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--- Comment #29 from Michał Dybczak ---
Manuel, I just explained HOW MY BRAIN PROCESS IT AND I OR YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT.
No matter how you argue, it doesn't change anything. There is nothing to agree
or disagree upon. I can't disagree on how I feel, nor
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--- Comment #27 from Manuel Geißer ---
One thing I've learned now: Before judging a software project, look at how
developers act in its bug tracker. Then you will find out whether they are
friendly or unfriendly, competent or incompetent people. Man
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--- Comment #28 from Manuel Geißer ---
> I'd be quite interested in the scorcher Martin Keary alias Tantacrul would
> give
> you if he ever tested Present Windows or Overview...
Ah, I really can't wait for that scorcher... I need to contact Martin
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--- Comment #25 from Nate Graham ---
Yep, we mark comments as spam if they contribute nothing to the
discussion--such as your spiteful and passive-aggressive comment implying bad
faith on the part of the developers.
We care very much about the UX, we
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--- Comment #24 from Manuel Geißer ---
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Just in case anyone wants to enframe this conversation
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--- Comment #23 from Manuel Geißer ---
Okay, hiding my comments as spam - really?
Anyway, I think I have expressed my POV clearly and said everything that I
consider relevant. This conversations is now a waste of time. If you ever
happen to change your
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--- Comment #22 from Nate Graham ---
I know that this is a bit of a cultural difference. North Americans prefer to
persuade by describing effects, while central Europeans prefer to persuade by
describing principles. I get it. However in this case your
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--- Comment #21 from Manuel Geißer ---
Clarification to self about the Present Windows issues:
No one of ever wanted to fix them, it was all intentional. Surely devs as
capable as Nate, Vlad or David could have commented out the dimming and all the
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--- Comment #20 from Manuel Geißer ---
> everyone thinks they're right
Some give meaningful reasons, others don't.
> I am trying to help you be effective here.
I care about correct and comprehensible decisions, not necessarily about being
effective.
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--- Comment #19 from Nate Graham ---
Manuel, I am trying to help you be effective here.
You may have noticed that for all the walls of text, you have failed to
convince anyone of your viewpoint. Generally, getting things that you want done
is rarely
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--- Comment #18 from Manuel Geißer ---
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #14)
> 2. Thew more we argue, the less likely it is that we will agree on anything
> as we become more entrenched in our original positions.
I generally prefer good opposition
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--- Comment #17 from Manuel Geißer ---
(In reply to Nate Graham from comment #14)
> Two things are clear:
>
> 1. People use this effect in different ways based on what's most comfortable
> for them; one size does not fit all.
> 2. The more we argue,
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--- Comment #16 from Manuel Geißer ---
Oh, so to my bad luck this mis-feature got addded. And it seems it's not even
optional.
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--- Comment #14 from Nate Graham ---
Two things are clear:
1. People use this effect in different ways based on what's most comfortable
for them; one size does not fit all.
2. Thew more we argue, the less likely it is that we will agree on anything as
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--- Comment #13 from Manuel Geißer ---
too difficult *to identify
pardon
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--- Comment #12 from Manuel Geißer ---
Well, obviously I disagree very much.
> Without relatively big icons, the whole overview effect will become useless
> for me.
*With* icons it becomes useless. The purpose of an overview effect is to
quickly
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--- Comment #10 from Manuel Geißer ---
Oh, indeed it's optional in Present Windows! I never noticed that. What a
blunder. Did that option get added recently, or did I just overlook it?
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--- Comment #9 from apache ---
This discussion is pointless. Some will want it some don't.
Current Present windows options have show icons and display windows titles
options.
https://i.imgur.com/vkDW34H.png
I don't understand why some users have
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--- Comment #8 from Manuel Geißer ---
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Too large overlays
Here's an example from the old Present Windows that should illustrate the
problem.
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--- Comment #7 from Manuel Geißer ---
> [...] and as a consequence preview windows become small.
That's exactly why I dislike overlays on top of windows so much. They hide
content of previews which are rather small already, making it even harder to
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--- Comment #6 from Manuel Geißer ---
> Titles can be under windows and icons in windows corner so that they don't
> cover window preview.
That's a good suggestion.
What I just want to prevent is that icons/titles are made as obtrusive as they
were in
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--- Comment #4 from Manuel Geißer ---
> top-right
Whoops, top-left of course. Apparently I've got a right-left weakness :D
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--- Comment #3 from Manuel Geißer ---
> Yes, you can use the Task Manager for that, but you could use the Task
> Manager
> for everything.
No, contrary to the Overview effect, window previews in the task manager are
too small, and you don't have the
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--- Comment #2 from Nate Graham ---
For titles, I can kind of see your point, but icons are a non-negotiable as
they are needed to support the use case I mentioned. Yes, you can use the Task
Manager for that, but you could use the Task Manager for
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