Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Thanks Mr McCabe-Dansted. But...
I stopped reading when I saw LXDE. I'm on wmii now! At the moment.
I came back. Because I was writhing the last words in this mail 'bout send.
So. Don't feed a troll. Just know the facts. This is X + wmii. And it was GNOME
some hours before.
I also installed some greenish famous distribution with KDE. And I always use
htop.
Guess what I was doing? I was looking to the lines in htop at tty0, finding
strings with mysql and akonadi and did this
###
while ${infinity} ; do
k 9 Enter ;
done
###
Ok? I came back to this -- Debian -- my last year OS. It's not compiled, it's
just the most stable
in the world. And I'd rather rm -rf all on my partition with KDE-based distro.
So this is the question:
Who ARE these people whom KDE MORONS love more than average users?
WHY? AND HOW MUCH WAS IT COST?
So as we say in Russia - You have *send* me.
So thanks.
I will say everywhere that - Mr McCabe-Dansted has send an enthusiast kde user.
You probably know what it means. It probably means go away.
Ok I'm away from KDE. Are you happy?
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Sorry my mistakes. I will not google how to check'em cause I'm _tired_ to
google how to get clear and user-friendly KDE.
O, OK. This is well-know mister hacker. Eric Raymonds.
This is his Jargon File.
And my teacher of computing also teached us these words.
http://catb.org/jargon/html/E/elegant.html
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The French aviator, adventurer, and author Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, probably
best known for his classic children's book The Little Prince, was also an
aircraft designer.
He gave us perhaps the best definition of engineering elegance when he said
“A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to
add,
but when there is _nothing_ _left_ _to_ _take_ _away_.”
--
Sorry Mr McCabe-Dansted. Probably you mean that I must blame kde-dev mailing
list
not this one.
Regards
From (the rush hour) Russia with love (and look at the newspapers, our politics
don't hear people,
but people in Internet wish them such kind of disaster that it's better to
politics to go away right know
_before_ the storm not after.)
On 31.03.2012 at 9:07 AM, John McCabe-Dansted gma...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I'm not KDE developer but my understanding is that they
consider
Akonadi is has a good design, and so using Akonadi is meant to
ultimately allow application developers to develop more reliable
apps
by building on top of it.
I doubt rehashing this argument will do much good; it would seem
better to just choose a desktop environment that reflects your
values.
Have you considered LXDE? It doesn't have any cool features, only
the bare essentials but those features are all well designed,
reliable
and fast. All the desktop environments are fast on a Core i7 +
SSD...
usually..., but sometimes Gnome and KDE will slow down and a have
to
leave to computer for few minutes before it becomes usable again.
In
my experience, LXDE is *always* fast on a modern machine.
--
John C. McCabe-Dansted
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Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Not! Not and not! === check-in -- check-out any? === I'm not on Gentoo. But I know and love it. It's Debian! I was removing .desktop files and autostart entries, I was finding forum threads which adviced to `chmod -x ./akonadi*`, I was trying to aptitude `--without-recommends`. And e-v-e-r-y t-i-m-e I will install KDE I will have to disable AkoStriNepoVirt again. Oh I'd rather stay with GNOME. It's so stuped. But stuped are more alive than exited with KDE semantic desktop search in google how not to search in files. I just wanna live. Probably without KDE. They don't need us they need their mails... Regards From Russia with love. On 31.03.2012 at 9:11 AM, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/31/12 08:29, KDE lover but not user wrote: Why do I need email dispatching while I am offline? Mail dispatcher agent? fetchmail? luasocket? python smtplib? I'd rather use my phone? google://mail dispatcher agent gave a lot of titles with words Error, [SOLVED], showing something strange, can't, Annoying, Bug and nothing else about description So avoid me frommail dis-patch-er a-gent. Akonadi, strigi, virtuoso and nepomuk. There are more words of this cool feature then even about base apps. I only need Kwin, Dolphin and Kate. Why do I need face these warriors when i only need to read and write text? No more text? Only features? For whom? Forums are full of disabling, changing executable permission, deleting and words Disaster. Serginho like it sounds in Portuguese. Yes it's true. From Russia with love. On 31.03.2012 at 6:01 AM, Sérgio Bastoser...@serjux.com wrote:Specially wtf is documentation about akonadi ? why we don't know wtf is a mail dispatcher agent for example ? On Sat, 2012-03-31 at 04:51 +0400, randomm...@mac.hush.com wrote: There is Linus Torwalds. And there is me. I was born at the same holiday as him. And I will be talking as he. Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? Who was this *** MORON who decided that people need it? Tell us all the users of KDE How much money did you get to say this *** shit about it it useful. Please tell us the truth if not you are anyway MORONS. Regards From RUSSIA with love ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. You did manage to disable it right? ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
I have not read all your mail. Because I was reading your mail some time before. I noticed your cool word akonadification. And the method that you are describing is clear. I saw it first a little bit before in Opennet.ru forum. Some man mentioned about kde,libs,pim and USE. And I think that he also read your description before. Thanks. It is very good explanation. Thanks again. God bless you. But for me to install Gentoo is about 8 hours of work because I'm every time rereading Handbook to make the installation in right as-developers-said way. Gentoo is nice. And I'm Gentoo-ish in mind. But this is my 'transit' computer-box for now and I installed other not source-based distribution. But in console way. Of cource. :) Probably it is my fate - if I'm a linux user and like KDE and KDE is crazy now for compiled distributions, the only way is to use the best and the most professional distribution Gentoo. But all the other users will be waisting their time to get rid of semantic. Now I will go to read your mail. I haven't read it first because I really wanted to say you some words of respect for your explanation which I saw before. Please don't think about cyrillic something wrong. They are polite. And they also like the truth and justice. -- Regards Serginho On 31.03.2012 at 10:32 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: KDE lover but not user posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:59:04 +0400 as excerpted: Akonadi, strigi, virtuoso and nepomuk. There are more words of this cool feature then even about base apps. I only need Kwin, Dolphin and Kate. Why do I need face these warriors when i only need to read and write text? No more text? Only features? For whom? Forums are full of disabling, changing executable permission, deleting and words Disaster. FWIW, I run gentoo here, and as long as you're not using any kdepim apps (which due to deps, some at the kde and some at the gentoo level, requires akonadi, which in turn forces on gentoo's USE=semantic- desktop and with it, nepomuk, virtuoso, etc), it's possible to set USE=- semantic- desktop and build without all that cpu and memory hogging junk. Ironically, it was only after the kmail akonadification persuaded me to get off it (claws-mail now) and all kdepim apps entirely (akregator was the other one I used, again claws-mail now, with the feed plugin), allowing me to kill akonadi and then the whole semantic-desktop, that I really began to seriously appreciate and fully enjoy the rest of kde4, to the same extent that I had kde3.5.7+. Ironic, because the semantic- desktop stuff was one of the big headline features of kde4... kde4 runs WAY faster with all that semantic-desktop stuff not only disabled, but entirely configured out at build-time. Seriously, I had forgotten what a fast and responsive desktop was, and I rather felt like the MSWormOS users do after finding out how much resources either the viruses or their scan-on-use AV was using, and how much it was slowing down the system! It was as if I upgraded by a half-gigahertz or got a couple extra cpu cores, just for killing that stuff! But... as John MC-D said, there's a lot of other choices out there besides kde. If kde's not doing it for you and you can't configure it to your liking so it does do it for you, definitely find something else, as I did with kmail when it akonadified, switching to the gtk-based claws- mail. Killing the semantic-desktop stuff (akonadi, nepomuk, virtuoso, etc) definitely dramatically improved the rest of the kde experience for me, but it's not something that just anyone will be able to do... not everyone runs gentoo and/or builds from source, and if you're running a binary-based distro, those choices are made for you by the folks that build it. FWIW, there's still a build/link dependencies on strigi for kdelibs here, so it's still installed, but it's built without the clucene or hyperestraier options, and nepomuk, etc, is disabled (and not installed) via USE=-semantic-desktop, so it's pretty neutered as it has no backends to use. It's providing the deps that kdelibs appears to need and that's about it. And strigi itself, without its backends, is a pretty fast build, certainly so compared to kdelibs. Meanwhile, kde5, aka kde frameworks, is planned to modularize things far more (thus the frameworks bit), and hopefully that'll allow even the users of binary distros that default to semantic-desktop support to entirely opt-out of installing it if they don't want/need it, without forcing a rebuild just to get at what is now build-time-only options, in many cases. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives:
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
(claws-mail now) May I ask? The user whom I was talking to is one from the capital and we spoke not about OS but about cars. And then I knew that he uses Gentoo. I was excited. Probably his scheme is now my scheme. He uses Debian for server and Gentoo for notebook. And Gentoo with clear KDE. Only _kde_libs. No GTK+. Not for war. Do you prefer to use only kde apps to keep everything in one style and probably spirit? Thanks. Regards Serginho FWIW, I run gentoo here, and as long as you're not using any kdepim apps (which due to deps, some at the kde and some at the gentoo level, requires akonadi, which in turn forces on gentoo's USE=semantic- desktop and with it, nepomuk, virtuoso, etc), it's possible to set USE=- semantic- desktop and build without all that cpu and memory hogging junk. Ironically, it was only after the kmail akonadification persuaded me to get off it (claws-mail now) and all kdepim apps entirely (akregator was the other one I used, again claws-mail now, with the feed plugin), allowing me to kill akonadi and then the whole semantic-desktop, that I really began to seriously appreciate and fully enjoy the rest of kde4, to the same extent that I had kde3.5.7+. Ironic, because the semantic- desktop stuff was one of the big headline features of kde4... ... ... ... ... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Serginho posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:51:57 +0400 as excerpted: Now I will go to read your mail. I haven't read it first because I really wanted to say you some words of respect for your explanation which I saw before. Thanks. Please don't think about cyrillic something wrong. They are polite. And they also like the truth and justice. Don't worry. I understand your frustration. If you have a bit of time and are curious, go back and look at my posts around the time of kde 4.2.5, which is when I switched to kde4 (because they were dropping support for kde3 when kde4 clearly wasn't a properly working replacement yet, but they were pretty much forcing people to switch anyway, due to the dropped kde3 support, even after very publicly promising to support it as long as there were users), and you'll see my frustration, too. Or to a lessor degree, check out my posts on kmail and akonadi during the kdepim 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 era. But ultimately, I decided it was my MAIL they were playing games with now, and I had had enough. Thus the switch to claws-mail, and ultimately a full drop of kdepim, akonadi, and kde's semantic-desktop stuff. And I'm far better off for it! =:^) So while your posts aren't exactly the most polite I've seen, I see in them the mark of desperation and frustration I myself have gone thru. Like me, if you didn't care about kde, you'd not be bothering to stick around and complain, you'd simply switch to something else. I therefore have a respect for you and the trouble you're going thru. I don't have a lot of solutions, unless you /do/ build from source, but I can suggest getting off of anything kdepim related, at least, probably the sooner, the better. And I can hope that you too find a solution that works well for you, regardless of what it happens to be. =:^) I wonder if there's a kde4-desktop-based binary distro somewhere that never-the-less defaults to disabling at build-time all the semantic- desktop stuff, and running something else for mail (probably claws-mail as it seems one of the better all-around mail clients for those coming off kmail, too bad there's not a basic non-akonadified qt or kde based mail alternative)? I'd sure like to know about it if so, as I'd have surely referred a number of folks to it to at least try, by now. Chances are if there's not one yet, there might be one on the way. Hopefully there's someone working on a nice, solid, non-akonadified qt-based mail client, too. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Serginho posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:02:44 +0400 as excerpted: May I ask? The user whom I was talking to is one from the capital and we spoke not about OS but about cars. And then I knew that he uses Gentoo. I was excited. Probably his scheme is now my scheme. He uses Debian for server and Gentoo for notebook. And Gentoo with clear KDE. Only _kde_libs. No GTK+. Not for war. Do you prefer to use only kde apps to keep everything in one style and probably spirit? I use a number of gtk+ apps and have gtk2 installed, but no gtk3 and no gnome. Among the gtk apps I use are firefox (browser), claws-mail (mail, feed- reader), pan (nntp/news), and the gimp (image editor). On the kde side, they replace konqueror as a browser (tho it's still installed as an alternative browser), kmail for mail, akregator for feeds, pan for news (from when I first switched to Linux, knode simply sucks in comparison), and krita/kolourpaint (kolourpaint is still installed and I use it, but it unfortunately doesn't deal with a full transparency channel; krita does, but I found it unintuitive and poorly documented compared to the gimp, and krita's dependencies were quite heavy as well, so it's no longer installed). The kde colorscheme settings have an option to use them for non-kde apps as well, and with it checked gtk apps fit in well /enough/ for me. I'd prefer to have actually workable qt-based or kde apps instead, but for the above, the gtk-based options are clearly better, so that's what I'm using. (For the browser, google's chrome isn't an option as I don't do proprietary/servantware, and while chromium is freedomware, it's not their main browser focus, chrome is. By contrast, Mozilla's main focus is the freedomware firefox. Plus, firefox's extension ecosystem is much more developed and mature. Noscript was one of the big reasons I switched, and requestpolicy is another extension I'd be hard pressed to do without now. AFAIK there's nothing even close to noscript's features and proven workability over time, for chromium.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Duncan wrote: Chances are if there's not one yet, there might be one on the way. Hopefully there's someone working on a nice, solid, non-akonadified qt-based mail client, too. http://www.betterinbox.com/ Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Saturday, 2012-03-31, randomm...@mac.hush.com wrote: There is Linus Torwalds. And there is me. I was born at the same holiday as him. And I will be talking as he. Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? I can't speak for the other users on this list, but I for myself did not pay for it since I am using a gratis distribution (Debian). Who did you pay for it? Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Sérgio Basto wrote: Specially wtf is documentation about akonadi ? why we don't know wtf is a mail dispatcher agent for example ? Software infrastructure such as libraries and helper processes are often only documented in developer levle documentation, e.g. API documentation, text files within the version control system used for the software's source code, within the source code itself. However, KDE, as a lot of other Free Software initiatives, is open for contributions from all people, not just developers. So if anyone wants to contribute user level documentation for any of those software components they are very welcome to do so. My understanding is that this is a rather straight forward process, basically just logging into userbase.kde.org and creating a new page or adding to an already existing one. For the question at hand my take would be that a mail dispatcher agent is a helper program (agent) that dispatches mail (most likely meaning e-mail). Assuming those two items are correct, a mail dispatcher agent would be a program that sends e-mails on behave of other programs. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim or plasma-themes, so being unclear about what it did, plus the below, I just figured it wasn't worth trying.) Also, IIRC there were issues with it and for example qt-4.8, according to the gentoo/qt and/or gentoo/kde project meeting reports, which I follow when they're posted to the gentoo/desktop list. IIRC they triggered segfaults in gtk-based apps for a bit, so I've been a bit cautious about trying it. But I think that's fixed now and hopefully there won't be similar issues in the future, so I might try it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Just wanted to point out trojita - a new version was released days ago (yesterday?), and contributions seem to be picking up. And then there is always Thunderbird, which is also cross-platform for those who have to use Windows or Mac OS X sometimes. With the right stuff on your server you even get synchronised contacts and calendars with your smartphone, even without Google knowing all your appointments and contacts (see http://patrick-nagel.net/blog/archives/389 - an article I wrote about my sync setup recently). But it's sad that we are proposing non-KDE e-mail clients on this list, I used to love kmail, a few years back. Seriously hope they can turn kdepim into something useful again at some point. (Sorry for top-posting, when I tried to write a proper e-mail with K9-Mail last time, it ended up looking totally destroyed, so I just stick with the default setting for now) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:53:55 +0200 as excerpted: On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Duncan wrote: Chances are if there's not one yet, there might be one on the way. Hopefully there's someone working on a nice, solid, non-akonadified qt-based mail client, too. http://www.betterinbox.com/ Thanks. That's still very new and gmail-only ATM apparently, but it definitely looks to be worth watching, and I wasn't aware of it yet. So yes indeed, thanks. =:^) FWIW, there's also the still fairly new trojita. Qt4-based, but IMAP- only, unfortunately, which isn't going to help for users with POP3 (and webmail, but ugh!) providers only. As I'm in that category... But I'd be tempted if my providers did IMAP. http://trojita.flaska.net/ -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. -- Sent from my phone. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:45:12 +0200 as excerpted: On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:53:55 +0200 as excerpted: http://www.betterinbox.com/ Yeah, they are a pretty new startup and obviously need to prioritze. I was only aware of them because they are users of *and* contributors to email related KDE libraries. I saw mention of that on the webpage. That /is/ nice! =:^) Something we will hopefully see more often when the frameworks effort makes individual components more visible as stand-alone entities (which they often already are, just not visible as such). FWIW, I don't believe I've mentioned it yet, but while I wasn't particularly impressed with the kde sc rename, I do like the idea as extended into (what I've read of) kde frameworks. Between the greater kde modularization and the migration of some current kdelibs functionality into qt5 (which is from what I read itself tilting toward more modularization), it sounds to me like a universally required kdelibs will be much smaller, and that it's going to be a better deal for users, distro-maintainers and kde devs all three, with more dependency flexibility and a more explicitly specified dependency chain, which should lead to fewer end-user visible bugs and less work trying to get the splits right at the distro level. =:^) If the module releases are desynchronized as well, as I've read is being discussed, letting the modules evolve at their own rate, it could be a good thing. OTOH, that comes with its own issues, as I'm sure the modular-xorg folks now talking about reintegrating can tell you. So I'm not sure about that bit of it but I'm not negative on it, just waiting to see how it turns out, as of course I am for all of qt5/kde5. =:^) FWIW, there's also the still fairly new trojita. Qt4-based, but IMAP-only, unfortunately, which isn't going to help for users with POP3 (and webmail, but ugh!) providers only. As I'm in that category... But I'd be tempted if my providers did IMAP. You could use it with a local IMAP server and use system level agents for mail gathering, e.g. fetchmail. I actually did think about it. But decided that was biting off more than I could chew at that point, especially as I wanted off kmail for 4.7.0, which was fast approaching when I was doing my research. Still, learning all about running my own mail servers, MTAs (mail transfer agents), etc, has for years been on my list of things I'd eventually like to try. As I've learned stuff like how to run and configure my own md/raid, ntpd, dns, etc, and crossed it off that list, mail gets closer and closer to the top... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
2012/3/31 Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com Specially wtf is documentation about akonadi ? why we don't know wtf is a mail dispatcher agent for example ? Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? Who was this *** MORON who decided that people need it? Tell us all the users of KDE How much money did you get to say this *** shit about it it useful. Please tell us the truth if not you are anyway MORONS. Yess. The moment that I saw KDE4 grabbing MySQL I dumped it (after using it for years) I did not even bother to try an reconfigure it to get rid of the sh1t The bullshit brigade have arrived, so time to go I guess. -- Went to Gnome. This was also 'crufty' but I have spent a bit of time making it [ bearably ] usable. Thunderbird as mailer ets. etc.. The Sad gits are trying to make Gnome look like an Apple by the looks of it :-/. I'm not too bothered tho, with a bit of fiddling, one can ignore most of that stuff, and get on with interesting things instead :) TTFN R ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 31/03/12 13:07, Duncan wrote: But I think that's fixed now and hopefully there won't be similar issues in the future, so I might try it. It only takes 2 minutes max to try it. 1 minutes for emerging, and a few seconds to paste the settings to ~/.gtkrc-2.0. No reboot or restart needed. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:45:12 +0200 as excerpted: On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Duncan wrote: Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:53:55 +0200 as excerpted: http://www.betterinbox.com/ Yeah, they are a pretty new startup and obviously need to prioritze. I was only aware of them because they are users of *and* contributors to email related KDE libraries. I saw mention of that on the webpage. That /is/ nice! =:^) Indeed :) Btw, I believe that ksmtp is fully their work, so their contributions are more than just a couple of changes here and there! One thing I forgot to write previously is that since they seem to use IMAP and SMTP, the client will likely also work with other mail service providers. Being a company they probably want their official documentation to only list ones they have tested with but not meaning that it doesn't work with others. Something we will hopefully see more often when the frameworks effort makes individual components more visible as stand-alone entities (which they often already are, just not visible as such). FWIW, I don't believe I've mentioned it yet, but while I wasn't particularly impressed with the kde sc rename Yes, a concession towards the media, they like to have one name that addresses the whole portfolio :-/ The SC name is not needed if one refers to the products individually but the impression was that news outlets would not do that for KDE while regularily doing it for other vendors. I do like the idea as extended into (what I've read of) kde frameworks. Between the greater kde modularization and the migration of some current kdelibs functionality into qt5 (which is from what I read itself tilting toward more modularization) Qt4 is already quite modular, i.e. its libraries usually don't depend on each other (each one depending usually just in QtCore) and application developers can easily decide which ones to explicitly use. My understanding is that on top of that Qt5 modularization is mainly changing how Qt is built, e.g. specialized libraries having their own repositories and not needing to be switched on or off when building Qt. Not sure how much of a change in this direction we'll see from KDE Frameworks 5, but I am not following it that closely so that might be applicable as well. , it sounds to me like a universally required kdelibs will be much smaller, and that it's going to be a better deal for users, distro-maintainers and kde devs all three, with more dependency flexibility and a more explicitly specified dependency chain, which should lead to fewer end-user visible bugs and less work trying to get the splits right at the distro level. =:^) I am not sure it will make a difference for users since dependencies are handled automatically already anyway, but my guess is that the added flexibility will incur some extra cost for developers and especially packagers. Right now application developers already specify which frameworks their application is using, e.g. whether it needs KWallet. However it is not necessary to make the build system search for them individually, their presence is satisfied by just looking for kdelibs. This then extends into the packaging realm, i.e. a kdelibs package satisfying the need for any application using whatever component. Increased granularity will very likely make that a bit more complex, though I don't know whether it will be used at all levels (i.e. whether packagers will create individual package for components or just create a kdelibs package as usual). If the module releases are desynchronized as well, as I've read is being discussed, letting the modules evolve at their own rate, it could be a good thing. True, but I don't think this will be employed anytime soon, at least not for the traditional modules. Faster moving products like Plasma on the other hand might switch to separately released libraries sooner. FWIW, there's also the still fairly new trojita. Qt4-based, but IMAP-only, unfortunately, which isn't going to help for users with POP3 (and webmail, but ugh!) providers only. As I'm in that category... But I'd be tempted if my providers did IMAP. You could use it with a local IMAP server and use system level agents for mail gathering, e.g. fetchmail. I actually did think about it. But decided that was biting off more than I could chew at that point, especially as I wanted off kmail for 4.7.0, which was fast approaching when I was doing my research. Still, learning all about running my own mail servers, MTAs (mail transfer agents), etc, has for years been on my list of things I'd eventually like to try. As I've learned stuff like how to run and configure my own md/raid, ntpd, dns, etc, and crossed it off that list, mail gets closer and closer to the top... I can relate to that, I also never seem to find the time to look into these topics
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On 2012/03/31 08:20 (GMT) Duncan composed: I wonder if there's a kde4-desktop-based binary distro somewhere that never-the-less defaults to disabling at build-time all the semantic- desktop stuff A simple non-semantic option (not default) apparently is in the works for openSUSE: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00675.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On 2012/03/31 11:13 (GMT+0200) Kevin Krammer composed: However, KDE, as a lot of other Free Software initiatives, is open for contributions from all people, not just developers. So if anyone wants to contribute user level documentation for any of those software components they are very welcome to do so. My understanding is that this is a rather straight forward process, basically just logging into userbase.kde.org and creating a new page or adding to an already existing one. That a mere mortal user _can_ contribute documentation doesn't account for the knowledge of what to write. It's the devs who know what capabilities and methods for utilizing them are being put in, not ordinary users, no matter what writing talents they have to offer. I doubt many users with the urge to contribute have the clairvoyance to know what the devs are thinking or the talent to read sources to figure out what to write. I once accepted a job to write official documentation for an app. All I was given was a beta of the app and a PC to compose on. I got nowhere trying to write anything. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/03/31 11:13 (GMT+0200) Kevin Krammer composed: However, KDE, as a lot of other Free Software initiatives, is open for contributions from all people, not just developers. So if anyone wants to contribute user level documentation for any of those software components they are very welcome to do so. My understanding is that this is a rather straight forward process, basically just logging into userbase.kde.org and creating a new page or adding to an already existing one. That a mere mortal user _can_ contribute documentation doesn't account for the knowledge of what to write. I assumed that it was obvious that writing about some topic required some knowledge about it as well as some writing skills and a decent mastery of the target language. Of course somebody without the necessary skills or information, a mere mortal user as you put it, can't contribute that way. Doesn't make the contribution process less open. And personally I don't by this characterisation at all. Most people have decent writing skills and more knowledge than they might take credit for. It's the devs who know what capabilities and methods for utilizing them are being put in, not ordinary users, no matter what writing talents they have to offer. Creating something is not the only source of knowledge about that something. Granted Stephen Hawkins or other great physists are probably the primary source of information regarding current phyiscs theories, yet I doubt that any one of them wrote the wikpedia page on string theory. I doubt many users with the urge to contribute have the clairvoyance to know what the devs are thinking or the talent to read sources to figure out what to write. I doubt that as well. Yet magically way more complex things get written about on wikipedia. Maybe that's what those Nobel price winners do in their labs all day. Or maybe I am the only person who doesn't know all about string theory and everyone else could have easily written those wiki entries. A somewhat less plausible theory is that someone with interest in such an advanced topic had read some books or even research papers on that topic and created the wiki pages based on what they've learned. Maybe someone who wrote such a book or paper even bothered to correct mistakes or misunderstandings. But as you already showed, mere mortals don't read books or papers on advanced physics so it must have been those Nobel laureats. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:27:51 +0200 Kevin Krammer articulated: On Saturday, 2012-03-31, Felix Miata wrote: On 2012/03/31 11:13 (GMT+0200) Kevin Krammer composed: However, KDE, as a lot of other Free Software initiatives, is open for contributions from all people, not just developers. So if anyone wants to contribute user level documentation for any of those software components they are very welcome to do so. My understanding is that this is a rather straight forward process, basically just logging into userbase.kde.org and creating a new page or adding to an already existing one. That a mere mortal user _can_ contribute documentation doesn't account for the knowledge of what to write. I assumed that it was obvious that writing about some topic required some knowledge about it as well as some writing skills and a decent mastery of the target language. Of course somebody without the necessary skills or information, a mere mortal user as you put it, can't contribute that way. Doesn't make the contribution process less open. And personally I don't by this characterisation at all. Most people have decent writing skills and more knowledge than they might take credit for. It's the devs who know what capabilities and methods for utilizing them are being put in, not ordinary users, no matter what writing talents they have to offer. Creating something is not the only source of knowledge about that something. Granted Stephen Hawkins or other great physists are probably the primary source of information regarding current phyiscs theories, yet I doubt that any one of them wrote the wikpedia page on string theory. I doubt many users with the urge to contribute have the clairvoyance to know what the devs are thinking or the talent to read sources to figure out what to write. I doubt that as well. Yet magically way more complex things get written about on wikipedia. Maybe that's what those Nobel price winners do in their labs all day. Or maybe I am the only person who doesn't know all about string theory and everyone else could have easily written those wiki entries. A somewhat less plausible theory is that someone with interest in such an advanced topic had read some books or even research papers on that topic and created the wiki pages based on what they've learned. Maybe someone who wrote such a book or paper even bothered to correct mistakes or misunderstandings. But as you already showed, mere mortals don't read books or papers on advanced physics so it must have been those Nobel laureats. It is a well accepted fact that the worst writer for a specific project is usually the person who designed the project to begin with. They usually fail to grasp the simple concept that someone is not able to grasp a simple to them concept. Professional writers who specialize in writing documentation spend a great deal of time with both the author/developer of said device or software and then observe over an extended period of time just what happens when a normal user is exposed to the device/software sans any written instructions. This is fundamentally different from an author submitting a document on string theory for Wikipedia. That author has very likely studied the subject at length in a university or some other institute. He/she did not just pluck the knowledge out of thin air. I will agree with one of your statements however, specifically the reference to mere mortals and advanced physics. After graduating from college, the average individual will never again read a book on advanced physics or even calculus for that matter. I am sure you are familiar with the phase, A poorly written help manual is worse than no manual at all. The same applies here. Misleading or incomplete information is worse than no information at all. FOSS sans concise documentation has been its albatross since day 1. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Thanks for all the answers. (And the question was -- who _paid_ them to destroy KDE. :) ) -- Serginho From Russia with love ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
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Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:33:13 +0400 Serginho randomm...@mac.hush.com wrote: Thanks for all the answers. (And the question was -- who _paid_ them to destroy KDE. :) ) Well if one was somewhat cynical one would say either the gnome brigade or MS but i think it is just poor decision making and poor choices Pete . -- Linux 7-of-9 3.2.13-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Mar 24 09:10:39 CET 2012 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9600B Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:19:00 +0300 as excerpted: On 31/03/12 13:07, Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim Btw, what's window trim? Window decorations, in kde settings (under workspace appearance). There's an oxygen choice there, altho I've been using the kde2 choice. There's also the oxygen style under application appearance (which I do use), and there's the workspace (aka plasma) themes (below), which have an oxygen choice as well. There's also the oxygen icon theme and the oxygen color scheme. With all those bits labeled oxygen but each bit being different, it wasn't immediately clear to me which of those oxygen-gtk emulated for gtk apps. And since in some cases I run the oxygen choice and in others I've chosen something else or entirely customized things, I simply didn't think about which of them oxygen-gtk /could/ reasonably emulate, but instead was just punting based on the assumed complexity and previous negative experience with rather different cross-toolkit solutions. See below. or plasma-themes I don't think Plasma is relevant to anything Gtk. I believe you're correct, but I hadn't resolved it at that level until your clarification. I was simply looking at the fact that there's a lot of different components that come under the oxygen label, and thinking about the complexity at that level, without realizing that in reality, only the oxygen widgets style component made sense in that context... the rest really didn't/couldn't apply. Additionally, I believe I was thinking about the curve style that could be applied to both gtk/gnome and qt/kde at one point, but at least from the kde side, was rather a step down from kde's native styling. I had tried that at some point and almost immediately killed it, and I guess I thought this was something similar, so wasn't particularly interested. But as it's more a port of native kde styling to gtk, while keeping kde native styling the way it is, instead of stooping to the lowest common denominator, it's now far more appealing to me. You were the one that explained that to me, and for that I can thank you. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Felix Miata posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:18:58 -0400 as excerpted: On 2012/03/31 08:20 (GMT) Duncan composed: I wonder if there's a kde4-desktop-based binary distro somewhere that never-the-less defaults to disabling at build-time all the semantic- desktop stuff A simple non-semantic option (not default) apparently is in the works for openSUSE: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00675.html Very cool indeed! =:^) As I explained, many of the choices must be made at build-time, implying that distros must choose at build-time to support or not, and since support all possible features as /someone/ will want them tends to be the natural default, that's the default most distros are likely to ship. Which leaves an opening for a distro that emphasizes NOT turning such stuff on, especially when it comes with the costs that semantic-desktop does in kde. That's what I expected. This solution, instead, seems to be an alternate OpenSuSE package set that turns this stuff off. I had figured that would be seen as too much complexity for the distro to support, but it seems OpenSuSE is continuing to innovate in this area among others (the build-service, etc). That's a pleasant surprise indeed, tho in hindsight, it does fit in reasonably well with the other stuff (like the build service) that OpenSuSE is doing, and in fact, from a purely external viewpoint, I'd say the probability that the build service was used for this project is pretty high. But it's exactly the sort of innovation that from what I've read, they have in mind with the provision of the build service in the first place. So major kudos! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
Kevin Krammer posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:27:51 +0200 as excerpted: Creating something is not the only source of knowledge about that something. Granted Stephen Hawkins or other great physists are probably the primary source of information regarding current phyiscs theories, yet I doubt that any one of them wrote the wikpedia page on string theory. Hmm... That's a perfect nomination to LWN's quote-of-the week. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
I personally don't think there is much wrong with it other than it's clearly crap software that needs writing by some one who knows what they are doing when low level functionality and speed is needed and the rest of the machine needs to carry on functioning. It smacks of c++ high level app programmers. The whole area stinks. I was utterly gob smacked when I found out what was being stored away and since I have disabled that general problem my machines still goes away at times and the drives clunk away for at least 5 secs. At it's shortest when that happens I type ahead by 3 to 4 characters - that makes me wonder what the hell is going on. Just how can something interfere with the keyboard to screen timing and hope people wont notice. It's worse than the response i would expect from an acoustic modem plus teletype and mediocre junk on the other end. What do I have running. kmail sometimes, maybe a couple of minimised okulars and opera with anything up to 20 tabs and maybe one or two other opera windows. I use opera because it's a reasonable replacement for konq. It has similar capabilities tab wise. They have also usefully replaced a toolbar with a drop down. I should add not running kmails makes no real difference. :-) well lol I am still on the same open suse I mentioned last time. Why. well I have rolled back changes to kernal functions that allow me to access a nas - totally crippled for no really good reason rather than being killed at the users request when they need it. The alternative is to sit there and wait for kde or what ever to get a server up and running - why I don't know cause I very definitely don't need it. Not that it works very well when it's running either because of more crippling elsewhere. If I can't click launch a pdf or a video from a nas or save to it I ain't interested in it. And no upgrade above all because it works. Use the kde facility at your peril - the distro one aint that safe either. I'm only using it all because I like what's left of kde. The screen effects are attractive as well. I even find them useful. Oh and I have to reboot occasionally but fortunately not very often. The machine going awol is so extreme by the way that the graphics effects get turned off occasionally. I have also had little messages pop in the past stating that things are getting a little busy down there. Not sure where maybe it's in Australia . I suspect that may have been removed at some point but wonder about the overhead involved in monitoring it. Additionally of late I have to refresh a browser window after clicking on a pdf usually as result of a google search. If I don't a subsequent click on a pdf does absolutely nothing. I don't think this is down to opera. And the other problems most definitely aren't. Best wishes John From: randomm...@mac.hush.com randomm...@mac.hush.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2012, 1:51 Subject: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi? There is Linus Torwalds. And there is me. I was born at the same holiday as him. And I will be talking as he. Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? Who was this *** MORON who decided that people need it? Tell us all the users of KDE How much money did you get to say this *** shit about it it useful. Please tell us the truth if not you are anyway MORONS. Regards From RUSSIA with love ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 03/31/12 14:46, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 31/03/12 11:51, Duncan wrote:
[...]
The kde colorscheme settings have an option to use them for non-kde apps
as well, and with it checked gtk apps fit in well /enough/ for me. I'd
prefer to have actually workable qt-based or kde apps instead, but for
the above, the gtk-based options are clearly better, so that's what I'm
using.
In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen:
x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk
3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and
pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style.
Then, to enable Oxygen for Gtk 3 apps, create the file
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini and put this in it:
[Settings]
gtk-theme-name = oxygen-gtk
For Gtk 2 apps, use this as your ~/.gtkrc-2.0:
include /usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
include /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
gtk-theme-name=oxygen-gtk
gtk-icon-theme-name=oxygen
gtk-fallback-icon-theme=oxygen
Now Gtk applications will use Oxygen style widgets.
For Firefox, I recommend this:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=117962
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Where's the gtk3 theme? -
eix x11-themes/oxygen
* x11-themes/oxygen-gtk
Available versions:
(3) 1.0.1 ~1.0.2
(2) 1.2.1 ~1.2.2
{debug doc}
Homepage:
https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk
Description: Official GTK+:2 port of KDE's Oxygen widget style
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Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
On 03/31/12 14:28, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Saturday, 2012-03-31, randomm...@mac.hush.com wrote: There is Linus Torwalds. And there is me. I was born at the same holiday as him. And I will be talking as he. Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? I can't speak for the other users on this list, but I for myself did not pay for it since I am using a gratis distribution (Debian). Who did you pay for it? Cheers, Kevin Actually, as you know, Akonadi is a good idea, it should remain transparent to the user as NetworkManager does. The problem comes when it encounters it's bugs -- the HUGS number of bugs that KDE has which makes it's deployment in enterprise environments imposable. Honestly, KDE is a headache for admins, bugs here, bugs there, and there're new bugs with every release and everyone's talking about it. I think some of it's apps should be suspended form development... like 'kscd' and 'kmail' etc they never worked, and I don't think they ever will. In the mean time serious bugs like the buggy taskbar, kdesu/sudo integration and puseaudio input configuration is still broken. My personal opinion is, for the size of the KDE project, it's surely missing sponsors. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
