

On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:

 Well,

 In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
 "external storage (SD card)"

 BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.

 Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
 and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
 used.

 This is my phone:


 Motorola
 Moto G (5)

 HARDWARE
 Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430

 RAM
 RAM Größe: 2.0 GB

 INTERNAL STORAGE
 16 GB
 EXTERNAL SD CARD
 124 GB

 SYSTEM
 Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
 Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
 Reading some text about "storage" in
 https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS
 the INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card) OK
 ... there might be some reasons for that. BUT: Then the
 possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9
 is misleading! the k-9 s

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
I use Android 7.1.

All my other apps are able to write on my external SD card, except K-9!

So, if they can do, why can't K-9?


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Von: Hans-Peter Korn 
Gesendet: 26. Januar 2019 10:52:47 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account / 
storage" something like

"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:
> For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not 
> K9's fault.
> --
> Andy
>
> On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>
> Well,
>
> In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
> "external storage (SD card)"
>
> BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.
>
> Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
> and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
> used.
>
> This is my phone:
>
>
> Motorola
> Moto G (5)
>
> HARDWARE
> Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430
>
> RAM
> RAM Größe: 2.0 GB
>
> INTERNAL STORAGE
> 16 GB
> EXTERNAL SD CARD
> 124 GB
>
> SYSTEM
> Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
> Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
> Reading some text about "storage" in
> https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS
> the INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card) OK
> ... there might be some reasons for that. BUT: Then the
> possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9
> is misleading! the k-9 s
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-26 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 
So: It would be useful to write In the k-9 settings for "account / 
storage" something like


"external storage (SD card; NOT working for Android 7 and higher)"


Andy Figueroa schrieb am 26.01.2019 um 02:08:
For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not 
K9's fault.

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On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:

Well,

In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to
"external storage (SD card)"

BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage.

Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal"
and then back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is
used.

This is my phone:


Motorola
Moto G (5)

HARDWARE
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430

RAM
RAM Größe: 2.0 GB

INTERNAL STORAGE
16 GB
EXTERNAL SD CARD
124 GB

SYSTEM
Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
Reading some text about "storage" in
https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS
the INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card) OK
... there might be some reasons for that. BUT: Then the
possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9
is misleading! the k-9 s

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-25 Thread David W. Jones 
On January 25, 2019 3:08:14 PM HST, Andy Figueroa  
wrote:
>For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not
>K9's fault.
>--
>Andy
>
>On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn 
>wrote:
>>Well,
>>
>>In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to "external 
>>storage (SD card)"
>>
>>BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage. 
>>
>>Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal" and
>>then 
>>back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is used. 
>>
>>This is my phone:
>>
>>
>>Motorola
>>Moto G (5)
>>
>>HARDWARE
>>Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430
>>
>>RAM
>>RAM Größe: 2.0 GB
>>
>>INTERNAL STORAGE
>>16 GB
>>EXTERNAL SD CARD
>>124 GB
>>
>>SYSTEM
>>Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
>>Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
>>
>>Reading some text about "storage" in
>>https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS the
>>INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card)
>>
>>OK ... there might be some reasons for that. 
>>
>>BUT: Then the possibility in the settings to select an external
>storage
>>for k-9 is misleading! 
>>the k-9 s
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Well, here on my Android 5.1 tablet, nothing except Android itself can write to 
an SD card, apparently.
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-25 Thread Andy Figueroa 
For Android 7 and higher, K9 can't write to the external SD card. Not K9's 
fault.
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On January 25, 2019 7:18:17 PM EST, Hans-Peter Korn  wrote:
>Well,
>
>In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to "external 
>storage (SD card)"
>
>BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage. 
>
>Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal" and
>then 
>back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is used. 
>
>This is my phone:
>
>
>Motorola
>Moto G (5)
>
>HARDWARE
>Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430
>
>RAM
>RAM Größe: 2.0 GB
>
>INTERNAL STORAGE
>16 GB
>EXTERNAL SD CARD
>124 GB
>
>SYSTEM
>Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
>Version: OPPS28.85-13-4
>
>Reading some text about "storage" in
>https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS the
>INTENTION of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card)
>
>OK ... there might be some reasons for that. 
>
>BUT: Then the possibility in the settings to select an external storage
>for k-9 is misleading! 
>the k-9 s
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[k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2019-01-25 Thread Hans-Peter Korn 
Well,

In the k-9 settings for "account" I can set the storage to "external 
storage (SD card)"

BUT: Everything still is saved in the internal storage. 

Several times I changed the settings from "external" to "internal" and then 
back again. With no effect. Only the internal storage is used. 

This is my phone:


Motorola
Moto G (5)

HARDWARE
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 430

RAM
RAM Größe: 2.0 GB

INTERNAL STORAGE
16 GB
EXTERNAL SD CARD
124 GB

SYSTEM
Android Version: 8.1.0 (Oreo)
Version: OPPS28.85-13-4

Reading some text about "storage" in 
https://k9mail.github.io/documentation.html ist seems, that it IS the INTENTION 
of k-9 NOT to use an "external" storage (SD card)

OK ... there might be some reasons for that. 

BUT: Then the possibility in the settings to select an external storage for k-9 
is misleading! 
the k-9 s

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-27 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
Thank you for your reply. 

Unfortunately I am not familiar enough with program text sourcecode to 
unterstand what I should do now to solve the problem. 

All my other apps manage to write on my SD card.

Some of them after explicit confirming writing rights.

Only K-9 ignores every permittion granted and refuses to write on my SD card.

My Sony Xperia Z5 Premium has a built in storage memory named "emulated SD 
storage" of only 7 GB left.

And I have a 128 GB Micro SD installed which is called "external SD".

I would like K-9 to write on this external SD, but K-9 permanently fails to do 
so.

So, what should I do now?


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Von: sjb 
Gesendet: 26. Dezember 2018 21:43:50 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

On 26/12/2018 20:19, Uwe Deutscher wrote:
> No, definitly not!
> 
> I have a Sony Xperia Z5 Premium under Android 7.2 and the latest version of 
> K-9.
> 
> The problem started immediately with my migration from HTC Sensation under 
> Android 4.x to this smartphone.
> 
> K-9 refuses to write to the external SD although all necessary rights have 
> been granted.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a k-9 dev. I'm not even a Java dev.

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/blob/master/app/core/src/main/java/com/fsck/k9/mailstore/StorageManager.java#L380

"Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory();"

https://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment#getExternalStorageDirectory()

"Note: don't be confused by the word "external" here. This directory can 
better be thought as media/shared storage. It is a filesystem that can 
hold a relatively large amount of data and that is shared across all 
applications (does not enforce permissions). Traditionally this is an SD 
card, but it may also be implemented as built-in storage in a device 
that is distinct from the protected internal storage and can be mounted 
as a filesystem on a computer.

On devices with multiple users (as described by UserManager), each user 
has their own isolated shared storage. Applications only have access to 
the shared storage for the user they're running as."

Multiple user profiles were introduced in 4.2 .. which I presume 
coincides with the recommendation to use getExternalStorageDirectory()

So it seems to me (see the disclaimer above) that K-9 is "doing the 
right thing" here as per Android's own developer guidelines. Maybe it's 
time to remove the references to external SD cards from the UI.

sjb


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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-26 Thread sjb 

On 26/12/2018 20:19, Uwe Deutscher wrote:

No, definitly not!

I have a Sony Xperia Z5 Premium under Android 7.2 and the latest version of K-9.

The problem started immediately with my migration from HTC Sensation under 
Android 4.x to this smartphone.

K-9 refuses to write to the external SD although all necessary rights have been 
granted.


DISCLAIMER: I'm not a k-9 dev. I'm not even a Java dev.

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/blob/master/app/core/src/main/java/com/fsck/k9/mailstore/StorageManager.java#L380

"Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory();"

https://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment#getExternalStorageDirectory()

"Note: don't be confused by the word "external" here. This directory can 
better be thought as media/shared storage. It is a filesystem that can 
hold a relatively large amount of data and that is shared across all 
applications (does not enforce permissions). Traditionally this is an SD 
card, but it may also be implemented as built-in storage in a device 
that is distinct from the protected internal storage and can be mounted 
as a filesystem on a computer.


On devices with multiple users (as described by UserManager), each user 
has their own isolated shared storage. Applications only have access to 
the shared storage for the user they're running as."


Multiple user profiles were introduced in 4.2 .. which I presume 
coincides with the recommendation to use getExternalStorageDirectory()


So it seems to me (see the disclaimer above) that K-9 is "doing the 
right thing" here as per Android's own developer guidelines. Maybe it's 
time to remove the references to external SD cards from the UI.


sjb

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-26 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
No, definitly not! 

I have a Sony Xperia Z5 Premium under Android 7.2 and the latest version of 
K-9. 

The problem started immediately with my migration from HTC Sensation under 
Android 4.x to this smartphone. 

K-9 refuses to write to the external SD although all necessary rights have been 
granted. 

I always have to copy and paste the files manually to the SD! 




 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: "Gunter Königsmann" 
Gesendet: 26. Dezember 2018 20:45:42 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

In my Android phone it is able to write to the card.

Might it be that your phone contains a security mechanism of some kind for
files on the SD card?

Am Mi., 26. Dez. 2018, 18:32 hat Tim Godfrey 
geschrieben:

> This is still an issue.  Is anyone aware of a workaround?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Godfrey wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have K9 on Note 4.  There is an Account Setting for Storage for every
>> account. The storage location is set to External Storage (SD Card).
>>
>> In my internal storage
>> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there are thousands of
>> files.
>> In /storage/extSdCard/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there is nothing
>> (empty directory)
>>
>> Furthermore in Global Settings, Miscellaneous, Save Attachements To is
>> set to /storage/extSdCard/K9_attach.
>> That folder exists, and is writable. (I just exported settings and saved
>> there).  However all the attachments are in local storage in files like
>> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files/4456
>>
>>
>> There are no error messages. Why is K9 using the wrong storage?
>>
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-26 Thread Gunter Königsmann 
In my Android phone it is able to write to the card.

Might it be that your phone contains a security mechanism of some kind for
files on the SD card?

Am Mi., 26. Dez. 2018, 18:32 hat Tim Godfrey 
geschrieben:

> This is still an issue.  Is anyone aware of a workaround?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Godfrey wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have K9 on Note 4.  There is an Account Setting for Storage for every
>> account. The storage location is set to External Storage (SD Card).
>>
>> In my internal storage
>> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there are thousands of
>> files.
>> In /storage/extSdCard/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there is nothing
>> (empty directory)
>>
>> Furthermore in Global Settings, Miscellaneous, Save Attachements To is
>> set to /storage/extSdCard/K9_attach.
>> That folder exists, and is writable. (I just exported settings and saved
>> there).  However all the attachments are in local storage in files like
>> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files/4456
>>
>>
>> There are no error messages. Why is K9 using the wrong storage?
>>
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-26 Thread Uwe Deutscher 
This still is an annoying issue and has been for a very long time now.

The only workaround is to copy and paste manually, which is an extraordinary 
stupid one!

This is definitly a priority one New Year's proposition for the developing team!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Tim Godfrey 
Gesendet: 26. Dezember 2018 18:32:40 MEZ
An: K-9 Mail 
Betreff: [k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

This is still an issue.  Is anyone aware of a workaround? 



On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Godfrey wrote:
>
>
> I have K9 on Note 4.  There is an Account Setting for Storage for every 
> account. The storage location is set to External Storage (SD Card). 
>
> In my internal storage  
> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there are thousands of 
> files. 
> In /storage/extSdCard/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there is nothing 
> (empty directory)
>
> Furthermore in Global Settings, Miscellaneous, Save Attachements To is set 
> to /storage/extSdCard/K9_attach. 
> That folder exists, and is writable. (I just exported settings and saved 
> there).  However all the attachments are in local storage in files like 
> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files/4456
>
>
> There are no error messages. Why is K9 using the wrong storage? 
>
>


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[k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-12-26 Thread Tim Godfrey 
This is still an issue.  Is anyone aware of a workaround? 



On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:37:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Godfrey wrote:
>
>
> I have K9 on Note 4.  There is an Account Setting for Storage for every 
> account. The storage location is set to External Storage (SD Card). 
>
> In my internal storage  
> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there are thousands of 
> files. 
> In /storage/extSdCard/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files,  there is nothing 
> (empty directory)
>
> Furthermore in Global Settings, Miscellaneous, Save Attachements To is set 
> to /storage/extSdCard/K9_attach. 
> That folder exists, and is writable. (I just exported settings and saved 
> there).  However all the attachments are in local storage in files like 
> /storage/emulated/0/Android/data/com.fsck.k9/files/4456
>
>
> There are no error messages. Why is K9 using the wrong storage? 
>
>

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[k-9-mail] Re: K9 doesn't write to sd card

2018-05-17 Thread Michel GRIGAUT 
Same problem on Galaxy Note 3.
Fresh K9 Mail installed in May 2018

On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:28:15 AM UTC+1, yemaya.s...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I just installed k9 because I read k9 can store emails onto the SD card. 
> However I can't make it work.in the settings I changed the download 
> folder to storage/extSdCard/Android/data/com.fsck.k9 , but k9 cant put the 
> downloads here. I get error message. In the account settings I use storage 
> location is external SD card, but k9 keeps on using the internal storage. 
>
> I guess it has to do something with the write/ read allowances for the SD 
> card? In other apps I get a screen where I have to set this before the app 
> is able to use the SD card. I have a Samsung tablet 2016 with android 6.
>
> Can somebody help me with this?
>
>

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