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Justin, can’t reproduce the problem…Art

Be yourself, everyone else is taken.

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--- Comment #14 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
OK I checked with G, and it turns out for whatever reason, some of the mutual
funds I have are no longer listed on their database.  Its a bunch of funds
owned at a single investment cabinet, all my other funds/stocks are updating
fine.

BTW Yahoo is much faster with the proposed config.

On a different but unrelated note, I try to manually update prices for those
that no longer update with online sources.  I select "Manually update price"
from the investment, a window appears, I enter the price then pick a date, then
click OK.  The price doesnt change.

A bug or am I doing something wrong?

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--- Comment #13 from Thomas Baumgart  ---
If somethinks about implementing it, it would make sense to move the actual
work logic into LibAlkimia as it might be of interest for other applications as
well. https://community.kde.org/Alkimia/libalkimia already mentions "Online
Quotes" as one of the areas.

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In my opinion the only easy to use and reliable solution would be to use GHNS
as it has been suggested in bug #259693. That would require some rework of
online quote sources in KMM to support sources versioning and updating. In the
end we would get source of online quotes sources available on the spot,
independently from KMM releases. GHNS would be maintained by KMM developers,
but I think it's possibile for users to create additional content
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--- Comment #11 from bren...@coupeware.com ---
I'm not sure how much a wiki would reduce traffic since many people
might still come here and end up getting a link to the wiki rather
than the specific fix. I guess those of us that are not devs could
lend a hand with easy questions like this.

I would go one step further when things settle down and the devs have
a chance to add features. How about having KMM retrieve the settings
for some or all of the sources for quotes remotely so that changes
only have to be entered on the KMM server once and they propagate to
the clients automatically. This may require major code changes and
needs to be carefully thought out to prevent hackers from taking
advantage of it. Or maybe a plugin that gets updated without having to
upgrade the entire program. I know that this is all happening when the
devs have more important things to do (like help me get KF5 running!).

I agree the situation has gotten pretty pathetic (to be clear, not
KMM's fault) but maybe the Yahoo problem is a one time Verizon caused
problem and this will settle down now. When a LibreOffice extension I
was using to get quotes from Yahoo stopped working I switched to
Google quotes and they died at the same time that the KMM Google fixed
died. This is affecting more than KMM.

Food for thought.


Brendan Coupe


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:06 PM,   wrote:
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> --- Comment #10 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
> Sorry Michael for triggering you so hard.  I was of course not talking about
> KMM.  KMM is a great project and in the past I submitted multiple bug reports
> in hope of making it better.  I have been using it since 2008.
>
> Sorry for the misunderstanding.  The solution you posted for Yahoo worked as I
> pointed out in an earlier comment.  What I failed to do was to personally 
> thank
> you for the solution.  Thank you for the solution, it was a quality solution!
>
> Yes Danny you are correct.  When using the words "pathetic" and "impossible" I
> was referring to the sources (Yahoo, G, Google) which seems to be changing
> constantly.  My suggestion for the Wiki was a genuine one, I feel if the
> sources keep changing like this, it will be a lot easier for everyone to 
> simply
> have a look at the wiki and see if the source settings have changed or not
> instead of posting bug tickets, forum posts, exchange emails with the 
> maillist,
> etc.  Less traffic so to speak.
>
> My 2 cents.
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--- Comment #10 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
Sorry Michael for triggering you so hard.  I was of course not talking about
KMM.  KMM is a great project and in the past I submitted multiple bug reports
in hope of making it better.  I have been using it since 2008.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.  The solution you posted for Yahoo worked as I
pointed out in an earlier comment.  What I failed to do was to personally thank
you for the solution.  Thank you for the solution, it was a quality solution!

Yes Danny you are correct.  When using the words "pathetic" and "impossible" I
was referring to the sources (Yahoo, G, Google) which seems to be changing
constantly.  My suggestion for the Wiki was a genuine one, I feel if the
sources keep changing like this, it will be a lot easier for everyone to simply
have a look at the wiki and see if the source settings have changed or not
instead of posting bug tickets, forum posts, exchange emails with the maillist,
etc.  Less traffic so to speak.

My 2 cents.

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I believe the "pathetic" was aimed at Globe and Mail, not at kmymoney.

The online sources are intended to be accessed by individuals, and not
extracted by software, so they all keep changing things up to stay ahead of not
just kmymoney but anyone trying to harvest data.

There is a wiki https://userbase.kde.org/KMyMoney which I haven't used myself,
but it should be possible for anyone to create a topic there for users to
update methods for various sources.

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--- Comment #8 from Michael Carpino  ---
(In reply to lp.allard.1 from comment #7)
> OK the fix at https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=69=142713=15
> worked for Yahoo!
> 
> Now Globe & mail ceased to work.  Pathetic.  They changed their URL's, they
> used to use numeric identifiers (like theglobeandmail.com/lablabla/12345)
> now they are using theglobeandmail.com/investing/markets/funds/AIM9967.CF/
> 
> Just changing the ticker ID in the investment doesnt work.  They must have
> changed the REGEX as well.
> 
> I STRONGLY recommend the KMM devs implement a REGEX Wiki that will be
> actively maintained for the most popular price sources (google, globe and
> mail, Yahoo, etc).  Once a source stops to work, we could go to the wiki and
> see if something changed.  Right now this is impossible there's info on
> forums, here in multiple tickets, etc...

I find your choice of words, like pathetic & impossible to be inappropriate for
this post.  Have you made any financial contributions to the individuals that
take their personal time to code this software?  Time where they could be doing
other activities (visiting with family & friends, doing personal activities,
etc) If not then maybe you should consider being a little more gracious to
their hard work and the efforts they put in.  This software is free and led by
a volunteer group that should be supported by an understanding, considerate
community. A community that supports each other and shares ideas respectfully
when they are needed and become available.  I personally shared with you a
solution for your needs and frankly next time I'll let someone else volunteer.

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--- Comment #7 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
OK the fix at https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=69=142713=15 worked
for Yahoo!

Now Globe & mail ceased to work.  Pathetic.  They changed their URL's, they
used to use numeric identifiers (like theglobeandmail.com/lablabla/12345) now
they are using theglobeandmail.com/investing/markets/funds/AIM9967.CF/

Just changing the ticker ID in the investment doesnt work.  They must have
changed the REGEX as well.

I STRONGLY recommend the KMM devs implement a REGEX Wiki that will be actively
maintained for the most popular price sources (google, globe and mail, Yahoo,
etc).  Once a source stops to work, we could go to the wiki and see if
something changed.  Right now this is impossible there's info on forums, here
in multiple tickets, etc...

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--- Comment #6 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jack from comment #3)
> (In reply to lp.allard.1 from comment #2: Why are price updates so difficult
> to get working nowadays??)
> 
> There are really two very different parts to that question.  The second is
> whether KMM can update prices if it has an available source for the data.  I
> hope this is not the point of your question, as this is not the reason for
> the problem.
> 
> The first, and critical, question is why is it so hard to find a free,
> reliable source of price update data on the web?  I don't have a good answer
> to this, but without an actual source to point at, KMyMoney doesn't have any
> magic it can use to find price update data.

JAck,  never would imply KMM is badly coded, Ive been a user for 10+ years now
and will likely continue!  Yes I meant why are sources so unreliable?  I  guess
even the big players (Yanoo, Google) are unreliable, and they do what they
want...

Anyways, I'm trying to re-use Yahoo from the forum post available at
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=69=142713=15 from Michael
Carpino, right now I have firewall issues, I will reply once I get it working.

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--- Comment #5 from bren...@coupeware.com ---
It works great for me too. Fastest downloads ever for stock prices.

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> There's a solution using Yahoo for Quotes.  It was posted on March 17th on
> the
> forum.  I started using it yesterday and it works fine.   Here's a link to
> the
> post https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=69=142713=15
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There's a solution using Yahoo for Quotes.  It was posted on March 17th on the
forum.  I started using it yesterday and it works fine.   Here's a link to the
post https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=69=142713=15

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--- Comment #3 from Jack  ---
(In reply to lp.allard.1 from comment #2: Why are price updates so difficult to
get working nowadays??)

There are really two very different parts to that question.  The second is
whether KMM can update prices if it has an available source for the data.  I
hope this is not the point of your question, as this is not the reason for the
problem.

The first, and critical, question is why is it so hard to find a free, reliable
source of price update data on the web?  I don't have a good answer to this,
but without an actual source to point at, KMyMoney doesn't have any magic it
can use to find price update data.

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--- Comment #2 from lp.allar...@gmail.com ---
Same here on 4.7.2 (inux Mint).

Yahoo stopped working a while ago, so I managed to move to Google to retrieve
stock and currency quotes which also seems to have stopped working in the last
little while (was working about 2 or 3 weeks ago I updated the prices back
then).

Now for both stock prices and currency I get

Fetching URL https://finance.google.com/finance?q=GBPCAD...
Unable to update price for GBP > CAD (no price or no date)
Fetching URL https://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:%20TQQQ...
Unable to update price for NASDAQ: TQQQ (no price or no date)

Why are price updates so difficult to get working nowadays??

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--- Comment #1 from akoolw...@gmail.com ---
This was the format of the request & the response:

Fetching URL https://finance.google.com/finance?q=TSE:XEC...
The file or folder https://finance.google.com/search?q=TSE:XEC does not exist.
Unable to update price for TSE:XEC (empty quote data)

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